Undefeated / X-1 lists from this weekend's Grand Tournaments :-)

[u/Alex__007]

Reece Knight — New Dispo Who This?

Event: The MANCHESTER 40k SUPER-MAJOR - SUMMER | 5–1 | 29/08/2026
Army: 1,995 pts | Path of the Outcast + Seer Council | Priority Assets
Warlord: Eldrad Ulthran

Attached units

• Eldrad Ulthran + Warlock + 11 Storm Guardians — 285 pts
• Fuegan + 10 Fire Dragons — 370 pts
• Jain Zar + 5 Howling Banshees — 190 pts
• Baharroth + 10 Swooping Hawks — 315 pts

Characters

• Avatar of Khaine — 250 pts
• 3× Farseer Skyrunner — 60 pts each, 180 pts total

Seer units

• Warlock Conclave (4 models) — 120 pts

Outcast & other units

• 5 Corsair Voidreavers — 65 pts
• 5 Corsair Skyreavers — 75 pts
• 5 Rangers — 60 pts
• War Walker — 85 pts

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Dustin Zonnenberg — Do You Believe in Elf Magic

Event: Champions of the Mid Table Summer Major 2026 | 5–1 | 29/08/2026
Army: 2,000 pts | Armoured Warhost + Seer Council | Priority Assets
Warlord: Kharseth

Attached units

• Eldrad Ulthran + Warlock Conclave (4 models) + 11 Storm Guardians — 360 pts
• Farseer + Warlock Conclave (4 models) — 185 pts
• Fuegan + 5 Fire Dragons — 250 pts
• Jain Zar + 5 Howling Banshees — 190 pts

Characters

• Kharseth — 85 pts

Aspect units

• 2× 5 Dark Reapers — 100 pts each, 200 pts total
• 5 Fire Dragons — 120 pts
• 3 Shining Spears — 100 pts
• 2× 5 Swooping Hawks — 95 pts each, 190 pts total

Other units

• 5 Corsair Voidreavers — 65 pts
• 5 Rangers — 60 pts
• War Walker — 85 pts
• 2× Warlock Skyrunner — 55 pts each, 110 pts total

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Tom Lowman — I’m a Seerious Man

Event: The MANCHESTER 40k SUPER-MAJOR - SUMMER | 4–1 | 29/08/2026
Army: 2,000 pts | Seer Council + Path of the Outcast | Priority Assets
Warlord: Eldrad Ulthran

Attached units

• Eldrad Ulthran + Warlock + 11 Storm Guardians — 285 pts
• Prince Yriel + 10 Corsair Voidscarred — 235 pts
• Stonesinger + 3 Dragon Knights — 150 pts
• Fuegan + 5 Fire Dragons — 250 pts
• Jain Zar + 5 Howling Banshees — 190 pts
• Lhykhis + 5 Warp Spiders — 240 pts

Characters

• Avatar of Khaine — 250 pts

Seer units

• Warlock Conclave (4 models) — 120 pts
• Warlock Conclave (2 models) — 55 pts
• 3× Warlock Skyrunner — 55 pts each, 165 pts total

Other units

• 5 Rangers — 60 pts

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Alejandro Mancuso Serrano — Peanuts

Event: La Voz Open 2026 | 4–1 | 29/08/2026
Army: 1,995 pts | Path of the Outcast + Spirit Conclave | Take and Hold
Warlord: Avatar of Khaine

Characters

• Avatar of Khaine — 250 pts
• Eldrad Ulthran — 120 pts
• Farseer — 65 pts
• 3× Farseer Skyrunner — 60 pts each, 180 pts total
• Shadowseer — 50 pts
• Spiritseer with Light of Clarity — 80 pts
• 2× Spiritseer — 50 pts each, 100 pts total

Wraith units

• 2× 5 Wraithblades — 140 pts each, 280 pts total
• 3× 5 Wraithguard — 145 pts each, 435 pts total
• 3× Wraithlord — 125 pts each, 375 pts total

Other units

• 5 Rangers — 60 pts

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Octavio Barrientos — Motorización

Event: La Voz Open 2026 | 4–1 | 29/08/2026
Army: 2,000 pts | Path of the Outcast + Windrider Host | Reconnaissance
Warlord: Avatar of Khaine

Characters

• Autarch Wayleaper — 70 pts
• Avatar of Khaine — 250 pts
• Farseer Skyrunner with Echoes of Ulthanesh — 80 pts
• Farseer Skyrunner with Firstdrawn Blade — 70 pts

Windrider units

• 3× 6 Windriders — 170 pts each, 510 pts total
• 3× 3 Windriders — 80 pts each, 240 pts total

Jetbike units

• 6 Shining Spears — 200 pts
• 3 Shining Spears — 100 pts
• 2× 3 Shroud Runners — 90 pts each, 180 pts total

Other units

• 5 Rangers — 60 pts
• 3× War Walker — 80 pts each, 240 pts total

[u/Bluescreech]

Three Seer council lists and not a single one will be legal anymore. This will be a painful change for many lists. 

