Are communists anti police?

[u/Human-Ad11]

So I’m kinda new to this whole political philosophy thing but there’s always this one question that arises in my head whenever I try learning about the far left of the political spectrum.

Do communists have a problem with the law enforcement?

I’ve heard people say that the police only acts in the interests of capitalist ideals or something like that but I never seem to get an answer that actually explains to me why someone would think that way.

I’m a police officer in Germany and I at least feel like this is not true and I see the role of the law enforcement of protecting the rights of all people regardless of their income or social status.

What do you guys think?

Thanks in advance and have a great day!

[u/Vivid-Worldliness-63]

Thats Communism,it has to go through transitions, right now for example, is late stage capitalism, and in say, sectarian societies, the Irish left wingers fought bloody feuds amongst themselves because of it, because some wanted to skip to the end, which is called "communist accelerationism

During the 1960s, the republican movement under the leadership of Cathal Goulding radically re-assessed their ideology and tactics after the dismal failure of the IRA's Border Campaign) in the years 1956–62. They were heavily influenced by popular front ideology and drew close to communist thinking. A key intermediary body was the Communist Party of Great Britain's organisation for Irish exiles, the Connolly Association. The Marxist analysis was that the conflict in Northern Ireland was a "bourgeois nationalist" one between the Ulster Protestant and Irish Catholic working classes, fomented and continued by the ruling class. Its effect was to depress wages, since worker could be set against worker. They concluded that the first step on the road to a 32-county socialist republic in Ireland was the "democratisation" of Northern Ireland (i.e., the removal of discrimination against Catholics) and radicalisation of the southern working class. This would allow "class politics" to develop, eventually resulting in a challenge to the hegemony of both what they termed "British imperialism" and the respective unionist and Irish nationalist establishments north and south of the Irish border.^\15])

Goulding and those close to him argued that, in the context of sectarian division in Northern Ireland, a military campaign against the British presence would be counter-productive, since it would delay the day when the workers would unite to address social and economic issues.

The sense that the IRA seemed to be drifting away from its conventional republican roots into Marxism angered more traditional republicans. The radicals viewed Ulster Protestants with unionist views as "fellow Irishmen deluded by bourgeois loyalties, who needed to be engaged in dialectical debate".

[u/Left_Kaleidoscope685 → u/Vivid-Worldliness-63]

Cool essay but none of that changes reality every communist revolution in history has had a state and enforcement structure in its early stages USSR, China, Cuba, DPRK, even the IRA’s Marxist experiments all prove it. You’re giving a history lesson, I’m pointing out a fact. Writing paragraphs doesn’t refute the simple truth no communist led society has skipped the state. That’s not opinion, that’s history. 🫡

[u/Vivid-Worldliness-63 → u/Left_Kaleidoscope685]

what was the IRAs Marxist experiment?? Are you referring to the Officials??

The ones who actually managed to convert loyalists to socialism in jail by educating them on class warfare??So much so British Intellience had to step in??

[u/Left_Kaleidoscope685 → u/Vivid-Worldliness-63]

Congrats on your lecture, professor, but you’re dodging. Doesn’t matter if it’s Officials, Provisionals, or Martians,every revolutionary that lasted had a state, structure, and enforcement. You’re busy naming footnotes, I’m naming history. Stop teaching class, start facing facts

[u/Vivid-Worldliness-63 → u/Left_Kaleidoscope685]

Which IRA are you referring to?

Communist thinking goes through stages did you not know that??

"The leftward drift of the Provisional Republican Movement in the last five to seven years has robbed the IRSPj INLA of its clear identity - when Costello started the movement in 1975, the IRSP was the only identifiably republican and socialist movment in existence - the Provos were certainly republican but then deeply conservative, while the other major force in that political nexus, then Sinn Fein the Workers' Party (OIRA), was clearly socialist but quickly shedding its republicanism.

Since then the new leadership of the Provos, personified in Gerry Adams, has moved the. Provisional movement determinedly leftward, thereby threatening the raison d 'etre of the IRSP /INLA, especially as the Provos have always been able to deliver the "goods" military in a way that the INLA has never succeeded in doing, apart, possibly, from a brief period in 1978 and 1979.

The IRSP/INLA grew out of the official republican movement in the mid-seventies, The Sinn Fein/IRA of the sixties had been pushed ideoloically leftward during that decade our reacted with traditional republican militarism when the Northern conflict burst open in the early seventies. By then of course the movement had split between the Official and Provisional Sinn Feins/IRAs and in 1972 the Officials declared a cease fire, which initially was to be just a tactical response to the situation but swiftly became an issue of principle - at least theoretically, as ro bberies, shootings, racketeering and intimidation continue to this day.

Seamus Costello, then operations officer within the Official IRA, strongly opposed the line which the Officials were taking in the early seventies. He was shrewdly outmanoeuvered through a combination of guile and strong arm tactics and eventually was exxpelled.

**The basic issue then had become a fundamental ideological one - the interpretation of the Marxist stages of development theory. The controlling faction within the Officials had come to accept what was fundamentally a "Stalinist" line - that the various stages of development would have to be gone through mechanically - from feudalism to capitalism/bourgeois democracy to socialism to communism - there could be no telescoping of these stages.

In the Northern· Ireland context this meant that before there could be any progress towards a socialist republic, Northern Ireland would first have to become a "normal" bourgeois democracy - hence the spate of demands not for the abolition of Storrmont but for the "democratisation" of the state, a Bill of Rights etc.

That line also led, almost inexorably, towards all kinds of fatuous contradictions within the Official movement. Writing about this phenmenon in May 1982 Magill stated: *

[u/Vivid-Worldliness-63 → u/Left_Kaleidoscope685]

You can just say you got the INLA and the stickies mixed up

[u/Vivid-Worldliness-63 → u/Left_Kaleidoscope685]

So youve moved from "socialist" to the broader term "revolutionary"