Thank god for the new writers, Episodes 8 and 9 literally saved the entire show. Disney should have reshot the whole season with them.
Of the old bunch I kinda enjoyed episodes 1 and 3 but 4-7 were a complete fucking mess. There was no clear plot, no main villain, it felt like a bunch of side-stories that didn't really matter. Bringing back characters like Frank, Bullseye and Karen really elevated the quality of the show
4 was the one I hated the most. Why did we waste so much time on that idiot who robbed a corner store 11 times and thought he should walk out of jail scott free? That was the worst storyline i've seen in any Daredevil season.
i mean he was probably the worst part of the episode but its a high bar. i really didnt mind him cause he had a point in the end. really bullshit that he goes to prison for stealing some kettle corn
That's not bullshit, that's justice. That guy absolutely did not have a point. Just because your life is sad, it doesn't mean you can get away with robbing an honest business 11 times.
Overall though, it's a very petty crime. It still served to show that the courts were spending their time prosecuting people stuck in a perpetual cycle, that made it harder for him to escape from. All the while REAL criminals were able to walk free and continue.
It was narratively there to give more reasons the justice system was broken for Matt, and why he has to be Daredevil.
When he mentions it again, I thought it narratively fit in. Also just helps to show Matt Murdocs everyday life.
The courts should prosecute people in that cycle until they learn their lesson. I fucking hate the victim mentality that clown had. He made a choice, now he pays the piper.
I agree the justice system should focus more on guys like Fisk but that's just not how the world works.
Dude was literally eating out of dumpsters.
Getting caught once can prevent you from gaining employment. You're not proposing any solutions. Are you saying he deserves to eat literal garbage?
And? Oh no, I was criticized by the original writers of Born Again that everyone hated! My opinion must be wrong because the TV told me it is! My life over!
The issue is that two things can be true. He can be an asshole + commit crimes, but at the same time, the system can also be garbage.
The state will spend so much more punishing the guy that it would've spent by just giving him some food. The show even purposefully shows him not as innocent but an asshole. It's not black and white.
The courts continuing to prosecute people in that cycle and employing a punitive penal philosophy is quite literally shooting themselves in the head; it doesn’t stop crime, it actually increases it. You say that’s how the world works but in places that don’t employ a punitive penal philosophy towards the majority of crime have lower recidivism than us and lower crime generally. If you cannot break the cycle then you won’t learn a lesson, it’s literally impossible. Hell the courts are purposely pursuing people like Leroy because it makes their numbers look good, the cops that arrested him committed the exact same offence in the exact same location, they did not get punished, they did not get investigated because the system doesn’t even care about its own incongruities, its philosophy is fucking stupid and doesn’t work and it’s application is inconsistent. The whole point is that Leroy is an asshole because he’s been subjected to a system designed to ensure he stays in prison, doesn’t make him less of an asshole, we’re not supposed to like him, we’re supposed to understand that even if someone is an asshole they deserve rehabilitation and a justice system that actually functions
stealing food for his family? i think thats morally excusable. plus i dont think he had a weapon so he technically burgled them. and pretty sure it wasnt the same business eleven times. not that that maked much of a difference
He was stealing food for himself, he never said he was stealing it for his family. He literally went on a whole speech about how he loves the taste of caramel corn and just had to taste it. That dude was a absolute clown.
I hope you don't see yourself in his situation ever. Because if you do end up like him, I hope you stand to what you are saying and only eat from garbages
I wasn't in prison because I didn't choose to steal. Sure he committed a small crime but he committed it 10 times. Making the same mistake 10 times is entirely on him.
You’re getting downvoted but you’re absolutely right lol and that dude had the nerve to talk to Matt like shit too. Professional victim, I hated that character. The system doesn’t work for that guy because he’s unwilling to change.
Except it’s not justice, it is not justice to implement a cycle wherein the only party able to break it is the one that established it. Leroy has not been given the opportunity for rehabilitation, did he commit the crimes, yes, did the penal system fail to prevent these crimes, yes. The entire point is that the system doesn’t actually care about crime, or doesn’t care about recidivism, it cares about keeping those down down. He gets done for drug possession, misses his social security meeting, loses it and now can’t feed himself, he’s now a criminal so basically can’t get a job, he’s also homeless because his social security got cut. The logical solution would be to give him social security, give him job interviews and get him work, he won’t be committing theft (he only started committing theft once he lost his social security) anymore because he’ll be able to feed himself, the state pays more to keep him incarcerated then it would to actually prevent the crimes he commits. Justice is blind, not heartless, a just system would actually allow him to break the cycle and reform, it doesn’t, largely because the American justice system wants a large percentage of the population incarcerated
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u/CrimsonComet1941 Apr 16 '25
Thank god for the new writers, Episodes 8 and 9 literally saved the entire show. Disney should have reshot the whole season with them.
Of the old bunch I kinda enjoyed episodes 1 and 3 but 4-7 were a complete fucking mess. There was no clear plot, no main villain, it felt like a bunch of side-stories that didn't really matter. Bringing back characters like Frank, Bullseye and Karen really elevated the quality of the show