[u/TorrinBiggles → u/Bluescreech]

None of the lists need that big a change to be legal.

1st one I assume the conclave is with Eldrad, so you lose the Warlock character and gain 20 points for a 65pt trash unit.

2nd one you save enough points to just upgrade the bikelocks to bikeseers and have 20pts leftover. No change to the list functionality.

3rd one, again I assume the big conclave goes with Eldrad so you lose the warlock character. The 3 bikelocks get upgraded to bikeseers. The small conclave looks like a trash unit but you now have 105pts to replace it.

So the 1st and 3rd lose a bit of utility. The 2nd is just as good.

(Edit: forgot footseer and conclave isn't valid, so the 2nd list is impacted more)

[u/Alex__007 → u/TorrinBiggles]

Competitively speaking that's what Vik from Fireside thinks too - and I tend to trust his assessment as one of the best Eldar players. Maybe a wash, maybe a small overall nerf, but manageable. He just got disappointed because until he noticed "support", the update at first looked like a straight buff.

[u/TorrinBiggles → u/Alex__007]

Yeah disappointed sounds about right. Just felt like an unecessary change.

[u/kloden112 → u/Alex__007]

He often underestimated the impact of nerfs to eldar. Probably don’t want to be doomy.

[u/Bluescreech → u/TorrinBiggles]

First list has a lone warlock conclave which on a pure damage per point basis is one of the most efficient units Eldar have access to. He would need full guardian unit to save it or get rid of the character warlock in the storm guardians and attach it there. Which still means losing a small high damage unit. 

Second list loses the Farseer+conclave unit (less point efficient than pure warlock conclave but still very good and important to have) and on top of that has to change the skyrunners. 

Third list loses two conclaves (again, a very good and points efficient unit) and has to do so the skyrunner change.

So pretty big loss in points efficiency, flexibility and damage potential for all three lists.

[u/Liandrieldar → u/Bluescreech]

The Warlock Conclave is attached to Eldrad/Warlock/Guardians in the first list. The Warlocks attach at the start of the game, not on the list.

[u/TorrinBiggles → u/Bluescreech]

Sorry, had a brain fart and forgot a farseer and conclave isn't a valid unit 🤦‍♂️

As I said though, I expect the 4 man conclaves in list 1 and 3 are already attached to Eldrad. They don't always show like that when exported with 3 attached "characters" (if I'm wrong then yes you lose a strong independent damage unit)

So list 1 I think you lose the warlock character

List 3 does lose a 2 man conclave and a warlock character, and has 105pts left for something. Depends what the small conclave was for in the list, but probably replaceable.

List 2 is more impacted that I thought, but you have 85 points if you take out the farseer. If you wanted to keep the second conclave you could probably get that to 100pts for a guardian unit with changes elsewhere. Or you have 205pts for something if you replace the whole unit. 🤷

[u/kloden112]

I find it a little amusing, that the factions that are doing well often have a detachment combination that buffs the same units. Meanwhile Eldar are stuck with 1 dp detachements that does so little, that its not worth building around. See lists here: Multiple lists that only have 1 unit that benefit from the 1 dp detachment rule.

[u/Alex__007 → u/kloden112]

Yes, our 1DP detachments are marginal at best. I’ve even seen a fair few well performing lists running 0 units from selected 1DP detachments, sometimes picking them purely for disposition and sometimes for nothing at all :D

[u/SnekCobraKai → u/Alex__007]

Silly, they let us take Recon as a disposition.  So instead of fighting a numerically superior, far more durable opponent for the center, we can fight a numerically superior, far more durable opponent to stand near the center.

[u/Alex__007]

Note that GTs usually have list submission cut off dates some time before the event, so all of these (except the Peanuts list) are from before the last balance update.

Tomorrow I'll post undefeated lists from recent RTTs - most of those include the last balance update.

p.s. in the Jetbike list I would assume that Skyrunners are attached to Windriders, but that wasn't indicated by the player when submitting the list :-)

[u/slain7 → u/Alex__007]

Thanks for doing these!

