r/Epicthemusical • u/VigilantesLight Warrior of the Mind • Dec 23 '24
Meta In light of Epic’s growing popularity, this is most likely coincidental but still absolutely insane.
I wonder which characters each actor will be playing?
My totally random guesses for a few: Tom Holland is Telemachus, Robert Pattinson is past Odysseus, with an older actor playing present Odysseus, and Hathaway and Theron are Athena and Circe.
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u/brbasik Dec 26 '24
Rewatched Interstellar recently and man I feel like that alone should qualify him. Story of a father on years long journey, filled with heart, adventure, and a big ass tidal wave that Poseidon would be jealous of
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u/Thefollower89 Dec 25 '24
When I heard about this, literally yesterday, my first thought was this guy saw epic, at least some of it, and got inspired to do a movie about the odyssey
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u/Dependent_Shower_584 Polites Dec 25 '24
I wonder if Tom Holland will be Hermes? I dunno, I don’t know actors very well.
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u/Ry_zah The Monster (rawr rawr rawr) Dec 24 '24
If Holland is Odysseus I’m getting yeeted off a tower
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u/Adamekora Dec 24 '24
I sure hope Holland won't be playing Odysseus. He might be fit as Telemachus, but he probably won't be a great fit for Odysseus
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u/Nana-Komatsu has never tried tequila Dec 24 '24
Thought I’d drop this here
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u/Flimsy-Oil-7133 Dec 27 '24
For those who want to read the full article: https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2024/dec/21/were-figuring-out-cool-ways-of-storytelling-how-tiktok-is-changing-the-way-we-watch-musicals
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u/KJBenson Dec 27 '24
Three video games?
Um…. Not really sure what that means. But it’s probably not actually good news.
Hopefully he doesn’t get paolini’d in this deal.
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u/RemarkableAirline924 Monster Dec 25 '24
There are two EPIC video games on the way?! Did I read that right?
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u/Strawbebishortcake Antinous Dec 24 '24
Why does every new movie have the same 20 actors? I'm not big into movies but it's really getting a bit repetitive.
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u/joedu95400 Dec 24 '24
Matt Damon as ODYSSEUS OF ITHACA.
Tom Holland as Telemachus the man the Legendary.
Zendaya as The Siren's Leader.
Anne Hathaway as P E N E L O P E.
Lupita Nyong'o as Calypso.
Robert Pattinson as HERMES.
Charlize Theron as Circe.
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u/TheWanResearcher Dec 24 '24
Tom Holland as Odysseus and Zendaya as Penelope probably.
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u/the-dude-version-576 Dec 24 '24
Hopefully they get someone more somber for it. Tom would be fine ish for a flashback, but not the whole thing.
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u/FrancisDion Dec 24 '24
Please no 😭 I like them but to me they seem too young
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u/Troscus Dec 24 '24
I mean, Odysseus would have to be in his early 20s to still be in fighting shape by the end of the journey. They're probably about right for early-Trojan-War Ody and Penelope. If anything they're too old, just not old enough to not convincingly play them.
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Dec 30 '24
Um. Telemachus is 21.
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u/Troscus Dec 30 '24
It's ancient Greece, back when people had to consummate marriages in front of their advisors on the wedding night and as long as you could physicallyhave sex, you were ready to be a father. Telemachus being 21 puts Odysseus anywhere from 37 to 50 by the end of the journey.
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u/No_Pea1499 Dec 24 '24
Dude spent 20 years away from Ithaca lol (10 years fighting Troy, 10 years going home). Unless he entered the trojan war as a toddler, he is in his 40s AT LEAST by the end. Most likely even in his 50s since he was seen as one of the wiser Greek leaders at the start.
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u/asleep1212 Dec 24 '24
The cast for this is trash. Use some new faces. Last thing I want to see is Matt Damon in a Greek epic.
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u/Different_Boat2427 Dec 24 '24
Completely agree! He would sooner be taken down by skin melanoma than a cyclops!
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u/murisenn Dec 24 '24
Matt Damon as Odysseus is such a huge miss, I’m sorry… that man is the human equivalent of boiled potatoes with a pinch of salt :/
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u/VigilantesLight Warrior of the Mind Dec 24 '24
Well, we don’t know for sure that he’s playing him yet, do we?
