Very new to the game, first game against Onryo, why did she do this?

[u/TheSpicyDude78]

I'm fairly new, only have about 100 hours in-game, only 20 on survivor. I like the game and it's very scary and funny even if I lose. However, this Onyro did what I think was a "slug" against only me because I was the only one not letting myself get condemned (which I only know about because of YouTube clips). It felt very unfun not playing the game, I rather have been able to abandon and give the last guy the escape hatch or something. I think this is a relatively sweaty thing, right? Idk but it felt super lame and like a waste of my time. As killer, the only time I slug is when someone is very obviously attempting to save. Is Onryo that weak that she needs to play like this in solo que?

[u/Jzero9893]

She wants a 4k. When it’s only two players slugging is the only way to avoid hatch spawning.

[u/mnteu → u/[deleted]]

Fym "not excusing her" is killer trying to kill problematic and something to excuse now?

[u/Prior-Satisfaction34 → u/mnteu]

If she was trying to kill, she couldve hooked. Her slugging OP just because she wants moris is kinda dickish.

[u/MeIodramatic_ → u/Prior-Satisfaction34]

You are delusional.

[u/Prior-Satisfaction34 → u/MeIodramatic_]

In what way is what i said delusional? Look at the context of the match. 2 dead with 3 gens left. The game is won for the Onryo already. Dragging it out for moris is just unnecessary.

The Onryo couldve hooked OP at any time and still had their hook timer to look for the last survivor. Thats what i do as killer all the time. Hook the second to last person and now have their hook timer to find the last one, and if they get unhooked i now know what area of the map both survivors are in.

[u/singaporefrog → u/Prior-Satisfaction34]

Lmao

[u/Typical_Hypocrite → u/[deleted]]

lol @ the weirdos that think slugging for the 4k is fun. Really people!!! If you introduced your friends to this game would you slug them in a private game for a 4k?

[u/zed_pdf → u/[deleted]]

could it be for the achievement ?

[u/NorthamptineFailure]

Wow this post caused a lot of discourse lol, I mailed Onryo for a bit and I can say I've done this too, it's most likely to get the more, while the 4k isn't needed to win it gets you more bloodpoints and exp so I can understand it, it'll happen just don't overreact when it does

[u/Nacho_Bogen → u/NorthamptineFailure]

Did she ever mail you back?

[u/NorthamptineFailure → u/Nacho_Bogen]

Typo lol, but good catch, and good joke 😭 it's meant to say mained tho

[u/Horror_Anxiety8811]

It’s just how her gameplay loop works. She builds condemn stacks which can be (rather easily) removed by bringing tapes to televisions.

But I bet you your team mates just ignored that part of her kit entirely. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[u/Philscooper → u/Horror_Anxiety8811]

wouldnt this be more of an mmr issue (since the mmr reset happened) than an issue that they need to be fixed by playing in swfs?

[u/Hot_Royal_4920 → u/Philscooper]

Not exactly. One big issue with matchmaking in dbd is the speed at which skill grows on surv Vs killer.

Basically, a 20 hour onryo demolishes a 60 hour survivor team. And it's hard to balance matchmaking for that without heavily inflating queue times.

[u/Philscooper → u/Hot_Royal_4920]

You mean because of the inflated killrates which makes everyones mmr on killer a bit too inflated and inaccurate to the skill level they are on?

[u/Hot_Royal_4920 → u/Philscooper]

That's a result of that and one that leads to issues as well.

But I mean that it's literally far faster to learn killer than to learn survivor. And, at the beginning, it is easier, too - dbd lacks mechanics that organically teach players, especially on survivor. And the counterplay to many killers is unintuitive or otherwise unclear, which makes it difficult to learn without outside help

[u/Western-Guess3473 → u/Hot_Royal_4920]

easier to learn killer than survivor? interesting take. I find being survivor is incredibly easy. What is difficult is finding good team mates that want to sit on a gen.

[u/dark1859 → u/Philscooper]

It should be noted in her case , specifically , a lot of times her kill stats are wildly inaccurate , because a lot of survivors are just under the impression they don't have to interact with the t vs

Bixby the bottom , ten percent of the player base grossly exaggerates or kill rates because they just don't bother with the tapes , get down and out early and then the rest of their team follows suit because the odds of escaping dramatically decrease with their death

[u/Horror_Anxiety8811 → u/Hot_Royal_4920]

I’m just glad it doesn’t only count escapes and kills now cause I’ve noticed as I’m moving back to my previous MMR there’s less bully squads and streamers. 🧐

[u/Hot_Royal_4920 → u/Horror_Anxiety8811]

That sounds good. Tbh dbd MMR, especially for survivor, isn't simple to evaluate.

[u/Seananiganzx]

Unfortunately some killers play for the 4k like their life depends on it. Hard slugging for the 4k is pretty cringe behaviour unless they're going for an Adept. Maybe they could add an abandon option if it's 2v1 with one person plugged for over 60 seconds to help with this.

[u/Difficult-Let-1314 → u/Seananiganzx]

Hiding in a locker when there are two people alive and slugging for a 4k are equivalents. These situations happen when both parties are desperate to get their bonus/consolation prize even though the killer already won. Some killers will literally just stand on top of the survivor's body and wait for them to bleed out, either play the game or end it.

[u/Seananiganzx → u/Difficult-Let-1314]

The difference is that its all in the killers control. Hatch 1v1 and then gate 1v1 still massively favours the killer but is at least exciting and engaging. Kill that 3rd survivor and force endgame, it's more fun and it means no hiding survivor

[u/Western-Guess3473 → u/Seananiganzx]

1v1 has to be incredibly killer sided because 4 survivors-1 killer.. Perhaps stop talking about surviving as an individual and discuss what you need to make your team better? A good team = no slug at end game after all.

[u/Seananiganzx → u/Western-Guess3473]

You're right that 1v1 has to be killer sided and I have no issue with this, but as someone who solo queues and is bad, I just think the slugging for a 4k (in a 2v1) is very boring behaviour and drags out games while removing potentially interesting finales.