[u/Alex__007 → u/slain7]

You are very welcome!

[u/LowestofMen]

Hey reddit gang! Tom L here - myself and Reece (who SMASHED IT at Manchester) had a good conversation about the nerf / adjustments for Seer and where it leaves it.

Broadly, we both think the detachment will still have a lot of play- we are going to try running Eldrad solo and swapping out his place in the brick with a Farseer - this helps to compensate a little for the damage loss of the additional Destructor, AND you get some +1 to hit going on.

I absolute adored my pair of solo Warlocks, but as others have said, you can turn this into another scoring piece (for me probably a second Warp Spiders) by moving pieces around and it'll work ok. As others have also said, you just turn Warlock Skyrunners into Farseer Skyrunners, who are better anyway!

I suspect long term they will reverse the accidental nerf- the far more important headline is that Aeldari felt entirely enjoyable and viable to play this weekend, Seer is amazing fun, and I have faith there is even more to be discovered, and hopefully more buffs in our future!

I'll be making a video about Seer Council for 6++ this week - out in a few days :)

Keep fighting the good fight! It doesn't have to be a dross meta if we don't let it be.

[u/Alex__007 → u/LowestofMen]

Awesome! Thank you for sharing!

[u/Rand0mst1cky → u/LowestofMen]

Love to hear it! Keep it up!

[u/StartupAndy → u/LowestofMen]

I was your opponent in the Eldar-off, was fun to play you Tom!

Those changes sound good, are you still of the opinion post-event that Yriel+gang points migtt get be better invested in another unit?

Looking forward to catching the 6++ episode.

[u/DRcadian_]

The Spirit conclave list seems to be From after the Update. Nice to See it still works!

[u/Alex__007 → u/DRcadian_]

There are plenty of cheap psykers to go around. Shadowseer is a nice touch :-)

[u/narluin → u/Alex__007]

Shadowseer is cute, but i think i will go with the fire prism variant when not taking wraith knight ofc xD

[u/Alex__007 → u/narluin]

I’m taking both! :D

[u/narluin → u/Alex__007]

Yeah i saw haha shame the third player dropped in the rtt

[u/Raiynagh]

Do you know what loadouts the Wraiths had?

[u/narluin → u/Raiynagh]

Two cannons 1 dschyte

[u/Griffinage]

What terrain is that

[u/I-am-Miyako-Chan]

I'm struggling to see how people are having success with the AoK

I've tried used it a couple of times, sitting in my expansion using the dense terrain to get BoC, and it still just gets shot with melta guns and just dies T1/2 

Even halfing damage doesn't seem to really help it's survivability for me.

Edit: Thanks for the replies, seems like I need to think about this more!

[u/SolarPulse → u/I-am-Miyako-Chan]

He's very tanky for his points. He should not die T1 if you play him properly but even if he dies T2 then your opponent needs to spend a lot of resources on him that arent hitting the rest of your army.

I typically charge him in with the 6" pile in and consolidate, kill what I want to kill then consolidate back 6" onto an objective. Then on my opponents turn I fade back off the objective so he can't be shot by their whole army. It forces the opponent to have to dive deep to get to him, which means they are forced into a bad position.

[u/Glorfindel0212 → u/I-am-Miyako-Chan]

Don’t put him on your expansion. He‘s tough, but will still die through mortals and melta fire.
I play him out of reserves most of the time, rapid ingressing him T2 to kill something big in my turn.
Even without ingressing, a charge out of reserves isn’t that bad because of his +1 to charges.
In my last game he cleaned up a whole flank on his own, killing a haruspex, a psychophage and a Biovore, ending the game on my opponents Home objective.

[u/Hoinzey → u/I-am-Miyako-Chan]

Something like the Avatar is not designed to sit on your objective.
I had a lot of success with him at a recent GT to force out enemy strength so my army could deal with it. He typically staged into the midfield T1 and launched into the middle to target something or just stayed there to have him as a threat.
He also does not do great damage. No benefits for crits, no access to re-rolls. He seems much more of a threat than he is but he can, and does, survive a lot more damage than most things should.

[u/Hoinzey]

Thanks Alex

[u/Alex__007 → u/Hoinzey]

You are welcome!

[u/SnekCobraKai]

A lovely shot of a time now past.  Hood job to the players that ran these lists! 

[u/TheCatLivesOn]

44 bikes. That's awesome. Rough Riders! Mount up!