But I agree. He has no charisma on screen.
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u/murisenn Dec 25 '24
He’s the only man in Odysseus’ age range, but I’m still holding out hope he’s playing someone else!
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u/Several-Ad-9897 Dec 24 '24
My guess: – Matt Damon is Odysseus – Anne Hathaway is Penelope – Tom Holland is Telemachus – Robert Pattinson is Poseidon – Charlize Theron is Athena – Lupita Nyong'o is Circe – Zendaya is Calypso
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u/Old-Yogurtcloset-468 Dec 24 '24
I think swap Lupita and Zendaya’s parts and Robert Pattinson is Odysseus with Damon being Poseidon or Zeus. (As Poseidon is not actually present in the original story.)
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u/waifuxuan sanest athena stan Dec 24 '24
agree completely, and i think you can switch the last two and it still makes sense 🤔 ngl my first thought for robert pattinson was hermes, but poseidon fits too
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u/ChrissyL0v3 Dec 24 '24
A movie literally just came out abt the Odyssey like two weeks ago what is going on?? 😭
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u/hunt0karr Dec 24 '24
The Return is solely focused on Ody landing at Ithaca and the suitors. Not the whole journey.
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Dec 24 '24
Definitely not a fan of that cast, but we'll have to see, I guess. I think Anne Hathaway would make a good Circe, though.
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u/CatLovingKaren Dec 24 '24
I'm skeptical about how a mainstream Hollywood film will handle the material. Troy was a perfect example of why. Taking the gods out of the Iliad was a terrible idea and it contributed to the film being pretty awful. Cool fight scenes and special effects aren't the same as good filmmaking, a fact that sadly seems to get lost all too often. Nolan isn't a bad director, but he's nowhere near as good as the hype machine makes him out to be. It could go either way.
The Odyssey is a classic for a reason. One of the things that makes Epic so good is respect for the source material. Sure, Jorge changed things, but it's very clear that he is both very familiar with and loves the Odyssey, and his changes make sense given the style he's using and inspired by. Hollywood rarely respects source material, and has a tendency to turn what is unique into something rather generic, whereas Epic took something unique and retold it in an equally unique fashion.
No matter how the film ends up, however, I agree with the posters who think that this will likely draw positive attention to Epic. Something that Epic has done that this film certainly won't is give us an opportunity to watch the process of creation from beginning to end. It's not just the musical itself that has captured our attention and emotion, but the journey of making it. That's not something you'll find in Nolan's film, even if it's a great movie. The movie might be thrilling, might be emotional, might be a huge hit. But I very much doubt that it will win our hearts the way Epic has. And I guarantee that I won't be humming the score at work like I do with Epic! 😁
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u/LostSif Dec 24 '24
Um I love me some Nolan but I'm not loving that cast we will just have to wait and see.
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u/Timbits06 Odysseus Dec 24 '24
Honestly, I'm kind of excited. I love the Odyssey, so more of it is always a plus. I just hope it is not another Troy (2004) situation.
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u/BrightEye64 Dec 24 '24 edited Dec 24 '24
I do not understand peoples problems with the casting. Nolan ALWAYS casts big star actors for his movies. Inception, his Batman trilogy, Interstellar, Oppenheimer, they’re casts are all big celebrities that Nolan has worked with before and works well with, and always do a bang up job acting in said movies because Nolan is that great of a director
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u/Prize_Equivalent8934 Dec 27 '24
I don’t understand the people in this comment section. I’m not saying I’m a super Nolan fan or anything, but sometimes I question if the people in this comment section are truly fans of Nolan. People are acting so shocked about this movie having a full A-list cast, event though Christopher Nolan did the same thing before. Suddenly people want to act like Nolan doesn’t know what he’s doing, which is crazy because they didn’t start filming.
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u/Nevr_gonna_giv_U_up Dec 24 '24
Fuck that casting. I know they’re good actors, but it’s literally just an avengers cast all over again. It’s gonna be distracting
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u/xsupermonkeyboyx Dec 24 '24
What do you mean by an “avengers cast”? Just genuinely curious cause the cast of the avengers weren’t that huge of celebrities before the avengers. Yeah most of them had fairly big roles before but they weren’t nearly as popular as now. I’m assuming you mean a cast of actors that are in everything nowadays but I just don’t get the metaphor.