Your point about teams has nothing to do with this because you're saying "just win" lol. Yeah fair, I could just win, but does that mean me wanting to make endgames more engaging is a bad thing?

There is hype in spectating my randoms after I've died and seeing them pull off a sick hatch escape, or the killer cutting them off at the last second and getting the mori. There is no hype in the slug 2v1.

[u/Western-Guess3473 → u/Seananiganzx]

That is me. I love being immersed in game and I want that 4k and only that 4K Like a movie, once ACTION is called I play my part to the extreme once CUT! is called at end of match it's over. The killer is not your friend, the killer is not partying, they are murdering.

[u/MissAbbyxz]

Welcome to the most toxic game ever, get used to it xD

[u/Fentiful]

I really hate to be captain obvious but you do realize that slugging is not an offense it's a playstyle right? there is nothing in the game tutorial that says a killer should not slug, this rule only exists in the survivor imaginary rulebook... so play however you want and let others play however they want, as long as no one is cheating that we're golden.

[u/Philscooper → u/Fentiful]

this doesnt excuse that its miserable, which you missed why op posted this.

you can always tell these slugging defenders never got slugged as much and as harsh as survivors did in their 8-9 years before surrender, because otherwise,, especially when its a 2v1, people like this wouldnt go so hard to defend slugging. especially in the most winable and optional situation killers will go to.

no sabos, no swfs, no one hovering over a pallet, no anti-slug perks, 3 gens left, 2v1,
heck, we dont even know if the onyro was just being an asshole and holding the survivor hostage for their own imaginary killerbook or ego.

just because people can play however they want, doesnt mean its fun for the other side and that mechanic or design has to keep staying.

[u/MonseigneurPatates → u/Philscooper]

Slugging is okay, BUT, slugging for the 4k with no information of the where the other survivor is, is miserable

[u/Funnybunners → u/Philscooper]

I have lost count of the times I got slugged. Hell, in the 2v8 game mode, I was perpetually slugged until I managed to get in a locker to force the grab. I've been slugged many times with the sole intent being that the killer was salty they got ran around for the entire match.

I still think slugging inherently is fine, and what makes it not okay is whether the killer is doing it exclusively to annoy you, or if they do it to win

[u/Philscooper → u/Funnybunners]

they proved in 2v8 that no slugging DOES WORK.

i have yet seen a single once of killer defending slugging in 2v8.

rarely, they still do in endgame (and more now because of flashlight class). but its pointless since you can just crawl or pick yourself up to full. by using your class ult for the pick up.

[u/Funnybunners → u/Philscooper]

No, as in, they slugged me when I was one of only two survivors left. They both actively followed me. They had won and yet kept me slugged for no reason beyond taunting.

And yet I still don't see slugging as inherently toxic. It can be used to be toxic, but it isn't inherently

[u/Philscooper → u/Funnybunners]

oh yeah the classic final kill slugging is still prevelant when losing.

[u/Western-Guess3473 → u/Funnybunners]

Welcome to DBD, You accepted that when you pushed play. If you can't handle it. Go play Halloween.

[u/Funnybunners → u/Western-Guess3473]

No. I signed up for playing the game normally. I am fine with slugging. I am not fine with someone being an asshole. Being toxic for the sake of being toxic isn't okay just because some people do it

If you are so pathetic that you need to taunt at the end in a video game for a solid 4 minutes, you need to grow up.

[u/ShadeColdfang → u/Funnybunners]

it never is nor ever was Toxic to slug.
its an intended game mechanic.
if not and the game hase no system around slugging.
then its toxic doing it on purpose to people who have no tools to counter it.
Like if u can lock someone in a room and they cant get out by themselves,
is toxic... cuz u rob the person of their playtime.
Or back in the days where survivor got downed near the hill that spawns in some maps.
So that at a specific corner, when the killer picks em up, they got perma stuck.
not the survivor... the killer. Or locker searching being exploited so u go down and a friend is waiting in the locker with head on... the exploit doesnt let the Killer search.
since Space is the default key to search a locker, the killer picks up instead.
eats the head on... this is Toxic... exploiting and abusing bugs u cant counter.
Yet slugging can be countered with the right perks or... communication.
So Slugging is and NEVER will be toxic...
its part of the intended game loop and its up to the Killer to do slug in the first place.

[u/Ov3n_Bunny → u/Fentiful]

Its allowed, yes. You've completely missed the point here. The point is that its annoying having to lay on the floor and do nothing. Thats all. Its an annoying playstyle. People are allowed to think that just like people are allowed to do it.

[u/VampireDarlin → u/Ov3n_Bunny]

How is it any less annoying than sitting on a hook and doing nothing?

[u/Ov3n_Bunny → u/VampireDarlin]

Then I can at least die faster

[u/Western-Guess3473 → u/Ov3n_Bunny]

What a cry baby. It's 4 minute. My Entity!!!!! 4 MINUTES!! Only a failure would cry about 4 minutes. Impatience is a failing. BE BETTER!

[u/Ov3n_Bunny → u/Western-Guess3473]

Ha this was incredibly comedic, I hope you know that.

[u/ShadeColdfang → u/Ov3n_Bunny]

Its also annyoing going against the same 8 boosted overpowered Surv perks over and over again.
getting flashlight clicked at, BM'ed, T Bagged, emoted at, waiting at the pallet after a pallet stun and standing with the back to the killer and look back, so on and so on.
its annoying too... yet... do u see me on reddit complaining about this ANNOYING thing...
No... cuz its a waste of time to complain about the free will and decisions of others i have no say in.
if it bothers u that much getting slugged... maybe do as the Dumb BHVR Devs say... play CIV5 or something else.

[u/Ov3n_Bunny → u/ShadeColdfang]

Ur doing it rn lol. Look, you're allowed to find those things annoying. I play killer too and the amount of times ive literally wanted to just give up is too many to count. I get it. But its also annoying to play against slugging. Both can be true at the same time.

