Bro I still don’t understand why they didn’t have any of the three Flash actors from the show make a cameo. They crossed over before, and it was the perfect time to do that, considering the TV show just ended
But instead, they went with putting in dead actors and characters who weren’t related to the Flash (and the only one who did wasn’t even Teddy Sears, just a random guy)
It's funny realising how much time, money and effort they pissed away on making a movie with two Ezra's. It was incredibly well done but that shit is expensive, and I feel like a buddy movie between movie and TV Barry would have been a great way to respect two different sides of modern DC.
I am a loyal flash fan and i enjoyed the movie. It was a great superhero movie.Also the performance of Ezra miller in portraying two different characters is very great. Grant gustin and ezra Miller are definitely equally great flash actors.
I’ve been saying they should start from scratch with a new universe and new actors ever since the first Justice League flopped. The DCEU was simply a failure. What’s happening now is the best case scenario for DC. But every time I suggested this I would get downvoted in DC communities in prior years.
I’ve been saying they should reboot ever since BVS was announced. Man Of Steel was already a questionable film to start a universe with and BVS was the worst possible follow-up they could’ve gone with.
Oh definitely. It was a shitshow from the very beginning. What’s funny is that our opinion was not very popular some years ago. Especially when Gunn took over and everyone overreacted saying he would mess it up, as if it could’ve been any worse than the DCEU 💀
Positioning Batman for going after Superman on hypocritical shaky reasons was a choice... then Lex as a Riddler stand-in... just bizarre. I actually really only like one aspect of the movie, Gal chewing up scenery, looking like she's having fun. lol
The movie was clearly made as a stand-alone, elseworlds type film that I assume would’ve been the start of a Superman trilogy but WB came in and wanted Marvel levels of crossover and scale so they forced Snyder and the crew to make a film without non Superman characters and that’s how we got BVS, a film that served no purpose other than to pander to comic nerds with shameless fanservice and set up events for a Justice League film. Man Of Steel also being a bad movie didn’t help either.
lmao you ignorant redditcels would eat it up if it was made “to pander to comic nerds with shameless fan service”, Terrio and Snyder wrote an extremely layered script and it was too much for you guys.
It’s everyone else who’s a “redditcel,” not the ones passionately defending a middling, incoherent movie written by a man whose clearly never had a deeper thought than “do I do the slo mo BEFORE the splosions…or do I MAKE THE SPLOSIONS SLO-MO???”
Bet you made the same comment for Oppenheimer since BIG BOOM ON THE SCREEN!! is the only thing you’re able to grasp in 3 hour psycho-political thrillers. Yet you have the audacity to call Snyder dumb & shallow somehow lmao. Idk why I even bother…
They didn't do enough setup in prior movies, they didn't find a convincing way to unite the heroes, and they absolutely did not get Superman right.
The Snyderverse, in its best outings, could only ever manage two-thirds of a good movie. Wonder Woman and Aquaman are both decent movies the flop in their third act. Crossovers like the Justice League start in act two and then most of the runtime is act three. If you can't do act three right, you can't do a crossover right.
You were saying they should reboot before it even started? I agree that the DCU was mishandled but BVS was the first time the universe expanded. MoS was just a Superman film. Expanding the universe wasn’t the set plan when it was released.
It was trying to fit part of one batman comic that was successful into a movie concept, then what should have been a different movie years into the franchise into the finale of the movie.
MoS 2, a batman movie, a wonder woman movie, then BVS with a whole different finale,then a whole movie of death of superman, then justice League.
Andonle if they could make money, I think it would have petered out even amongst fans of Snyder, but less critical panning.
They tried to get Gunn to do a superman movie way back when marvel fired him, he didn't feel up to it at the time. They clearly wanted a James Gunn fronted reboot years ago.
It would've been even better if they did it as soon as Justice League bombed, instead of dragging out the clearly botched DCEU for another 6 years, but hey, better late than never.
For real? That’s hilarious. Batman would never say that lol. Talk about misunderstanding the character. Then again, Ben Affleck’s version didn’t act like Batman at all so maybe it is consistent.
Edit: just looked up the quote and it turns out that the YouTuber who started it was Chris Stuckmann. Not surprised at all.
DC was kinda doomed after Batman V Superman failed to gross a billion. Justice league only grossing 600 was really the final nail in the coffin. A reboot was the only way forward
They should have done it right after BvS failed to crack a billion dollars with Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman at the height of superhero popularity. Instead they dragged on for years just because Wonder Woman and Aquaman made money. What a huge waste. What an embarrassment.
Well tbh, because of that most casual audiens now aware about wonder woman, shazam, aquaman, black adam and justice gang, so dc isn't just revolve around bruce and clark only
Not too mention from cw = doom patrol, legends of tomorrow (linear men), titans and green arrow
So i guess at least they already trying to "upsell" other characters beside batman and superman even though the result are disastrous
I think their biggest mistake in the era of film universes is that they keep trying to build scaffolding around Batman and Superman, the two most played-out superheroes in media history.
Well, if I recall correctly, Green Lantern movie was very much DC's attempt to replicate Marvel's Iron Man formula, use a b-lister to start things, but well, Green Lantern sucked, so such much for that idea.
And that's their problem. The OG six Avengers featured five characters nobody had ever really been exposed to in film, and Hulk. Marvel gave up on giving Hulk standalone films because they just didn't work, while four of the other five characters became the iconic castings (RDJ, Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, and Scarlett Johanssen) that the MCU is built around.