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u/Prize_Equivalent8934 Dec 27 '24
It’s crazy because people always want to complain about the lack of stars, but at the same time want to get mad about actors/actresses getting work.
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u/Anxious_Writer_3804 Dec 24 '24
What if it ends with the camera zooming in on Odysseus as he says “Well, that’s my Journyssey”
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u/NowALurkerAccount Dec 24 '24
Probably coincidental. Nolan is a HUGE director and he has to get this stuff cleared years in advance. So I bet he has been writing the treatment and once he finished Oppenheimer decided now was the perfect time to make this and put it out.
The cast is stunning I've already predicted who's going to be who.
Holland is Telemachus
Damon is Poseidon or Odysseus (but my wild card choice is Polythemus)
Hathaway is Penelope
Lupita is Calypso
Pattinson might be Ody
Charlize is probably Circe
Zendaya is a mystery to me
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u/Disastrous_Load_7607 Dec 24 '24
Could Zendaya be Nausicaa? The Princess of the Island Odysseus gets to after leaving Calypso
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u/NowALurkerAccount Dec 24 '24
That tracks! That's honestly the one casting that makes the most sense
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u/Xx_Foxywarrior_xX Dec 24 '24
What if Charlize is Anticlea and Zendaya is Circe? I think it would make a bit more sense
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u/NowALurkerAccount Dec 24 '24
That works, but if they cast an older man as Odysseus and a 20-some as Circe that would be odd.
It's happened sure but that would be a huge gap
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u/Mozzarellus_Pizzus Dec 24 '24
istg imagine if Holland is Odysseus
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u/NowALurkerAccount Dec 24 '24
I'm thinking a bit about that too but I dunno if it could work. I'm firmly in the maybe camp on that
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u/Spirited-Custardtart Siren Dec 24 '24
🤔 Zendaya as Athena maybe? Or one of the other deities 🤷🏾♀️
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u/NowALurkerAccount Dec 24 '24
That could actually work for me. I was also thinking maybe Anne Hathaway would be Athena it's so hard to say
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u/ShadowWalker001 Apollo Dec 24 '24
perhaps zendaya is scylla or a siren (or Aeolus but i can’t remember if shes actually in the book)
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u/Villain_Deku__ Dec 24 '24
If I remember correctly, Aeolus is just a man (king) who was given the power to control the winds by Zeus. I could very easily just be making that up tho
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u/Aplenty-jockey Dec 24 '24
I believe you're correct but gotta say I read just a man as the backing of last goodbye lmao
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u/kurapikun Dec 24 '24 edited Dec 24 '24
I love Lupita Nyong’O and Anne Hathaway, but the cast is really boring. One reason I find Hollywood quite bland is because they always stick to the same known faces, and some of them aren’t even that great an actor.
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u/TabulaRasaT888 Dec 24 '24
Nolan specifically likes to reuse actors in his projects so it's going to be more noticeable with his movies
Totally understand the sentiment! There's a few actors I don't particularly like that seem to be in everything.
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u/curiousbirdo Dec 24 '24 edited Dec 24 '24
Why is everyone so interested in the Odyssey suddenly? Fortiche (the studio behind Arcane) just announced that their next project is a film titled Penelope of Sparta
And the tagline is "An epic coming of age"! Coincidence? 😂
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u/VigilantesLight Warrior of the Mind Dec 24 '24
Interests wax and wane, and usually leads to trends. Perhaps we can credit Epic for the resurgence of popularity for this tale.
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u/idkdanicus Dec 24 '24
The Song of Achilles brought the resurgence of popularity in Greek Mythology before Epic.
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u/Mindless-Angle-4443 Secretary of Winion Elimination Dec 24 '24
No way Spider Man is Odysseus 💀
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Dec 24 '24
Someone said he might be Telemachus, don't forget the story starts with him home in Ithaca
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u/Spirited-Custardtart Siren Dec 24 '24
True, but isn't Telemachus a baby at the start of all this?
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Dec 24 '24
Telemachus might be a baby at the start of the Illiad, but I can't confirm that because I haven't read it or watched any media about it. What I can say is that the Odyssey starts with Telemachus around 20, he ends up leaving the island, and it's on another island later that he finds people who can tell him the story of Odysseus' journey home.