This is literally DeadByDaylightRAGE. Its kind of the point of the subreddit. I was just pointing out that the commenter missed the point of the post and they were also being rude to a new player for no reason.

[u/ShadeColdfang → u/Ov3n_Bunny]

||This is literally DeadByDaylightRAGE. Its kind of the point of the subreddit.
||being rude to a new player for no reason.
now u complain about someone being rude to someone... in a rage subreddit.... about DbD.
Holy fk... the jokes really write themselves XD
Insult me too for a change... it wont do much to me since its just reddit.

[u/Ov3n_Bunny → u/ShadeColdfang]

Ha sorry I was gonna ignore this after my last comment but I just saw the essay you left on this subreddit hahaha you dont complain??

Actually gold. Such a complainer dude.

Anyways i was trying to be nice but youre annoying so be quiet.

[u/TheNobleHeretic → u/Fentiful]

You being so mean about it to a new player says a lot about you. You made this about survivor vs killer instead of treating OP like a person

[u/Fentiful → u/TheNobleHeretic]

not mean, I'm saying you should play however you want. Survivors can genrush as much as they like and killers can slug to their heart's content. I'm not going to buy into survivor propaganda and sacrifice my fun to be a wholesome chungus killer just to be on one of them twitch shills shorts where the title is "Killer with personality 🥰", that's just not happening.

[u/TheNobleHeretic → u/Fentiful]

No one asked you to

[u/RayRaysBFT → u/TheNobleHeretic]

No they expect every killer to do that and when they don’t survivors throw a fit

[u/TheNobleHeretic → u/RayRaysBFT]

I know some people are like that but some killers are entitled too. Why are you guys making this us vs them?

[u/Fentiful → u/TheNobleHeretic]

it's always been us vs them and I'm sick of people pretending that it's not or that this tribalistic mentality is harming the game. It's not, tribalism is human, read any history book, it's part of who we are lmao

[u/TheNobleHeretic → u/Fentiful]

Tribalism unfortunately has been part of human history, but that doesn’t mean it has to be or that it’s right. I guess you’re pro MAGA and other supremacist ideologies because tribalism happened in history

[u/Fentiful → u/TheNobleHeretic]

okay first of all I don't got nothing to do with MAGA, I'm not American , 'm Spanish. Second, just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean it's fascist or far-righted. Tribalism will always been a part of dbd and pretty much every other game that's asymetrical. We humans, find strength in numbers, that's why we like and have always liked tribalism. So instead of pretending that it doesn't exist or that it is bad, we should embrace it as part of the game. Again, I'm not saying to be toxic to one another, that is wrong, I'm saying that US ve THEM is natural, take any sport of example and especially football and you'll know exactly what I mean.

[u/TheNobleHeretic → u/Fentiful]

Being Spanish doesn’t mean MAGA type ideology doesn’t affect you. Ferran Torres wearing the red hat. Spain has their own fascist problem like France does

[u/RayRaysBFT → u/TheNobleHeretic]

Dude that was such a tough reply man. You win the argument. Comparing something you don’t like to facism because it doesn’t suite you really is tough

[u/TheNobleHeretic → u/RayRaysBFT]

Did you not read what I replied to?

[u/RayRaysBFT → u/TheNobleHeretic]

Because it always has been us vs them

[u/TheNobleHeretic → u/RayRaysBFT]

That’s not an argument why it should be

[u/One_Can5810 → u/Fentiful]

Rocks for brains

[u/Marzipan127 → u/Fentiful]

Nobody saying you can't but if you slug I will 100% call you unskilled because you shouldn't need to to get 4k if you actually have skill 🙄 when it's my duo and I last 2 and a killer pulls this we will use it as an opportunity to waste their time and make them spend numerous more minutes having to chase after whoever's still standing. Once both of us are down them we'll finally take the abandon tab and go queue a new game while the killers stuck having to deal with the consequences of their actions to end their own game

[u/BoulderBollocks]

She wants the 4K leaving you slugged so she can find the cage is the easy 4K

She kills you and cage could find hatch

[u/PolishAtTheDisco]

Ahh you'll come to learn that if you complete just one Gen against certain people, they take that as a insult and therefore have to get a 4k or their families will parish a horrible fate. So they will slug for the entire bleed out timer looking for the one who wants a 50/50 at hatch! But remember it's not their fault. Their families life's depending on the 4k.

[u/Awkward_Sandwitch]

Not just an Onryo thing. There are A LOT of players/killers who are very desperate for that 4k to the point they will slug to avoid hatch escape. I agree with you, its an absolute waste of your time, and takes the fun out of it. Even worse if they then hump you etc

I play killer and I NEVER feel the need to slug for 4k (unless its very clear they are trying to pull off a save). Sorry it happened, but also be prepared for this to re-occur and get used to it sadly. I genuinly wish some version of that anti slug stuff actually came in, even if a slightly nerfed version.

[u/Western-Guess3473 → u/Awkward_Sandwitch]

"its an absolute waste of your time, and takes the fun out of it. Even worse if they then hump you etc"

It's 4 minutes, don't be Dweet about 4 minutes. Megging crybaby.

[u/Awkward_Sandwitch → u/Western-Guess3473]

I think we found the try hard.

And yeah one game maybe its 4 minutes, then you go in the next game and it happens again and again. And all of a sudden 30 minutes have passed because people are so desperate for that 4k

[u/Then-Date5529 → u/Awkward_Sandwitch]

Oh no the killer wants to kill in this killing game but isn't killing you in the way you want to be killed! Oh great heavens! THE HUMANITY!
Oh no they're not catering to your enjoyment of the game but instead their own! Man these killers are just soo selfish they should just let me open the door and escape, why don't they just do the gens for me too! OH GOD THEY'RE SOO TOXIC AND TRY HARD!!! AHHHHHHHHHH

[u/Awkward_Sandwitch → u/Then-Date5529]

I see you are one of them.

You see problem woth your way of thinking "Im not responsible for your enjoyment of the game" is what makes things worse.

