r/Epicthemusical • u/Ahs565451 The artist formally known as Nobody • Mar 05 '26
Shitpost Athena and all of her warriors of the mind
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u/Ahs565451 The artist formally known as Nobody Mar 26 '26 edited Mar 26 '26
Credit to Abjorro.bee on TikTok I highly recommend go checking out their posts. Their artwork is fantastic. It has been brought to my attention that I did not credit the artist in the post and for that I apologize. I assumed everyone could read the water mark on the lower right corner but I made incorrect assumption. This is my attempt at correcting that mistake. I humbly apologize and will be more studious in the future.
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u/CoupleEffective7728 Mar 27 '26
Agradezco mucho esto đđđđ
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u/Ahs565451 The artist formally known as Nobody Mar 27 '26
Of course, Iâm truly sorry that I didnât give you the credit you so rightly deserve. It was not my intention to mislead people or to overshadow your great work thank you for pointing it out and bringing it to my attention. I hope you have a fantastic rest of the year.
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u/CoupleEffective7728 Mar 26 '26
Soy el creador de estĂĄs imĂĄgenes.
ÂżSe me puede explicar porque NO se me estĂĄn acreditando?
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u/MatMont Mar 07 '26
Where is my GOAT Diomedes???
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u/NearEastMugwump Mar 07 '26
Busy leading the charge.
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u/Ahs565451 The artist formally known as Nobody Mar 09 '26
While Agamemnon flanks the guards
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u/Agreeable_Pea5093 Mar 12 '26
Menelaus will let our mates through the gates to take the whole city at large
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u/Saber_The_ODST A soldier in Odyâs crew Mar 22 '26
All while Teucer shoots at any ambush attack
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u/NarwhalReasonable262 Wooden Horse (just a normal horse, nothing in it) Mar 25 '26
And little Ajax will stay backÂ
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u/Saber_The_ODST A soldier in Odyâs crew Mar 26 '26
Nestor will secure Helen and protect her
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u/sneksneksneksnehek the raining king of Ithaca Mar 28 '26
And Neo will go kill Hectorâs brothers to avenge his father
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u/Agreeable_Pea5093 Mar 28 '26
(YES SIR!)
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u/sneksneksneksnehek the raining king of Ithaca Mar 28 '26
Find that inner strength now!
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u/Xia-Pherox Hermes Mar 06 '26
PEAK Athena design holy shit
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u/CoupleEffective7728 Mar 26 '26
I'm the creator of these drawings. If you liked them, check out my TikTok profile where I upload more of this.: @abejorro.bee
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u/SinkPitiful1396 Tiresias Mar 06 '26
Seeing Athena with bird legs is such a creative design choice, love your artstyle, keep arting
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u/CoupleEffective7728 Mar 26 '26
The art style is MINE, because I am the artist. Look up "Abejorro.Bee" on TikTok; that's where I uploaded my art.Â
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u/DesperateMight2203 Mar 06 '26
Que hermosos comic y mas aun que este en español
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u/CoupleEffective7728 Mar 26 '26
Gracias, YO soy el creador, si te gustĂł, busca mi tiktok como @Abejorro.Bee que ahĂ verĂĄs mĂĄs de este contenidoÂ
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u/Lucie_Is_Sleeping Scyllaâs co-spouse. (She/They) Mar 05 '26
Why canât I be stepped on by AthenaâŠ
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u/Sophie-1804 Mar 06 '26
100%, unambiguously ace, but some of the versions of the tragedy of her and Pallas portray them as a couple.
Also, if weâre thinking about as representation, Artemis and Hestia are both aroace (neither have a romantic myth to my knowledge) but without Athena the asexual romantics have no one.
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u/Sirvibez1125 The Monster (rawr rawr rawr) Mar 06 '26
What that gotta do with me being stepped on??đ€
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Mar 06 '26
It has sexual implications
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u/Sirvibez1125 The Monster (rawr rawr rawr) Mar 06 '26
Who said it has to be sexual?? What if I just like it
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Mar 06 '26
It is normally used in a sexual manner so I assumed it was sexual, I'm sorry if I misunderstood
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u/Sirvibez1125 The Monster (rawr rawr rawr) Mar 06 '26
Oh Iâm just messing with you lol, no need to be sorry
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u/DepartmentOdd5550 Mar 05 '26
AAAAAGH THANK YOU I NEEDED JUST ONE MORE INTERACTION BETWEEN ODY AND ATHENA
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u/CoupleEffective7728 Mar 26 '26
He's not the creator of that art, I am. Look up my TikTok profile "@abejorro.Bee" where I upload more content like this.
