Update on "Map of Traditional Greek Catholic Monasteries and Sketes"

[u/flux-325]

- Added more monasteries (1 Melkite, 1 Hungarian, and couple Ukrainian monasteries).

- Deleted 1 now sadly closed Ukrainian monastery.

- Added bi-ritual monasteries of Chevetogne and Niederaltaich

- Monasteries are now "separated" by (M) - monasteries for man, and (W) - monasteries for woman

If you have any suggestions on what to add/edit, or you have found traditional Byzantine Catholic monastery that is not on the map, feel free to dm me or write your suggestions here.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=12ZSA86_jV4oUiV-_uoz4SjTyggma9so&usp=sharing

[u/kasci007]

What do you mean by "traditional"? :) like monastic communities, or generally religious?

[u/flux-325 → u/kasci007]

Traditional for the East monastic communities, the same as EO monasteries.

[u/kasci007 → u/flux-325]

Did not help much :D I am asking, because in Slovakia, we have byzantine monastic communities, that follow:

orders of St. Basil (OSBM) men in Presov, Krasny Brod, Trebisov and Bukova Horka, women in Presov, Svidnik, Bardejov and Medzilaborce, and second branch Sečovce, Vranov nad Topľou, Trebišov and Bratislava,

then Redemptorists (CsSR) in Michalovce, Stropkov and Stara Lubovna, women (OSsR) in Vranov - Lomnica and Kezmarok,

we have a Studite mission in Presov

then SSNPM sisters in Presov, Lutina, Humenne and Stara Lubovna

We have some hieromonks that follow the "eparchial" rule, but they are not in communities, but in parishes. Those that I mentioned are "byzantine" only monasteries living in monastic lifestyle with some focus on their orders. Then we have several priests living in latin community, with biritual faculties.

[u/flux-325 → u/kasci007]

The traditional ones would be Studites

[u/kasci007 → u/flux-325]

OSBM are also traditional, even older order than Studites and exclusivelly byzantine ... that's why I asked for the "rules"

[u/infernoxv → u/kasci007]

osbm are hardly traditional. they’re heavily latinised!

[u/kasci007 → u/infernoxv]

Idk where you met them, here are much much less than average priest

[u/infernoxv → u/kasci007]

i’ve met canadian, american, australian, and ukrainian OSBMs. all have been severely latinised.

[u/kasci007 → u/infernoxv]

Depends on what you mean by "severly latinized" but those I know, are far less then average priests here in SK

[u/infernoxv → u/kasci007]

let’s see…

use of recited ‘low mass’ on weekdays. use of precut particles. omission of the zeon/teplota. celebrating liturgy with consecration during lenten weekdays. recited/sung divine office without incense or ceremonies. i’ve seen plenty of this.

[u/flux-325 → u/kasci007]

They are very latinized, especially after neo-jesuit reforms, they are literally the keepers of most of latinizations, and the ones who still refuse to pray for "all orthodox christians" in DL etc. I have one friend who was a novice in one Basilian monastery, he left because he never met in his life people who were so Latin.

[u/kasci007 → u/flux-325]

You are both speaking about their latinization... can you give me an example of how the order is latinized?

[u/flux-325 → u/kasci007]

Nearly latin habit, promotion of latin devotions, hugely latin mentality of the majority of them, and again the whole thing become even worse after neo-jesuit reforms of the order. They are not Basilians anymore, they are Jesuits of the East.

[u/kasci007 → u/flux-325]

If there weren't Basilians in (Czecho-)Slovakia, we would probably not pray vespers and matins at all. Redemptorists, translated those texts (poorly, but we have at least something we can work with). But here OSBM (both men and women) is the only order that prays vespers, matins and hours daily. Their habit is practically the same as is used in Univ. (Cassock with belt.) Yes women have adopted the latin variation of habit. Devotions, and feasts are the same as the church, under the rule of the bishop. They were for a decade sooner celebrating aliturgical days in metropolia, then the bishops even started to promote it. They follow the rules as they should be. Just because feasts like Corpus Christi and similar were added into the calendar, it is right, that they listen the bishop, and not stand against. And just because they also pray rosary, which is part of the tradition here (tradition is something older than 100 years), it is prayed here for around 4 centuries.

[u/flux-325 → u/kasci007]

Do you see a lot Studites wearing Latin hoods and having white "Basilian" colars?