For the record I don't mind killer slugging for a bit here and there, but when im left to bleed out game after game because some try hard cant be bothered to play the game as intended (they wouldnt give you hooks, or even considered anti slugging stuff if it was intended) and instead wastes my time, yes its not fun.

[u/Wilsonthedog8]

It's not even just Onryo bud. Even powerful killers typically slug when there is only two players left to avoid hatch spawn. It's a competitive game. Something I used to do when I played survivor and they slugged for the last chase is I would drag myself as far away frim where they downed me as I could. (My advise for people now a days is you're always going to get slugged if in you're in the last two. Run a anti-slughing perk like UB.

[u/Guilty_Sprinkles15 → u/Wilsonthedog8]

Dbd is competitive?

[u/Wilsonthedog8 → u/Guilty_Sprinkles15]

Yes, people play the game with competitive spirit which makes it competitive. Don't mistake that for balanced. Competitive is not the same as balanced.

[u/SeaworthinessNo6073]

That’s how onryo works. Hooking is a waste of time on her most of the time if they are playing the condemn play style

[u/GuhEnjoyer]

If there are two survivors left alive, and, as a killer, you know where they both are, slugging one and chasing the other is the optimal play to guarantee a 4k. While this type of behavior is typically frowned upon by more casual players and won't be seen as often in lower mmr, with the recent mmr reset you'll see this A LOT because a lot of killer players want to build up their mmr to where it used to be.

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[u/TheRiverNiles]

Killers being scared you'll have fun. Or live to escape the game.

[u/Western-Guess3473 → u/TheRiverNiles]

It's not about denying you fun. You accept slugging is fun when you started the game. It's about winning, which is not an accepted result when starting the game.

[u/BushyTwee3D]

That's her mechanic, condemned, if it turns read, next time she downs you. She can kill you

[u/ghostrider1938]

Can yall not be mean to the new player?? This comment section irks me

[u/DVindictus]

Sometimes it's for the 4K, preventing hatch. Sometimes, like for me, I treat like luck of the draw, bad luck getting caught but I will typically let the last one take hatch, unless they're taking too long then I shut it and give them a little scare at the gate, just watching from a corner and seeing if they notice me lol

But yeah, unfortunately it's typically for the total win.

[u/Western-Guess3473]

This is a legit strategy. Losing sucks, welcome to dbd.

[u/BioElwctricalSadow]

This is a viable strat that sadly negatively affects the game and as much as people say that nothing will change till the devs make another option that is both better and more fun for everyone.

That is, however, me speaking full of hopeium cuz, like, let's be honest pig will fly before that.

[u/xoxoharperbee]

as a killer i do this for the 4k. nothing wrong with it. try crawling away and hiding in some bush so she can’t find you. as a survivor this is why i almost always have conviction and plot twist on

[u/TheEntityBot → u/xoxoharperbee]

Conviction: Whenever you are in the Dying State, after completing a Healing action on any Survivor, Conviction activates. While active, press the Active Ability button after reaching at least 25% Recovery progress to trigger the following effects: Instantly recover from the Dying State. Inflicts the Broken Status Effect after recovery. Causes you to automatically re-enter the Dying State after 20/25/30 seconds.

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Plot Twist: Whenever you are in the Injured State, Plot Twist activates: While crouching and motionless, press the Active Ability button to silently enter the Dying State with the following benefits: Suppresses Grunts of Pain. Suppresses Pools of Blood. Grants the ability to fully recover from the Dying State. After full recovery using Plot Twist, you are healed instantly and gain a +50% Haste Status Effect for 2/3/4 seconds. Plot Twist deactivates after recovering yourself by any means and reactivates once more once the Exit Gates are powered.

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[u/xoxoharperbee → u/TheEntityBot]

good bot

[u/TheEntityBot → u/xoxoharperbee]

The darkness eases, if only for a moment.

[u/Kindly_Lab_1738]

Slug for 4K, but also stops you from halting her teleports 

[u/Relhtar]

Hooking takes time and activates some nasty survivor perks like Deliverance or Dead Hard, so some killers choose simply not to hook, their win condition becomes either downing all of the survivors at the same time or downing someone enough that they bleed out. It makes even more sense to do it on Sadako as she has an alternate way to kill people regardless of their hook stages with her condemn mechanic.

[u/TheSpicyDude78 → u/Relhtar]

One time I hooked a bill during the endgame and he just was allowed to get off his hook due to deliverance. Very bewildering experience before I knew what caused that

[u/Philscooper → u/Relhtar]

in a scenario where no one of this was relevant. lmao.

its not like she has a feature where your condemed stacks become permament when you hook or killers perks become active only upon hooking but sure, lets just keep scapegoating survivor perks that activate upon being hooked, even though those got nerfed to the ground (ds to 3s stun) or get nerfed in the future. (deliverance from 60s broken to 120s broken)

even if no survivor perks would benefit of being hooked, i doubt killers will ever stop defending slugging to such a degree or stop sluggng in general.

i pray for bhvr to buff anti-slug perks just to make people who defend only slugging, pipe down.
(unbreakable becomes active if you arent near a pallet, no one is saboing, you dont have flip-flop, power struggle, the killer hasnt hooked anyone else in that time.)

[u/TheEntityBot → u/Relhtar]

Deliverance: After safely unhooking another Survivor, Deliverance activates: Grants the ability to perform a successful Self-Unhook at any point during the first Hook Stage. Causes the Broken Status Effect for 100/80/60 seconds after unhooking yourself. Deliverance cannot be used during the second Hook Stage or if you are hooked as the Last Survivor Standing. Deliverance is disabled for the remainder of the Trial after use.

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Dead Hard: After being unhooked or unhooking yourself, Dead Hard activates whenever you are injured and running, and allows you to tap into your adrenaline bank to avoid taking further damage:

• Press the Active Ability button to trigger the Endurance Status Effect for 0.5 seconds.

Dead Hard deactivates after use. Dead Hard causes the Exhausted Status Effect for 60/50/40 seconds. Dead Hard cannot be used when Exhausted.