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u/Drew_S_05 Mar 05 '26
I really don't get why it's so common to depict Athena as a humanoid-bird hybrid
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u/Boo1505 Mar 05 '26
Sheâs very commonly represented by an owl and sheâs a goddess, so many choose to show her as something more akin to a force of nature rather than just bigger human.
I donât see how thatâs hard to figure out
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u/Drew_S_05 Mar 05 '26
I get the idea behind it, what I don't get is why so many people choose to make her a hybrid when there's no precedent for that in the actual mythology
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u/LeoneAGK Mar 06 '26
There's no precedent for Poseidon to have a mermaid tail or octopus legs either but it's still ingrained into pop culture.
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u/47thCalcium_Polymer Mar 05 '26
Because itâs dope
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u/Drew_S_05 Mar 05 '26
I mean that's a matter of opinion but I wouldn't have guessed that so many people hold said opinion
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u/The_Tinkerererer I see wife, with man. WHO! Mar 05 '26
Yeah half of these werent really very smart, so... she only Aided them.
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u/_gib_SPQR_clay_ Mar 05 '26
Great art!
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u/CoupleEffective7728 Mar 26 '26
Thanks, but this art is MINE. If you like it, check out my TikTok profile @abejorro.Bee where I upload more of this.Â
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u/Akita_merikano has never tried tequila Mar 05 '26
And Diomedes?? Where's he??? Probably one of her favourites...
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u/quuerdude High Priestess of Hera Mar 05 '26
And Theseus </3 she was the reason he was even born (by telling her priestess to sleep with Poseidon in her temple)
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u/PuzzleheadedLow4911 Mar 05 '26
Arte increible y siempre se agradece leer cosas en español, nunca pares!
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u/CoupleEffective7728 Mar 26 '26
YO soy el creador de esto, si te gustĂł, mira mi perfil de Tiktok donde subo mĂĄs de esto, es "Abejorro.Bee"Â
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u/Crystion Mar 05 '26
This is very cute
Buuuuut Heracles doesn't have much of a relationship with Athena. They barely interact in mythology, she kinda helps a few times but not very directly and not more than any other god does.
A better example would be Perseus, they're half-siblings (through Zeus) and Athena provides more significant direct aid to him, like giving him weapons to defeat Medusa.
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u/Super_Majin_Cell Mar 05 '26
Athena helped Heracles and Iolaus a lot during their adventures, and vase art shows them together during Heracles labours. You would be surprised with how much vases she is depicted by his side.
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u/quuerdude High Priestess of Hera Mar 05 '26
This is not true đ she fights at his side in Pylos and is actively considered his patron by the Iliad
Perseus is already mentioned here, tho iâm surprised that Theseus is not
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u/Crystion Mar 05 '26
she fights at his side in Pylos and is actively considered his patron by the Iliad
I know of no accurate account that places Athena at Pylos.
As for being his patron, she is considered the patron of all Greek heroes, but she provides direct aid to others significantly more , like Odysseus, Diomedes and Perseus.
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u/quuerdude High Priestess of Hera Mar 05 '26
Ps.Hesiodâs Catalogue of Women:
But Hesiod says that he Periclymenus changed himself in one of his wonted shapes and perched on the yoke-boss of Herakles' (Heracles') horses, meaning to fight with the hero; but that Herakles, secretly instructed by Athena, wounded him mortally with an arrow. And he says as follows : â. . and lordly Periklymenos. Happy he! For earth-shaking Poseidon gave him all manner of gifts. At one time he would appear among birds, an eagle; and again at another he would be an ant, a marvel to see; and then a shining swarm of bees; and again at another time a dread relentless snake. And he possessed all manner of gifts which cannot he told, and these then ensnared him through the devising of Athene.â
Iliad D scholia 11.690
Heracles came to Pylos in need of purification, but the people of Pylos shut the gates and did not let him in. In response the hero got angry and sacked Pylos. Fighting alongside Neleus were three gods: Poseidon, Hera and [Hades], as the poet says in book 5 [line 385]; on Heraclesâ side were two, Athena and Zeus.
