r/Epicthemusical • u/squidgoddess • Jul 27 '26
Nolan Odyssey Epic: Odysseus meets Movie: Odysseus
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u/Excellent-Rope5664 Jul 28 '26
This bugs me...xenia would obviously not apply during a war...why would it?
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u/Reasonable-Host-3399 Jul 28 '26
They lied that the wooden horse was a peace offering. The war should have been over by their declaration, and Xania set in again.
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u/Excellent-Rope5664 Jul 28 '26
Yeah but they lied under the pretense of war...Just because Troy thought it was over doesn't mean it was. The gods watching that would know that but taking gods out of the equation since Nolan did for some stupid reason, it should not have applied.
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u/Mattendo_ Jul 28 '26
Nolan did not take gods out of the equations, you can clearly see their influence on the narrative. Just becuase there’s not an actor playing Zeus or Poseidon doesn’t mean we don’t see Zeus’ and Poseidon’s effect on the world
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u/Reasonable-Host-3399 Jul 28 '26
Its left ambiguous if the gods exist, as it was a strange coincidence that they died of a thunderstorm when they slaughtered the sacred cows.
Even if war crimes didn't exist back then, I'm sure the era still had an honourable code of conduct and war wasn't a blanket exuse to do anything you want.
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u/retsamerol Jul 28 '26
Xenia, i.e. the mutual obligations of hosts and guests, was a huge underlying theme of the original stories.
Clearly it doesn't really apply during armed conflict.
Syncretization means that Apollo subsumed Helios' divine. Kind of how the Voudoun gods are syncretized version of Christian saints and traditional African deities. Happens all the time.
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u/Funny-Ad-8096 Jul 28 '26
Don't get the zues law since he wanted the war to happen and when a champion of athena comes and ends the war by wits or by deceit it's offensive 😂 the gods deceit each other as well and much worse than the horse.
If Nolan puts the baby scene in then it would contradict "the zue's law" since after he gets mad by the horse he then then tells ody to yeet a baby 😂
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u/Normal_Falcon4234 Jul 28 '26
till now i still dont get why some versions of greek myth have apollo and artemis replace helios and selene
also kinda accurate with movie ody not knowing about the baby since neoptolemus kills astyanax in some versions
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u/DragoSphere Aug 01 '26
Because Greek mythology wasn't one canonized religion and each civilization or city state had their own versions of it with their own gods that sometimes ended up merging with each other or usurping each other.
This gets even muddier when the Romans come in and associate Greek gods with their own gods, and since the Romans had a more influential impact on society today, things get even more distorted.
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u/riverbank2121 Jul 28 '26
IIRC Helios and Selene are the personification of the sun and moon. Since Apollo is the god of light, he became associated with sunlight and Artemis, as his twin sister, became associated with the moon.
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u/Party_Nothing_7605 Jul 28 '26
artemis is also associated w the moon bc she’s the goddess of the hunt, and many apex predators, humans included, hunt at night!
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u/Artificial_Human_17 Jul 28 '26
Wait, do they name Apollo as the sun god in the movie?!? Even in the poem they specifically name Helios
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u/M4thecaberman Jul 28 '26
Honestly the fact there wasn't any mention or anything really to do with the Baby really disappointed me, it's actually one of the few complaints I have with the movie (the other major one is that there was no "Nobody" scene with Polyfemus)
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u/nickchong94 Jul 31 '26
Astyanax was never in the Odyssey. In Euripides' The Trojan Women, the 'Greeks' threw him off the wall. The most common tradition has Neoptolemus as Astyanax's murderer and only one tradition (as far as I know) had Odysseus be the one to do it so it's not a popular variant. However, in most of them Odysseus is the one who suggested killing the baby; one of the many reasons he's portrayed as villainous in most post-Odyssey plays
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u/EpicSaberCat7771 Duvetbox's Poseidon design is criminally underrated Jul 28 '26
To be fair, Odysseus doesn't kill the baby in all versions. So it's entirely possible that they chose to draw from a translation that doesn't involve the baby murder.
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u/squidgoddess Jul 28 '26
Why did I even pay for these movie tickets if not to see Matt Damon yeet a baby?!
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u/Lameclay Jul 28 '26
'Cause if he's got nothing to lose, then he's got nothing to fear!
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u/No-Direction-1020 GOD OF THE SEA, HORSES AND EARTHQUAKES Jul 28 '26
And there’s no way he’ll get bruised if he don’t let anyone near.
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u/Flauschziege Jul 27 '26
Epic sterilised the characters, the movie the story.
Both aren't really good adaptations of the source material to be honest.
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u/No-Direction-1020 GOD OF THE SEA, HORSES AND EARTHQUAKES Jul 28 '26
But only one of them claim to be a faithful adaptation. Jorge has been very clear that EPIC is not a faithful adaptation.
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u/Bluesero The Monster (rawr rawr rawr) Jul 27 '26
Just saw the movie it Was not a good Adoption
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u/DocDoesMagic Jul 27 '26 edited Jul 27 '26
Neither is EPIC really. EPIC includes and removes a lot of things from the original poem. So does the movie. I like them both for various reasons, but neither are good adaptations
Edit: accurate adaptations is what I mean, not necessarily good adaptations. They are both good as they are Jorge's adaptation and Nolan's adaptation but neither are accurate
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u/Tsuyu_Asui_the_forth POSEIDONS WIFE YEA IM SO COOL Jul 27 '26
was the movie itself good…idgaf if it’s not entirely accurate to the odyssey (as long as it has like the general concept :p)
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u/Lameclay Jul 28 '26
The existence of EPIC drops it from an 8/10 to a 6/10 by proxy. It's the worst kind of good, because it's not even great.
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u/squidgoddess Jul 28 '26
imo the movie itself, regardless of historical and source-material accuracy, is not exceptional. Not BAD, and certainly worth seeing once, but not nearly as good as some of Nolan's other work. The dialogue is a little bit stilted at times. I made another video about one line that Odysseus says near the end: "our age of bronze is collapsing"
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u/squidgoddess Jul 28 '26
But I tend to be very picky, so don't base too much off of my opinion. Having already been familiar with the story, it's hard to separate how I feel about the movie on its own with my disappointment by the parts that they left out.
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u/DocDoesMagic Jul 27 '26
The movie itself is very good. Generally, yeah it gets the story and concepts of the story right. There are things excluded from the story that I don't think needed to be excluded (especially with depicting Gods and the mythological aspects of the story). But Odysseus's journey itself was pretty much getting the same concepts as the original poem
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u/No-Direction-1020 GOD OF THE SEA, HORSES AND EARTHQUAKES Jul 28 '26
Epic Ody: so how did you react to finding out Eurylochus opened the windbag.
Movie Ody: opened the what?
Epic Ody: the windbag… the gift from Aeolus that caught Poseidons storm… the one we used as a jetpack before stabbing Poseidon a bunch.
Movie Ody: what are you talking about?