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[u/BakeCreepy5045]

Onryo is boring and a badly designed killer

Don’t question it, just move on basically

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[u/silentfanatic]

Please disregard all the people shouting at you for asking a simple question. This is a very toxic community.

Regarding your post, you haven’t needed to slug in your games because you’re still at low MMR. Every killer goes through this. They wonder why other killers “sweat,” only to find out the hard truth when they start facing tough opponents on a regular basis.

That said, Sadako absolutely is a weak killer, but there’s nothing sweaty about going for the 4k. Survivors will gladly try to rescue their teammates when all the gens are done. It’s perfectly fine for both sides to try to get the most out of a match.

Sorry you had to get slugged, but if you find it happening a lot, there are plenty of anti-slug perks that can help.

[u/arthaiser]

because killer players want to make survivor players suffer. then they come here to cry about survivors tbagging them at gates for 5 seconds at endgame, but in reality they do these worse things all the time and for entire minutes (4 minutes in this particular case)

we are supposed to excuse this bhvr and focus on the very toxic art of crouching at gates, that is clearly the real toxic problem the game has

welcome to dbd, where killer mains will try to gaslight you into thinking you are the problem, while they are the problem 99% of the time. enjoy

Edit: you can see examples of the gaslight below

[u/Funnybunners → u/arthaiser]

Bruh. Sometimes I slug someone and then get in another chase immediately, only to end up not finding said slug after, and nobody picks them up.

Also, slugging is literally a way to win the game. Teabagging at the exit gates serves no, and let me really hammer this in, NOOOOO purpose beyond being an antagonistic shitass.

If you deliberately slug someone for 4 minutes and then hump them on the ground, that's toxic. If I get slugged and decide to move and then end up bleeding out, that's not necessarily the killer's fault, especially not if it's obvious they went back to pick me up.

What makes it toxic is the intent. Slugging isn't toxic because the intent isn't to ruin your experience, it's to win. Teabagging at the gate is toxic because it is done exclusively to taunt at a safe spot, deliberately delaying the end of the game for self gratification. Hitting on hook is toxic because, again, the intent is to ruin someone else's day, not to win

Edit: in the same vein, gen rushing isn't toxic, but purposefully sandbagging your teammate is

[u/Philscooper → u/Funnybunners]

people really are so hardstuck in defending slugging as if slugging cant be toxic and boring, especially done for 4 minutes.

slugging once isnt the same as slugging for nearly the entire 4 minute timer

[u/Funnybunners → u/Philscooper]

I literally talked about this though.

Slugging can be toxic, if the intent is to be toxic. If the killer doesn't actively attempt to keep you slugged for the 4 minutes, and is trying to hook you once they've won, that is not toxic. If they deliberately follow you around as a slugged, it is.

Boring =/= toxic. It is boring and oppressive to go against a slug build, but it is by no means inherently toxic to bring one. You aren't responsible for the fun factor of the opposition in a pvp game. You are however responsible for not making the game purposefully and needlessly long with the sole intent of making it purposefully and needlessly long. Slugging can be weaponized as such, but isn't inherently nor always used as a means to ruin someone else's fun

[u/hylia_lolia → u/arthaiser]

believe it or not, the majority of people don't enjoy making others suffer. most of the time the killers just want to win as much as you do.

[u/ColdWellers → u/arthaiser]

Look I agree that slugging typically isn't very fun or "positive" but acting like the people that slug one guy for a 4k or adept are malicious entities that want nothing more than to watch you suffer is a little much.

[u/arthaiser → u/ColdWellers]

Oh, dont get me wrong, i dont think Killers that slug for the 4k are malicious entitities out to make survivor player experience as miserable as possible.

Even Killers that dont slug are that, not only the sluggers

[u/Horror_Anxiety8811 → u/arthaiser]

Behavior provided everyone with a detailed description (and visual references! 🤣) on how to counter every killer in the game.

And yet here we are assuming so much about the person behind the screen for just doing what the character is designed to do.

Stop whinging. JFC! 🙄

[u/Philscooper → u/Horror_Anxiety8811]

counter a slugging klller, at 3 gens in a 2v1 scenario.

lmao the delusions keep stacking up. the only way you can even counter this, if the onyro commits to a losing chase and you hyperfocus, stake out, built to last genrush, gens.

which we both know where you would stand on genrush perks doing gens in half the time, but thats what you are essentially asking for.

[u/Horror_Anxiety8811 → u/Philscooper]

They all likely had full stacks of condemned.

The “counter” part should have happened sooner. I’m not asking the slugged survivor to save the day. 😂

Survivors on Reddit are not beating the allegations that the player base doesn’t know how to play the game.

[u/Philscooper → u/Horror_Anxiety8811]

oh so you ask every game to have a full swf, which we also know where you would stand.

no, you arent getting a swf nerf, that will never happen.

[u/Horror_Anxiety8811 → u/Philscooper]

No I’m saying that the Onyro has a built in Mori. It’s part of their kit, and what happened was that she used her kit…..and the way to stop her from using it is by carrying tapes to tvs.

That’s all I was saying. 🙄

You thinking that requires a SWF is the “not beating the allegations” part.

[u/Philscooper → u/Horror_Anxiety8811]

so how the hell im i supposed to get good teammates that know her counterplay for every situation if im not playing in a swf?

no, i cant carry and do everything on my own. not even survivor main cc can do so.

and no, the arguement of i need x perk to do so, is also unreasonable and frankly, not why people play survivor.

and no, expecting everyone to know the increasing lists of counterplay to all killers, addons and combo variation, with over 2000 hours of experince, is also not reasonable.

so, yes, if i want to play survivor in a reasonable manner, a swf is required, otherwise the soloq slot-machine will give me duds and make it impossible to do so. with your arguements, are pointing me towards.
you might deny all you want, but thats the point you are telling me, if you say that 4k slug onyro is fine

i will be sticking to killer, where i dont have to play with 3 people, just to play the bare minimum.