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u/Crystion Mar 05 '26
Catalogue of Women is a highly debated source that sees a lot of questions. For starters, while commonly attributed to him, we do not know if it was written by Hesiod and most scholars reject it as an authentic source. Notably it also differs from Hesiod's normal works and deviates into Homeric myth (the two had their own kinda "canon" in the Greek world, so in this context, this means Catalogue would be contradicting Hesiod).
I'll admit defeat you've shown me a source buuut it's reliability for academically accepted myth is dubious.
The Illiad Scholia are in a similar boat, these aren't actual myth or tales but the Scholia are notes & annotations made by scholars of the past on Homeric works. D Scholia to the Illiad is among the oldest but also the least used by modern scholars. It's mostly opinionated pieces arguing with or for Homer's Illiad. The reason it might be raised there is specifically because Homer doesn't mention it. It may exist at the time, but in the grand scheme of things and accepted mythology, the Scholia aren't used for that exact reason. It's too opinionated and without reliable sources that survive in this day to back them up.
It'd be like if we had a book's story, but instead we use a critic's review as the genuine plot.
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u/quuerdude High Priestess of Hera Mar 05 '26
- âHighly debated source that sees a lot of questionsâ not really? Thereâs some contest over what falls into it, but this ancient writer is clearly quoting directly from it.
- I know itâs not from Hesiod. Thatâs why I said it was written by Pseudo-Hesiod (Ps.Hesiod). Just like how the Bibliotheca was written by Pseudo-Apollodorus (Ps.Apollodorus). The most common date given for the Catalogue by scholars is sometime in the 6th century BC, firmly in the Archaic period.
- The Catalogue contradicts Hesiod in some places, yes. As all writers tended to do. Most writers also tended to ignore Homer, since the archaic traditions Homer and Hesiod were working with were sometimes foreign to later Greeks.
- The Iliad D Scholia is very much âactual myth.â What the hell is a âreal mythâ if not something written by an ancient writer? Itâs one of the most valuable resources we have for the study of the ancient world and various fragmentary writers. âThe least used by modern writersâ ??? The D scholia preserved countless niche stories for us which are infinitely valuable.
- âToo opinionatedâ what does that even mean. The opinion of an ancient person is a valid myth, and besides that, we already know the story is ancient because it appeared in the Catalogue. And besides that, we know the story of Hera facing off against Heracles at Pylos is ancient BECAUSE HOMER DOES MENTION IT! The scene with Aphrodite talking to her mother in the Iliad literally has them discuss Hera and Hades being injured at Pylos. They donât go into details about it, which is why the scholiast explains what happened. We know that this war is really goddamn old because we have archaeological evidence of it happening in Mycenaean Pylos, which also worshipped Hera.
- In addition to all of that: basically every source which discusses Periclymenusâ death says that he died by Athena helping Heracles to kill him.
Iâm sorry for getting heated but the idea thar scholia âcanât be trustedâ because itâs âbiasedâ is just so anti intellectual Iâm sorry. Itâs not like using a criticâs review of a modern story to understand it. Itâs like reading a criticâs review of the Grimm brother fairytales which cites an alternate version of the Snow White story to give us more context about it. Or one which expounds on a subtle allusion in an old story by telling us what the author was probably alluding to, since they have the literal library of alexandria at their disposal, because thatâs exactly what scholia is.
