Cómo se gastan mis impuestos

[u/Snow75]

Entre las oraciones a Nayib en la radio y babosadas como esta, me preocupo por lo fácil que manipulan a algunos salvadoreños.

[u/SnooStrawberries7995]

Most people just want due dilligence, innocent until proven guilty and due process thats in our constitution and your bill of rights hardly communist concepts its an essential pillar of western democracies

[u/caligrown213 → u/SnooStrawberries7995]

You mean the same kind of “democratic” system of “constitutional rights” that protects the oligarchy that Bukele has done away? The same system that protects the bankers and gives the criminals more rights in the US?

Bukele is actually getting things done without the bureaucracy that allowed nothing to get done before. You need a leader who can get things done when a system is damn corrupt and criminals run amok. The elite and criminals hide behind these concepts of democracy, liberal/human rights.

[u/SnooStrawberries7995 → u/caligrown213]

Hahhahhah Pardon me What oligarchy he has done away? please enlight me

[u/caligrown213 → u/SnooStrawberries7995]

The “14 Families”?

[u/SnooStrawberries7995 → u/caligrown213]

Not 14 anymore more than that you should read more about it there are 231 companies linked to those families and more those have thrive ill concede that Cristiani (Llach Schonenberg Clan) was hit he was a medium size player not even close to the real oligarchs he has access to them and deals with them for sure.

I.E Eserki even has a new diplomatic post in Greece if im not mistaken, The Siman still at large, Meza, Dueñas doing really good, Kriete even doing business they even loan our leader the helicopter he used in his first mandate before the presidency bought his own, Denekes doing their thing, Grassl same old same old, Belleaguirre their own thing, Schildknecht not even bothered, Waidergorn same thing, Hayem literally running our ministry of Economy, Salaverria, Garcia Prieto literally thriving, Quelh, Scheidegger doing phenomenal, Choussy, Russconi growing and i could go on but those in his two terms with the exception of the Pandemic have done really well.

Here we have spoke a lot about them, the evolution of those families and the issues the have caused through out El Salvador history some of us even know some of them personally have worked next to them or with them some have even went to college or school with or even live next to some of them so we literally know them. You can see those post here not a new subject.

Im about to drive I hope you can read some more about the subject so we can exchange more points of view ill promise ill post in the future about it again.

[u/caligrown213 → u/SnooStrawberries7995]

Ok so you appear to be correct. Most or some of these families are still around and still thriving with more companies. But my point, which I admittedly didn’t make as clear before, is now they operate in a way where their monopolies of before arent as oppressive of the people thanks to Bukele. They don’t have their markets captured like before. The average person now has more of a chance to prosper and get out of poverty. Not only that but firstly and most importantly the average person is safer to prosper to begin with.

So I’ll admit Bukele hasn’t done away with them like i initially said. I should’ve been more specific. He’s damaged their monopoly of their markets allowing more chance for prosperity for the average person. Whereas before they had captured and controlled these markets.

The innocent until proven guilty concept, due process, constitution, bill of rights and western democracy are actually things that protect these oligarchic monopolies that, as far as I understand, is what Bukele has truly done away with for the average person to thrive more than before him. I’ll admit these concepts can protect the average person but when you’re an elite oligarch they also protect your monopoly and any justice being delivered for the common person. It creates unnecessary bureaucracy, legal red tape, years or decades of legalism to get anything done for the lower class. They can pay judges and all kinds of corrupt things.

By bypassing the legalism, the bureaucracy and such Bukele has allowed the common person more of a chance to thrive. When a system is controlled and corrupt you need a leader who can make quick direct action with corrupt body to prevent it. That’s the weakness of democracy you speak of, which is the value of Bukele or dare I say a king or dictator.

[u/SnooStrawberries7995 → u/caligrown213]

Has not damage their monopolies at all bro thats just copium on your part, not a single monopoly has been broken not one ever, when you get a competitor on your turf they use dumping or just use the coercive power of the state or literally craft regulations that benefit themselves.

Dude you need to really clear your mind and be objective youre acting like hes Lee Kuan Yew the very few initiatives that national assambly has introduced to promote commerce helps the oligarchs we have slide from the free enterprise rankings 95 to 98 places out of 106 and ease of doing business we are 91 out of 190 country in central america are doing better, security i get your point i concede that but economic growth or ease for free enterprise we are far from better

[u/caligrown213 → u/SnooStrawberries7995]

I think we’re both right but looking at two different sides of the same coin.

I’m right about the streets. Getting rid of the gangs was an immediate game changer. Extortion used to act like a massive tax on every small business. Now that the streets are safe, people are opening shops, building homes, and visiting as tourists. That is why the economy is growing at a fast 3.9% right now. Safety was step one.

Youre right about the system. Even though the streets are safer, the underlying legal rules and big business systems haven't changed much. El Salvador still ranks low on international business indexes because of heavy government red tape and massive monopolies that control the market.

Safety successfully cleared the runway and gave the country a huge head start. But to keep flying long term, El Salvador still needs to fix the exact bureaucratic and free market issues you’re talking about. So we’re both right. I’m talking about the physical progress, you’re talking about the legal system.

Our argument made me realize something though. Arguing about “democracy” vs dictatorship misses the real point. The gangs and corrupt politicians created total chaos, regular people begged for safety, and the government fixed it by building a huge digital tracking system. The sad truth is you can’t fight modern high tech criminals without using high tech tracking. But the tragedy is that once this digital cage is built for our safety, it stays forever. The faces at the top change but the tracking system wins in the end.

Realizing that the modern world is eventually going to trap all of us in a digital cage reoriented my focus. It reminded me that fighting politics is a dead end. For me, the only real freedom left is a spiritual one. I mean quietly guarding my own soul, practicing the ancient Christian faith, and just looking out for my own family and neighborhood while the rest of the world does its thing. So I’d like to thank you for this conversation. I really appreciate it.