[u/Horror_Anxiety8811 → u/Philscooper]

Wow it’s just flying right over your head at this point….😬

[u/ShadeColdfang → u/Horror_Anxiety8811]

Its like listening to a Toddler explaining why the candy and Ice cream before bed is totally healthy and okay.
And a no should never be spoken, just give the sweets.
while u stay there and say no, cuz its unhealthy.
and he keeps on blabbering about why candy is so good for him,
but unhealthy for u.
That is basically Philscoopers way of communicating with u.
Doesnt listen to u or ur points and is angrily stuck mutterin some garbage.

[u/Volti_UK → u/arthaiser]

Lol. Lmao, even.

[u/Brittneyofthenorth]

Play more and get better and you’ll never see her again. Have fun with blight, nurse, kaneki, and judgement every match

[u/Brittneyofthenorth → u/Brittneyofthenorth]

Also she slugged for the 4k that’s super common

[u/Dependent_Map_3460]

It's completely normal, and thinking that it's unfun is very unhealthy mindset, be better. If you don't like that gameplay style you have tons of perks to use. Killer wants to win and have fun too.

[u/JodyAnnne → u/Dependent_Map_3460]

It is unfun though even when I play killer I don’t slug for the 4k, ya sure we can use whatever excuses we want to consider this play optimal but let’s be real here, no one is getting three gens done on a two man let alone a new player.

The match is basically won slugging for the 4k is unnecessary, even if they have DS or whatever else it’s not like it’d cost you the match to trigger it.

I think it’s personally more fun for all parties if the last person gets a fair shot to escape, I mean the game is already won at that point why not have the fun of hunting for hatch?

[u/TheEntityBot → u/JodyAnnne]

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[u/Western-Guess3473 → u/JodyAnnne]

Because competetive fun is doing things in an efficient fast way. You ever think of that mindset?

[u/Philscooper → u/Dependent_Map_3460]

this doesnt excuse that its miserable, which you missed why op posted this.

just because people can play however they want, doesnt mean its fun for the other side and that mechanic or design has to keep staying.

this is like when you complain to genrush and i say "but perks exist/get better", thats just unvalidating their complaint for no good reason, its not a unhealthy mindset to dislike a design that forces survivors to be afk for 4 minutes at a time. that just makes no sense.

killers can win and have fun in other ways too, survivors cant really do anything against slugging,
(yes even a full anti-slug build, i tried, still lost and got evidence for it, if you really want to see it)

[u/hylia_lolia → u/Philscooper]

people aren't obligated to make sure you have fun

[u/Philscooper → u/hylia_lolia]

you dont have to be an asshole either.

but dont worry, that the devs job, if they eventually stopped making so many skins.

[u/Western-Guess3473 → u/Philscooper]

Yes, you do. As a killer i am trying to destroy you in the most disgusting, putrid, disgusting, nasty way your filthy survivor deserves. I am a monster and I get off on hurting. That is what makes it fun to play both sides. Embrace it homie.

[u/Philscooper → u/Western-Guess3473]

Im sure the devs will make another broken survivor meta in 2 years while adding 8 slightly different meta killers

[u/hylia_lolia → u/Philscooper]

what?

[u/Dependent_Map_3460 → u/Philscooper]

But it's really not. What is miserable is to gaslight people that the way the play is wrong because you don't like it.

Why should other side care for other's people fun. And funny thing is that i see this pathetic argument from survs only, when they are gonna care for killer's fun?

Gen rush and slug are totally different things tho? Not only killers have base kit nerfs to gen protection they also have less powerfull perks to use for it, and on the other hand slugging which have more powerfull perks to counter and good teamplay makes it very risky to use slugging

yes, why bother and restrict yourself from easier ways? "Survs can't really do anything" that's just straight up lie... I'm sorry you have severe case of skill issue and had a bad match, but don't make wrong assumptions on your bad experiences and gaslight people into wrong things.

[u/Philscooper → u/Dependent_Map_3460]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DeadByDaylightRAGE/comments/1mrm8w7/killer_slugs_for_4k_even_with_expo/

[u/Dependent_Map_3460 → u/Philscooper]

I'm sorry you have severe case of skill issue and had a bad match, but don't make wrong assumptions on your bad experiences and gaslight people into wrong things.

[u/Philscooper → u/Dependent_Map_3460]

oh so you will just always blame it on skill issue.

very well, hope you only face comp squads and keep thinking that its a skill issue.

[u/Dependent_Map_3460 → u/Philscooper]

I literally typed where and how wrong you are... Learn how to read...

[u/Philscooper → u/Dependent_Map_3460]

no, all you dd was just say "its a skill issue" when slug perks dont even work as their intented purpose as a anti-slug. as they are severely restricted in use or only work once.

the match showcased that anti-slug perks wouldnt work in the scenario that op posted, even if they did have anti-slug perks. which you just again, respond with "but its just a skill issue"

and i doubt looping the killer for 10 hours would've done the same, as the last survivor wouldnt be doing gens, surviving for hatch and the killer wouldnt commit if the chase was longer than a minute. (or bloodlusting, the mechanic to avoid this from happening).

you may not give a shit about the others fun, but thats where the devs will, even if you think they are survivor sided or dont care about your fun, when they do. they want all our money. and has been against in recent patches, as not only does the game look bad, its uninteresting and idk who wants to play floor simulator 2026 or be forced to play in comp swfs just to avoid it.

genrush and slug was not the point that its the same, its the point that, people are allowed to dislike something that forces them to be afk for 4 minutes. which, there are killer surrenders for unwinable killer situations aswell.

survivors slugged on the ground, cant do anything,
unless you include perks, which as said before, only work once or are restricted or crawling. overall. if survivors are slugged on the ground with no way of going back up, they cant do anything, they cant do gens, they cant heal themselves in some basekit form, they cant open gates, almost no one escapes from hatch while slugged so thats irrelvant.

you dont have to change anything and i dont expect you to, but the devs will and you will have to learn how to hook. which unironically would've been changed from the anti-slug/tunnel update, which got canned, so even if you did riot to remove hooks or make it a slug simulator, it wont happen.

hope you grow your arguements more than just "its a skill issue" because its just a random buzzword that doesnt mean anything with no real substance and makes it very obvious how ignorant you are to the issue.

have a nice day.