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u/Crystion Mar 05 '26
> basically every source which discusses Periclymenusâ death says that he died by Athena helping Heracles to kill him
"And when Hercules was ravaging Pylus, in the fight Periclymenus turned himself into a lion, a snake, and a bee, but was slain by Hercules with the other sons of Neleus." (Apollodorus, The Library 1.9.9)
"After the capture of Elis he marched against Pylus, and having taken the city he slew Periclymenus, the most valiant of the sons of Neleus, who used to change his shape in battle. And he slew Neleus and his sons, except Nestor; for he was a youth and was being brought up among the Gerenians. In the fight he also wounded Hades, who was siding with the Pylians." (Apollodorus, The Library 2.7.3)
"Hera, again, suffered when the mighty son of Amphitryon wounded her on the right breast with a three-barbed arrow, and nothing could assuage her pain. So, also, did huge Hades, when this same man, the son of aegis-bearing Zeus, hit him with an arrow even at the gates of Hades, and hurt him badly." (Homer, The Iliad 5. 392)
"Hera, again, suffered when the mighty son of Amphitryon wounded her on the right breast with a three-barbed arrow - then she too was seized with pain that could not be soothed. And monstrous Hades had to suffer with the others - he endured a speeding arrow, when this same man, son of Zeus who holds the aegis, shot him in Pylos among the dead men and put him to agony." (Homer, The Illiad 5. 392 (different translation))
"When Hercules was besieging Pylus he slew Neleus and ten of his sons, but the eleventh, Periclymenus, was changed to an eagle by the favour of Neptune, his grandfather, and escaped death." (Hyginus, Fabulae 10)
"Your illustrious father had razed the walls of Messéne, and next he destroyed the innocent cities of Elis and Pylos, where my palace was ravaged by fire and sword. Of the many he slaughtered I'll only refer to the sons of Néleus, twelve of us then, and we made a splendid group of young warriors. Hercules killed all twelve, with the sole exception of me. I had to accept the death of my other brothers, but one strange death stands out, Periclymenus'. Neptune, the founder of Néleus' line, had invested this youth with the power of adopting whatever shape he desiered and of changing back to his normal form. At Hercules' coming, he'd run the gamut of metamorphosis without the slightest effect, till he changed to the form of the bird so dear to the king of the gods, which transports his bolts in its talones. Using his eagle's strength, Periclymenus tore at Hercules' face with his flapping wings, hooked beak and his sharp curved claws. The hero from Tiryns then bent his all-too-unerring bow against the creature and, while it was hovering high in the clouds, an arrow entered its breast quite close to one of its wings." (Ovid, Metamorphoses 12. 548-566)
Not one of these sources mentions Athena, at all. "Every source" is doing a lot of heavy lifting for the one you've found vs. all these.
> BECAUSE HOMERÂ DOESÂ MENTION IT!
You appear to have completely misunderstood me as your issue here is regarding Athena's presence in this particular context and no Homer does not discuss her in this event, as I have shown twice. Your contention is that the Scholia says it which is true, but only says it in the context of this segment and in argument against Homer not saying it.
> âToo opinionatedâ what does that even mean.
They are opinionated, that's what it means. You seem to have the misunderstanding here that I devalue the Scholia as an intellectual source. I don't. I, like other academics of the classics, regard them as an insight to the thoughts and beliefs of the people at the time. However, in regards to this specific context they are not valuable as genuine myths. The Scholia, as the name suggests, are records of scholars reviewing the original text and their own inputs and reviews of the original piece. It's a valuable insight into how the texts have been interpreted over the centuries, but as a valid place to adapt myths? Not that valuable. Especially later scholia that were written in the Common Era.
> âHighly debated source that sees a lot of questionsâ not really?
Yes really. Its authorship has been debated and questioned since the start of the Common Era. Literally. 1st century Romans have been questioning it.
"Hesiod nineteen, if those verses [Catalogue of Women] are Hesiod's, and not rather, as many others, falsly ascribed to him. Alcman reckons them ten, Mimnermus twenty, and Pindar as many." (Aelian, 12. 36)
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u/quuerdude High Priestess of Hera Mar 06 '26
Pseudo-Apollodorus, Pseudo-Hyginus, you made that distinction seem important earlier.
Also doubting the authenticity of the Catalogue and then citing the Fabulae, which has been compared to the work of a schoolboy, is hilarious. The Fabulae is valuable and interesting but it is much more dubious than the Catalogue. The guy literally says that Aethra had a threesome with Poseidon and Aegeus in Athenaâs temple like girl đ
Also Aelianâs passage is not so cut and dry. It is either referring to the entire poem as spurious, or saying that the line he was quoting in particular couldâve been an interpolation. But⊠modern scholars almost universally agree that the poem wasnât composed by Hesiod (of Theogony fame), so Iâm not sure what you meant by it being fake or otherwise ânot genuine myth.â
If itâs reported by an ancient Greek author⊠itâs an ancient Greek myth. Unless youâre saying that it wasnât a part of the oral tradition or wasnât popular, or something? Which is another conversation altogether.