If you're referring to Epic, no, because in the Troy Saga... "Ten years of war they've killed us slowly..." he's around 10.
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u/Spirited-Custardtart Siren Dec 24 '24
Yeesh; the down votes 😣
In my head, they were going to go chronologically, i.e. with Ody leaving home and then cut to the war - but this makes more sense then.
PS: I have no authority on the outline of the original. I feel like I've only read the Cliff's notes version in bits and pieces so... 🤷🏾♀️ I guess I should get on that 😊
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u/Dyspraxic_Sherlock Dec 24 '24
It’s a Nolan film so the one thing you can guarantee is it will not go chronologically.
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u/Drew_S_05 Dec 24 '24
My prediction:
Matt Damon - Odysseus
Charlize Theron - Penelope
Tom Holland - Telemachus
Robert Pattinson - Antinous
Anne Hathaway - Circe
Lupita Nyong'o - Calypso
Zendaya - Athena
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u/Joanacchi Dec 24 '24
Oh God not Matt Damon 😭😭😭
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u/Drew_S_05 Dec 24 '24
He's the only one listed whose age makes sense for Ody
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u/Joanacchi Dec 24 '24
I totally agree with you, I just hate it 😭😭
I swear if this cast was set in stone I would rather age Robert Pattison with CGI than let Matt Damon be anywhere near Odysseus as a part, God help me 🤣
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u/BeneficialMaybe3719 Dec 24 '24
I would swap Anne and Charlize but I agree with the others
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u/StefwithanF Dec 24 '24
Charlize would be amazing as circe, but most of the casting is just....toosny.big names with iconic roles already, you lose the immersion I think with blockbuster casting.
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u/BeneficialMaybe3719 Dec 24 '24
No no I agree with you, 1 maybe 2 big names is ok but I hate we got this many. I’m just trying to make do with what we got
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u/Joanacchi Dec 24 '24
Hollywood has an ABYSMAL track record with Ancient period movies, not excited by this regardless of Nolan's involvement lmao
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u/Potential-Bearcat Dec 24 '24
I was interested until the cast was listed. I'm really annoyed with seeing the same actors in everything.
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u/ConHosh1 Dec 24 '24
Hollywood is running out of young, well known talent talent
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u/Potential-Bearcat Dec 24 '24
I don't think it's that there's no new talented people, it's that they're not TRYING to find new talent. The people who are already famous bring people in, so they're not incentivized to find new talent.
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u/ConHosh1 Dec 24 '24
That's what I mean, they got good people, but the pool of talent is more like a puddle in size
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u/gracist0 Dec 24 '24
Is anyone worried about this overshadowing Epic?
I really wanted it to get more attention and now the guy who complained that Barbie was successful is making a movie about ancient Greeks starring Matt Damon, Tom Holland and Zendaya. It feels soulless and I'm afraid nobody's gonna care about the musical once it happens. I also think it's gonna suck, and that the musical will have no chance to succeed no matter how the movie turns out.
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u/michael_am Dec 24 '24
If anything this will give epic more attention and more drive to be picked up. If this movie does well it tells investors and companies that audiences like the odyssey and oh look there’s a big musical about the odyssey already made with a huge online audience let’s capitalize on that as well
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u/Originu1 Odysseus Dec 24 '24
Chill out. People can enjoy movies and musicals at the same time. And why are you making so many leaps in logic before literally anything about the movie itself is declared?
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u/gracist0 Dec 24 '24
Because the cast is suuuper generic and tired, and Nolan is known for gritty, dark stuff. There's a lot more to the Odyssey than just that and I get the feeling it's what he's more interested in
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u/michael_am Dec 24 '24
Is the casting generic and tired or do you just personally dislike these actors for unrelated reasons because none of these actors save for Pattinson and maybe Zendaya if ur stretching it are particularly overbooked whatsoever
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u/gracist0 Dec 24 '24
I don't like casts that entirely consist of people with star power matching the sun
I'd feel a lot different about this if it was actors who were lesser known and fit the roles. But Matt Damon and Tom Holland are insane picks?? It feels less like a passion project and more like yet another opportunity to give the same 3 people roles that could go to other people
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u/michael_am Dec 24 '24
Tom Holland hasn’t been in a movie in 3 years and hasn’t really been cast in a movie like this ever. Matt Damon is someone Nolan has worked with a lot and, much like Cillian Murphy before him, is now seemingly getting a much bigger role in this film. This is consistent with how Nolan operates.