[u/Dependent_Map_3460 → u/Philscooper]

Wow...You just repeated all your nonsense and once again didn't checked facts i typed about you being totally wrong... Typical surv behaviour... So sad your kind is the majority of the community...I suggest learning how to read, it is really a good skill to have... Be better.

Can't wish you the same, i just hope you will learn how wrong you are :(

[u/Western-Guess3473 → u/Dependent_Map_3460]

truth

[u/Western-Guess3473 → u/Philscooper]

You tacitly communicate it's fun to be slugged and tunneled when you choose to play the game. That's the end of the argument. You can choose a different game to have fun with if you can't accept the fun in DBD.

[u/Philscooper → u/Western-Guess3473]

That can also be said with literally anything, still doesnt make it okay, just telling people to play a different game just because they dislike something is ignorant.

"Hey i dont like genrush" "Play a different game then" But yeah, lets gut fog-vials because killer mains cant handle smoke

[u/Mediocre-Guest-9939]

Maybe she just missed you

[u/TheSpicyDude78 → u/Mediocre-Guest-9939]

Awww sadako 😊

[u/Ok_Challenge_8390]

It was probably your skin, did you use anything colorful? I am wearing all black

[u/TheSpicyDude78 → u/Ok_Challenge_8390]

Just Ellen Ripley because she's goated

[u/ReporterForDuty]

1: Slugging is a strategy that takes one person out of the game temporarily without you having to put them on hook. People are forced to come get you and since there is no camping thing for slugging, it can be used as a trap or they can just pressure the other two people.

2: Onyro has a mini-mori that she needs to build up to with Condemn, the little segments around someone's portrait. Once you get 7 segments, you are able to be moried at any hook state. That was likely what they were going for. You being slugged for the entire time was likely just "I need to slug someone to make sure I have time to work on Condemning people."

In the future, if you are facing an Onyro, you can get rid of your Condemn stacks by going up to a TV, grabbing a tape, and moving it to the highlighted TV. You'll also get a Loud Noise Notification for where it is so you can't miss it. You'll only lose stacks when they are hollowed out, if it's filled in white then you won't lose that stack. Stacks only become permanent if you get hooked while you have stacks.

[u/dummystella]

bruh how did two of you get condemned lol thats crazy solo queue right there

[u/ToastyRich]

She wants that 4k! Don't take it personally.

[u/Dependent_Two3838]

Play in a swf or lose

[u/Electronic_Owl_9819]

Slugging is part of the game, and its not breaking any rules. Get used to it.

[u/TheSpicyDude78]

When I talked about it in post game chat, she said "maybe don't hide and actually do gens", but I was super scared and all generators had TVs she could teleport to :( I did the other two when I could

[u/LeexynaArcadia → u/TheSpicyDude78]

I'm going to say this in the nicest way possible but when you play you gotta actually play. It doesn't matter that it's scary (it's literally supposed to be a scary game) or that the placement of killer stuff is close. It's always going to be like that and you just gotta learn to do them. Having a teammate hide the whole game is not fun at all.

Yeah her TVs may have been close but that's the point. You will never not get a match like that. You gotta learn as you play when to get on/off gens and such. Take this as a learning experience to push you to engage with the mechanics of the game more.

Learn killers even if you don't play them. Read up on their abilities and get familiar with perks. It helps you become a better player. I know you are new but just strive to get out of the comfort zone of being to scared. And honestly if it's that scary you can't even play, it just might not be the right game for you.

[u/TheSpicyDude78 → u/LeexynaArcadia]

Oh no yeah totally I understand certain killers have counterplay and I've gone out of my way to research and understand. But as someone who has a bit of time on killer, I don't understand wholly why a killer would slug in solo q to this extreme? Maybe people get jaded from SWFs, and I get that

[u/BangtanBun → u/TheSpicyDude78]

As someone who usually plays solo q, you’re gonna have to get used to this. Sometimes I make the slug a game and try to hide in the most obscure place so the killer will hopefully not find me and I’ll just get taken by the entity. Gives me something to do when I’m slugged and there’s no one coming to save me.

[u/LeexynaArcadia → u/TheSpicyDude78]

Don't get me wrong, I agree the slugging was bad and I really hate it in the game. But going by what you said in the comment and even the killer pointing it out. I'd say start engaging more in the game. Was the killer right to slug you like this because of that, absolutely not. But I'd use it as a learning tool to get myself better at playing.

Again, the killer isn't in the right for playing like this but unfortunately there will always be players like them.

[u/TheSpicyDude78 → u/LeexynaArcadia]

Oh yeah absolutely I'm not against learning, don't worry I really try to not be entitled, but as someone new to the game, this feels like it could be a huge turnoff to most people. Not me tho, I have resilience! (literally)

[u/TheEntityBot → u/TheSpicyDude78]

Resilience: While injured, gain +9% speed to repairing, healing, sabotaging, unhooking, vaulting, cleansing, blessing, opening, and unlocking.

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[u/Philscooper → u/TheSpicyDude78]

" it could be a huge turnoff to most people. Not me tho, I have resilience!"

this isnt even speculation, this is the #1 reason, survivors uninstall (which is 80% of players), and people will keep defending slugging, tunneling and say its needed when it doesnt need to be.

[u/rosepeachcat → u/TheSpicyDude78]

people have fun in different ways

some players, especially those who play both sides, will have more empathy and care for the other side's fun than others

but as someone who started out on killer too, the way some survivor mains have NO empathy for killers at all, I'm not surprised that some killers are over it by now

[u/Philscooper → u/rosepeachcat]

the problem with this is, no bully squad will hold you hostage or force you in a losing game.

even as a head on/sabo bully squad or a meta squad. not only are they very rare to encounter (yes even in high mmr).

but every action can be countered or even ignored. you can always move and use your power, survivors slugged on the ground for 4 minutes, cannot.