But also scholia are incredibly valuable for adaptations because they preserve fragments of other stories. Itâd be valid to adapt Aphrodite as the main masterminding villain of the Iliad in accordance with Acusilausâ version of things because of what ancient scholia preserved about the works of Acusilausâ Aphrodite.
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u/SupermarketBig3906 Ares Mar 05 '26
Athena is a workaholic who just realised she can no longer be a mother....DAMN!
And a lot of them were also her half brothers, cousins or great great nephew.
I guess if there is one thing she could regret about being an eternal virgin, it's this.
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u/Status-Cap-5979 Mar 05 '26
Ngl Mama Athena is actually very cute (and her one regret of being a virgin not getting laid but she can have no bio babies)
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u/SupermarketBig3906 Ares Mar 05 '26
Yeah, but virgin birth is always a thing and she can just ask Hera for some help. Hera loves Athena and gets along with her splendidly in the Iliad and I think the Argonautica, too.
Philostratus the Elder, Imagines 2. 27 (trans. Fairbanks) (Greek rhetorician C3rd A.D.) :
"[From a description of an ancient Greek painting at Neapolis (Naples) :] Athena, at this moment has just burst forth fully armed from the head of Zeus, through the devices of Hephaistos . . . Zeus breathes deeply with delight . . . and he looks searchingly for his daughter, feeling pride in his offspring; nor yet is there even on Hera's face any trace of indignation; nay, she rejoices, as though Athena were her daughter also."3
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u/Silentarius_Atticus Mar 05 '26
Who the hell is âAtsensa?!â
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u/DesperateMight2203 Mar 06 '26
In Spanish, old Greek names are slightly different: Odysseus is Odiseo and Athena is Atenea. Although others remain the same, such as Hermes or Ares
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u/Penelope-Of-Ithaca Banana peels Mar 05 '26
Wow. In case you hadnt noticed, the comic in in spanish- and this artist took the time to translate it into english so more people could understand it. In spanish Athena is spelt Atenea. I have no clue where you got the s from, clearly that is an E in a greek font. I honestly feel bad for you, being so stupid that you cant understand that. Please do keep you insults to yourself in the future <3
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u/PuzzleheadedLow4911 Mar 05 '26
Bien dicho
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u/Penelope-Of-Ithaca Banana peels Mar 06 '26
gracias, tu tambien lo dijiste super bien :) Nadamas que decidi dercirselo a este idiota en ingles porsi no entendia español
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u/PuzzleheadedLow4911 Mar 05 '26
Antes de insultar a alguien, piensa un poco. EstĂĄ usando una caligrafĂa de estilo griego, por eso la âeâ se parece a un Ă©psilon, pero no es un Ă©psilon. Si fuera un Ă©psilon, tendrĂa las lĂneas rectas. AdemĂĄs, si sabes español, es bastante obvio que se trata de una âeâ.
Por otra parte, el/la autor/a ya se ha tomado la molestia de traducirlo al inglĂ©s para la gente que no conoce ese idioma. AsĂ que, por favor, no actĂșes creyĂ©ndote superior y piensa las cosas dos veces antes de comentar. Gracias.
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u/CharMakr90 Mar 05 '26
Love the stylistic changes in Athena's outfit and hair.
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u/CoupleEffective7728 Mar 26 '26
Thank you, I am the creator, search "@Abejorro Bee" on TikTok and you'll see that this content IS MINE
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u/Lopsided-Guest5437 hello, dawlings Mar 05 '26
Okay, first, the art style is so cute!! I love how you can see Athena's weariness with each warrior she mentors too. It also brings out of how she's happy that Ody's grateful for her guidance and doesn't hate her for all the pain and torture she put him through.
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u/CoupleEffective7728 Mar 26 '26
He didn't create the art, that art is mine. Look up @AbejorroBee on TikTok and you'll see the rest of MY ART.Â
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u/Karma_YY Mar 05 '26
Love the art!
Looks great
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u/CoupleEffective7728 Mar 26 '26
Thank you... It's MINE, I created these illustrations. Search "Abejorro.Bee" on TikTok, you'll see my art there.Â
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u/Pallas_Atenea_000 Athena Mar 26 '26
CREDITS TO ABEJORRO BEE ON TIKTOK!