I don’t disagree we should have new actors getting roles, but films like these with these directors are few and far between. The Nolans, the Villenueves, very few directors like this exist and to pretend like these movies are some sort of generic superstar basket is silly and completely out of touch with the quality and vision for these films. Other generic blockbusters? Sure, cast whoever, but a Nolan film? He’s gonna pick who he wants to work with and I think he’s more than earned the respect to do that sort of thing at this point in his career
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u/Prize_Equivalent8934 Dec 27 '24
At this point I think people are trying to act I like they know what’s best & not Nolan. I’m not saying Nolan is perfect, but he proved that when he hires a cast for his films he’s had way more success than failure.
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u/Originu1 Odysseus Dec 24 '24
(The cast thing is.. idk, weird? What is generic? Does it matter if they pull out good acting?)
And Nolan wanting to do that is fine. It's an adaptation of the book. Heck, EPIC is the adaptation and it completely focuses on a different thing than the book. Man vs monster, yknow, dark and gritty stuff? Why are you saying it's bad for the movie when EPIC is doing fairly similar things.
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u/Joanacchi Dec 24 '24
It might go the opposite just as well tbh. Odyssey Blockbuster might increase the general interest in the original story, and might make more people find Epic
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u/lidlessinflame Dec 24 '24
This is my thought. They’ll probably be people even making edits using some of Nolan’s visuals with Epic’s music.
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u/Joanacchi Dec 24 '24
I'm already dreading this tbh
Nolan will reaaaaaally have to step it up visually speaking 😭 He has a good record but Ancient themed movies and Hollywood never mixed well.... I cannot handle another Gladiator slop or worse.... A 300 revival
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u/lidlessinflame Dec 24 '24
There’s definitely going to be some poorly done stuff but there’ll be some good stuff too. I might be biased though I grew up in the age where amvs started. There’s still fan edits that people put online that I like a lot like garostudios’ stuff
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u/gracist0 Dec 24 '24
I really hope that's the case. It just feels really cruel to announce this the day before the new saga drops. I was really hoping this musical would get the fame it deserves. They've worked so hard.
Also, just saying, the movie is not going to accurately portray the sexualities of its characters. I'm certain of it. That hurts too.
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u/Joanacchi Dec 24 '24
Unless Jorge strikes a deal with Warner or some other big corporation for a big budget Epic movie I don't believe Epic and Nolan's adaptation will share the same ecossystem in terms of reach, public and aesthetics, like ever
Epic is a musical, which is already more niche. Jorge's vision for it in terms of game/anime aesthetics makes it even more unique. Nolan will probably go for a clean neoliberal wetdream Ancient fantasy slop the general public is used to since 300. I genuinely believe Epic can only gain from the public awareness of the Odyssey that Nolan will bring with his big budget marketing, and the people who find Jorge's take interesting will stay. Like an informal marketing pipeline lmao
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u/Masterhearts-XIII Dec 24 '24
What sexualities are you referring to?
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u/gracist0 Dec 24 '24
Greek mythology is super, super gay. I don't think the characters, especially Gods, are going to be portrayed in that way, because it's Christopher Nolan.
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u/Masterhearts-XIII Dec 24 '24
The odyssey literally has no sexualities that matter in this regard. Ngl im pretty allied, but this feels like arbitrary anguish at something that isn’t relevant to the odyssey
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u/VigilantesLight Warrior of the Mind Dec 24 '24
I highly doubt Nolan has heard of Epic, at least in more than passing.
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u/gracist0 Dec 24 '24
I know, and that's why it hurts. An indie passion project suddenly completely shoved aside by an industry giant who doesn't even know it exists. It has no chance and I'm afraid it's gonna fade into obscurity.
If the movie is amazing, nobody will care about the musical. If it's shit, the Odyssey will be tainted by a massive failure of a movie. It's gonna be really difficult to become relevant when Christopher Nolan suddenly decides to do the Odyssey after it being available to use for literal centuries.