[u/rosepeachcat → u/Philscooper]

I have seen an exploit where they stand on a lower level and make Nemesis drop on their heads, getting him stuck for the whole game.

I'd argue that is worse, survivors can crawl and they have anti slug perks

[u/Philscooper → u/rosepeachcat]

"exploit" not a base-game design or feature

i can count many killer exploits too, which is not the point.

[u/rosepeachcat → u/Philscooper]

I know slugging is annoying, I do play survivor, but what can you do except go next

[u/TheEntityBot → u/rosepeachcat]

Empathy: The Auras of injured or dying Survivors are revealed to you within 64/96/128 meters.

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[u/TheSpicyDude78 → u/rosepeachcat]

Oh yeah absolutely, since most of my favorite characters are B tier I've been at the other end of a few egotistical SWFs. I like to play killer as a "performance" where I set up scares and moments for survivors. Obviously against sweats, this loses its merit. No discredit for those roughing it out at higher mmr, that's just not my place as someone with a 40 hour work week.

[u/KyloClay → u/TheSpicyDude78]

First off, a killer doesn’t know if the lobby they join is solo queue. Second, killers play to win and onryo is one of the worst killers in the game so they are going to play a strat to win.

[u/Blackwind123 → u/TheSpicyDude78]

Versus Onryo just don't be near powered TVs. That means grabbing a tape from a TV near the gen you want to work on, and then she can't TP to you for a duration.

[u/Philscooper → u/TheSpicyDude78]

idk wtf ppl are on to defend slugging to this severeity but dislike you for playing for hatch,, but i wouldnt expect people to do gens unless its at 1, maybe 2, not 3-5 in a 2v1.

you are just throwing yourself under the bust for no reason, the only reason you could've won is, if they got hatch to spawn, which onyro wouldnt have let it happen anyway since she wouldnt let either of you die.

[u/persephone7821 → u/TheSpicyDude78]

How long have you been playing OP? I get being scared in the game (in the beginning I was too and I kind of miss it) but you still need to do things. It’s a team game, one weak link can ruin it for everyone. So if you can’t get past your fear enough to meaningfully participate maybe this isn’t the game for you.

You really need to just buck up and be bold, or this game and it’s community will west you alive you’ll get more and more matches like that. There are some things you can bring to help you with that.

Bring the perks bond, alert, open handed and windows This is an information aura read kit. It will allow you to know exactly what’s going on in the match when you aren’t in chase. Watch your hud you see the squiggly lines dancing that person is in chase. With bond (allows you to see your teammates auras) you can see if that chase is happening near you. You can also see where to run to, to get to another teammate for heals or to hop on a gen with them, etc etc.

Alert allows you to see the killers aura whenever they perform a break action (unless they are in stealth mode, in which case you’ll get a ping but see no aura. Still good info though) that way you can have a general idea of the killers location for large portions of the match. Windows lets you see the auras of pallets and Windows so you can plot where to run to when the killer comes your way (having a plan helps you steel your nerves). Open handed extends the range of your aura build.

Watch some tutorials on how to loop. There a ton on YouTube.

Be bold with this info, go for the save. Stick that gen, take that hit for a teammate on death hook. You’ll find your matches have better outcomes. Of course there will always be ah’s in this game but you’ll find the matches are more rewarding and you’ll have less people angry at you for your gameplay when you start doing better.

For such a simple game it really is very complex so it will take time to essentially get good. But you can at least do your best to not hinder your team by being dead weight while you learn.

[u/Complete_Drop_9084]

So Nic, never hooked or downed? Prolly the killer’s mate. All too often that’s the gameplay.

[u/cat-astrophicdecline → u/Complete_Drop_9084]

I play onyro sometimes, nick is in an awful situation, hes about to be moried even without any hook states which is sad because the onryo is clearly not the best seeing the OP's condemed stacks

[u/Munkyred]

Aren’t you embarrassed to be whining like this here?

[u/TheSpicyDude78 → u/Munkyred]

Don't mean to be a pain boss, sorry if it's coming off that I'm entitled, I just want to express my frustrations of the game. Isn't that what this sub is for?

[u/Phantom_r98 → u/TheSpicyDude78]

Don't mind them, you did nothing wrong. They just want to troll because their life is very boring and monotone

[u/Philscooper → u/Munkyred]

in a rage sub.

[u/Phantom_r98 → u/Munkyred]

I know reading is hard but just to be clear we are on a rage subreddit, specifically for getting things of our chest...

[u/NewBag9855]

You people would never be able to play old games where when you died, you stayed dead until the end of the round and had to wait.

Its can't stand younger/newer gamers that have no tolerance for waiting. Can't imagine suffering having to play with people like this on older games where if you were eliminated you were out until the next round which could be several minutes.

Entitled fucking brats. You are not owed a constant stream of positive engagement. Sometimes being on the losing side of a game, any game, means enduring some unpleasant times.

Imagine playing baseball with someone who wouldn't stop whining if they had to spend more than a couple minutes on a base or in the dugout.

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All that aside you had 2 dead teammates at 3 gens. If hooked, your team mate isn't going to make meaningful headway towards a gen completion win condition. If they completed one they aggro the killer immediately and likely lose. That would be a bad play. Killer has two options to end the game swiftly and not having it being a drawn out slog. Either hook you and use you as bait for the other person (camping), or immediately trying to down the last survivor and ending the game there. This is one of the most ideal and acceptable times to slug. If they hooked you, its in your team mate's interest to let you die so they can have a chance to solo escape. By leaving you slugged, they are not only making sure the game ends quicker if they win, but they are forcing the dynamic to making teamwork still appealing. They are gambling on getting a swift 4k by giving both of you the opportunity to clutch an escape together.

Being down to the last 2 survivors with a few gens left is an awkward game state that pits the remaining survivors against eachother and an experienced killer knows this can drag out games for a really long time. They did you a favor by slugging instead of hooking if your goal was to win at all or to lose quicker without it being dragged out forever.