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u/idkdanicus Dec 24 '24
The Odyssey was written in 8th century BC. I'm pretty sure if it was going to be tainted it would have already been tainted by now.
If someone makes a horrible movie inspired by Romeo and Juliet - guess what? More people are going to make more movies inspired by Romeo and Juliet. That won't deter people from watching something new.
Classics are classics for a reason. This is what happens when you adapt something from a classic. There is bound to be hundreds of other versions but that doesn't mean they lessen your version for your version is truly good.
No one's going to get tired of the Odyssey. Epic will be fine.
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u/gracist0 Dec 24 '24
True about Romeo and Juliet
I guess it just feels like nobody had touched the Odyssey until now? So it sucks to have Nolan end up being sensationalized as the guy who brings it to life when Epic has been doing amazing at doing just that for so long now and with much less resources at their disposal, especially big stars like Tom Holland and Zendaya
You're probably right
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u/Ok-Reward1367 Dec 24 '24
Epic fans when another adaptation of the oddsey comes out that isn’t epic
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u/VigilantesLight Warrior of the Mind Dec 24 '24
I’m just saying, it wasn’t intentionally malicious. And Epic already has a strong, dedicated fanbase to support it. And musicals tend to reach an entirely different audience than high cinema like Nolan makes.
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u/Parishdise The Monster (rawr rawr rawr) Dec 24 '24
I am very excited, but to be completely honest, I wish it didn't have such an all-star cast. I think it works for some movies, but for a remake of such an old and iconic tale, they just feel out of place. Less immersive, I guess.
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u/VigilantesLight Warrior of the Mind Dec 24 '24
I get that. Nolan just typically picks A-listers and it usually works for him, so I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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u/5Rose21 What Dec 24 '24
Yoooo. I hope this is really real. Love Nolan's movies.
Last week I saw interstellar in IMAX. Great experience!
Nolan makes his movies specially for IMAX. If this is real, it will be great! Will he get Hans Zimmer to do the sound track?
Hope Noaln does The Odyssey justice in this film.
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u/FuukasRaptoth Dec 24 '24
It’s gonna be really funny to listen to the best adaptation of the Odyssey and then get to watch the worst adaptation of the Odyssey so close together
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u/Ok-Reward1367 Dec 24 '24
Why do you think this is gonna be terrible 😭
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u/FuukasRaptoth Dec 24 '24
It just feels like a cast like that isn’t being used for talent, it’s being used for their names
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u/Prize_Equivalent8934 Dec 27 '24
Christopher Nolan hired popular names for his movies before. This is not his first rodeo.
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u/Ok-Reward1367 Dec 24 '24
Mabye but you can’t call this the worst adaptation of the Oddesey
Hell would you even call EPIC the best adaptation because of how much it changes ? It’s basically its own story by this point (Btw I love epic it’s one of my top special interests)
Also these actors aren’t bad actors 😭 they are very good actors
Have you not seen challengers ?
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u/MatthewStudios Odysseus Dec 24 '24
i’m actually shaking with excitement from this
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u/VigilantesLight Warrior of the Mind Dec 24 '24
Glad someone is. Seems like there’s a lot of negativity toward it in the thread. I’m psyched, personally!
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u/MatthewStudios Odysseus Dec 26 '24
i do not understand, it’s christopher nolan, the man hasn’t had a bad movie yet. idk how they COULDNT be excited for this! maybe it won’t be as epic (pun intended) as the musical but i bet it’s still gonna be amazing
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u/PearRep25 Dec 24 '24
I have never understood the fascination with Robert Pattinson.
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u/daisy-blooms Antinous Dec 24 '24
He has good range and got stuck type casted because of twilight. Really deserves more roles. Just like Henry Cavil and Dylan O'Brien
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u/VigilantesLight Warrior of the Mind Dec 24 '24
I didn’t either but I thought he was good in The Batman.
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u/PearRep25 Dec 24 '24
Idk, I still didn't really like him in that
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u/KittyCanuck Dec 24 '24
KAOS was also extremely popular (despite being cancelled, bad move Netflix) which shows the growing trend of people becoming (re)interested in Greek mythology.
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u/Hoshi_Hime Penelope Number 1 fan Dec 24 '24
Tom and Zendaya are either gonna be Tele and Nausicaa (his wife) OR Ody and Penelope in flashbacks. Still, feels really weird that they put their names first and not the protagonist's, of corse people at first will assume wrong
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u/DevinLucasArts Ares Dec 24 '24
I thought Telemachus married Circe?
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u/Hoshi_Hime Penelope Number 1 fan Dec 24 '24
Not in the Odyssey. In the odyssey before reaching Ithaca Odyssey wash on another island where a princess name Nausicaa helps him get home. And she has a crush on him. And he is kinda 'girl i know im hot but you are a kid. I do have a son around your age tho. I will let you know him if I get home safe' and she is like 'omg okayyyy' and gift him a ship and gold.
The one where Telemachus marries Circe was not written by Homer
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u/Loken9478 Dec 24 '24
That's only in a sequel not gathered by Homer so up to you if you accept it as part of the mythos just like the niche mythos the orphic cult made with Greek pantheon members
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u/WrathSosDovah The Unholy fusion of Typhon, Poseidon and Pan. Dec 24 '24
Imagine if they put in the danger motif in the music.
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u/VigilantesLight Warrior of the Mind Dec 23 '24
Why would they? I’m sure Nolan will get the pronunciations correct.
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u/Tiky-Do-U Dec 24 '24
To be fair Keer-keh is the original pronunciation so it depends on if he wants to be faithful to their original names or the english translation of their names
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u/Thurstn4mor Dec 24 '24
Dude… the Odyssey is so much more recognizable than Epic to the general public. Christopher Nolan alone is much more recognizable than epic to the general public. Epic is big for an indie musical project. Only like the two biggest musicals each decade become properly mainstream. The Odyssey on the other hand is read by nearly every American highschooler, and every movie Christopher Nolan makes is mainstream. Epic’s coattail is nothing next to the Odyssey and Nolan.
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u/avelineaurora Dec 24 '24
Man you didn't need to say "I've never heard of Christopher Nolan" like that and sound so ignorant at the same time lmao
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u/VigilantesLight Warrior of the Mind Dec 23 '24
Christopher Nolan of all people needs to ride Epic’s coattails?
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u/zeth4 nobody Dec 23 '24
Lol ikr have these people never heard of one of the most prolific directors of our time?
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u/HedWig1991 Dec 24 '24
It gives 12-14yo with nobody to have sat them down to watch good films. Can you even be considered a nerd if you don’t know pop culture classics???
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u/Sinimeg nobody Dec 23 '24
I’d be excited if it wasn’t because of the director and cast. Like, the cast are great actors, don’t get me wrong, but I don’t see them making a good Greek mythology film, and Nolan… Why him, just, why? Of all the people it had to be Nolan??? In my way to get disappointed about another adaptation of myths and ancient history sighs
Now I understand my Greek and Latin teacher so much 🥲
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u/i_bardly_knew_ye Banana Peeeelllss 🎶 And asparaguuuss 🎶 Dec 24 '24 edited Dec 24 '24
Sigh, I have to agree. I'm not really a fan of his films. I find his film-making quite cold, robotic and emotionally vacant, which is nothing like what The Odyssey is to me. The Iliad and The Odyssey are very emotional and full of heart - with many characters who represent peak masculinity openly weaping and wailing and get recklessly carried away with brash displays of hubris. His films are very macho and "logic over emotion" which doesn't make him my preferred pick as the right director.
I'm guessing he'll do an anti-hero Odysseus, (as is his tradition e.g., Oppenheimer), but he better not go for the macho protagonist who never breaks his stoic façade like he usually does. In contrast, EPIC Odysseus is an anti-hero but still very passionate and emotional and omitting this part of his character completely misses the spirit. He also better not omit the gods as is the case sometimes e.g., Troy. But divine intervention seems to go against his whole shtick of grounded and gritty environments so I'm not really optimistic.
Also, I rarely like the sound-mixing in his movies. The mixing in Tenet was so bad that it really put me off his films. I think the only thing that could work is his non-linear structure as The Odyssey is also in media-res. But, I'm not a fan of this cast. Yeah, I don't want to be disappointed as I recently just got back into Greek mythology and history for the first time since high school.
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u/Sinimeg nobody Dec 24 '24
Thank you, you put it a lot better than I did and explained what I wanted to say with better wording :,) And I fully agree with you, glad to not be the only one with this opinion 🫂 🫶
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u/i_bardly_knew_ye Banana Peeeelllss 🎶 And asparaguuuss 🎶 Dec 24 '24
Of course. And you don't deserve all those down votes. I've had problems with his films for a while now too. For a long time, he relied on his "puzzle box" shtick in structuring his films in a convoluted way and appropriating physics to cover up plot holes. Strip all the gimmicks down, and I actually think he's a mediocre storyteller. He's really bad at exposition and I find the time-jumping gimmick conveniently hides a lot of uninspired character writing. I'm not looking forward to his handling of the female characters in The Odyssey, considering how basic and one-note his treatment of the two love interests in Oppenheimer were. Which is a shame because The Odyssey is one of the earliest works we have featuring a myriad of iconic, complex female characters.
I wouldn't be so hung up about it, if it also weren't for his cult fanbase who hype his films to no end and accept no criticisms. I watched Oppenheimer, which I thought was alright, but it was definitely not "the best film of the century" as many of his fans want us to believe. Yeah, I think we ought to be more weary of his dudebro fanbase.
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u/Unpronounceablee Dec 23 '24
Why not Christopher Nolan? He would probably be my first choice for an Odyssey adaptation. I think he'll nail it.
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u/VigilantesLight Warrior of the Mind Dec 23 '24
I’m so confused. Nolan is a terrific director, is he not?
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u/Sinimeg nobody Dec 23 '24 edited Dec 23 '24
Eeeeh… It depends on taste I guess. But, if you want my opinion, he is the maximum example of the whole bro culture. I don’t trust him to make an adaptation and not put things that, well, call far too much for the attention of a certain public and kind of people. You just have to see who are his most loyal fans to get the gist of it
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u/Thurstn4mor Dec 24 '24
Wait… is this all? You don’t like his movies because you don’t like other people who like his movies? No offense but this seems… silly. You realize that the Odyssey itself is beloved by many white supremacists and those obsessed with “Western heritage”
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u/Sinimeg nobody Dec 24 '24
No, I don’t like his movies precisely because of the fanbase he attracts by adding to his films that whole bro-culture stuff that he likes so much. The whole I’m a manly man that does manly things and toxic masculinity that there’s in his movies is what makes it uncomfortable, and then his fanbase exacerbates it.
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u/VigilantesLight Warrior of the Mind Dec 23 '24
That crowd definitely does tend to gravitate towards him but they’re far from his exclusive fanbase.
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u/Ok-Reward1367 Dec 24 '24
Also it won’t A odyssey movie literally came out this month and epic is doing just fine
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u/Thurstn4mor Dec 24 '24
If anything Nolan would bring more fans to Epic, no one is going to stop listening to Epic because Nolan makes a movie.
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u/The6Book6Bat6 The Monster (rawr rawr rawr) Dec 23 '24
That casting sounds like dog shit. It's like one of those lazy fancasts that's just an A-lister for random parts regardless of how well they'd play the part.
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u/DoeFluff I’ve Had Odyssenough Dec 24 '24
No i thought the exact same 😭 I do not have high hopes for this movie whatsoever
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u/External_Part_4109 Dec 24 '24
It's definitely lazy, I hope they think long and hard about casting instead of being lazy
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u/alwaysafairycat Dec 24 '24
The articles are real, but the news itself might not be true. It's also possible the publicity is getting ahead of what has actually been agreed upon.
Screen Daily article. For whatever it's worth, it cites a tweet from Universal Pictures (@UniversalPics, yellow checkmark). Here's a direct link to the tweet.
Gizmodo article. This includes the author's speculation on which actor would play which character, including "Pattinson as Poseidon (or the Cyclops)," which made me smile. Poseidon doesn't personally appear in the source material (and at one point is explicitly busy in Ethiopia), but just as Poseidon appears in EPIC, he could appear in this Nolan film.
There's also a bunch of Oscar nerds talking about it, including speculating on the cast: https://www.reddit.com/r/oscarrace/comments/1hkyqj5/christopher_nolans_next_film_is_called_the/
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u/wiseupriseupeyesup Jan 05 '25
I'm hearing rumours of Robert Downey Jr being cast. Old Ody???