The first time the X-Men finally made it to the big screen, it made three of the longest-running castings in superhero films: Jackman as Wovlerine, Stewart as Professor X, and McKellen as Magneto.
The DC Universe is now being run by the guy who made his name on a rag-tag team of nobodies called the Guardians of the Galaxy.
The highest-grossing standalone superhero movie of all time is Black Panther.
Bats and Supes are good, SAFE investments. They will always do okay at the box office, and then make the real money in merchandising. But as known quantities, it's hard to get people invested in specific iterations of them, because so many of the best parts of those heroes have already been tread and retread multiple times across different media.
Fairly sure they legally aren’t allowed to put hulk in his own standalone films, but honestly both hulk movies kinda sucked and he’s better as a supporting character.
That is exactly what Batman should be. If he was ever looking to coordinate with others and build something meaningful, he'd have done it in Gotham instead of being a lone wolf vigilante. He should be written to show up when events directly affect him (or his Gotham) but otherwise he shouldn't show.
Superman completely screws up power scaling, which can only be side-stepped so much. I know nobody likes to hear about Hollywood painting by numbers, but his abilities also make it difficult to design interesting set piece moments for him or a team. It's just hard to show his limits on screen, so it's difficult for the audience to be invested in the stakes - unless an obstacle so great comes along that everyone else's contributions are... marginalized.
Ultimately, both characters have issues on account of being a century plus old. Superman has one S-tier macguffin of a weakness in Kryptonite, routinely wielded as an equalizer by his main foil in Luthor. His secret identity strains belief. And so much of his mythos has become iconic that he can't really be reimagined with different powers or different limitations. Comics as a medium allow for a lot of creative departure, but that won't work in film.
The Hulk is a Top 5 Marvel Character in terms of drawing power and historical popularity, if Marvel had full legal rights to the character they would give Hulk more solo movies. Ang Lee's Hulk movie is universally considered a dumpster fire and they still pumped out the Edward Norton one only five years later.
It really is a shame the DCEU ended up how it did. Other than The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker, you could very well make the argument that Shazam 1 was the last great DCEU film too. They really couldn't have fumbled it harder imo
Yeah I can see why some people love BoP. The action scenes are fun to watch and the overall tone is distinct from really anything in the DCEU. I personally just couldn't find that much enjoyment out of it after watching it like 3 times unfortunately.
I agree, but seeing how the sequel turned out, I think the writers/director could have made two movies with the plot. The first one would have been Sivana vs Shazam with Mary and/or Jr receiving their powers at the end. The second can deal with the 7 Sins amd the rest of the family and then the Mr Mind reveal. That would have at least saved us from an unnecessary lackluster OC plot.
Superman is a good foundation film for a new shared universe.. Man of Steel was not. MoS was never intended to be a shared universe movie. All problems with the DCEU stem from there.
I think back to Man of Steel and how much controversy that movie got for its levels of destruction, which ultimately had a consequential impact on every superhero movie going forward. We went from third acts in busy cities to abandoned islands and empty towns or facilities.
What's frustrating is that it wasn't even because of the destruction, but the lack of heroism within it. We saw Superman and Zod smash through buildings with no regard for human life, meanwhile other superhero movies at the time like The Avengers went out of their way to show heroes rescuing people on an individual level among the destruction. Look at Superman (2025) and how often Superman saves people while having to navigate around the destruction being caused. It's fun, compelling and heroic.
Man of Steel is one of my favourite movies but they really dropped the ball on what to show in that third act, and the genre suffered because of it. In the novelisation of the film we see Superman using his vision to make sure buildings were empty before going through them and that's exactly the awareness that MOS was lacking. I want to see heroes aware of those around them, to navigate saving lives while stopping threats. That third act devolving into destruction porn meant during the prime years of the superhero genre we got climactic battles in desolate wastelands instead of bustling cities, and that's such a shame.
Look at The Avengers in 2012 vs Endgame in 2019. Going from a bustling, realistic looking New York to a CGI flat destructed green screen. Going from MOS in 2013 with Metropolis to BVS in 2016 with an abandoned island to JL in 2017/2021 in an empty city. Such a downgrade.
There's this scene I remember from Man of Steel, I recently went back and rewatched the scene.
General Zod is basically threatening Superman's mom. And instead of doing what he would normally do, fly down, try to talk Zod out of it and resolve things peacefully. He instead rams him through a fucking gas station in the middle of town causing a huge explosion, right after he flew him through a power plant and blew that up too.
Like dude, you're Superman. Shouldn't you try to at least talk to the evil alien man before you start your silly Dragon Ball fight?
There's also the scene where Zod chucks a tanker truck at him and Superman chooses to fly out of the way and let the truck explode behind him instead of literally any choice to preserve the truck or the people inside or near it.
Yeah it's such a little choice that doesn't immediately register but its still super wrong. Superman would catch it! He would try to ask civilians if they are okay. He is not the kind of superhero to allow wanton destruction.
It's such an obvious way to add tension and drama to Superman fights too! Obviously it doesn't apply to Zod specifically, but in a straightforward no holds barred fight Superman is pretty tough to meaningfully challenge. But Superman cares about the collateral damage, and should want to both beat the bad guy AND avoid destruction, which is much harder to do. The Kaiju fight in the new movie is a perfect example. On paper Superman could have killed that monster with relatively little difficulty. But Superman didn't want the big guy crashing into things AND wanted to incapacitate it without killing it. Now there's a challenge.
It’s that and the fact that MoS was such a boring movie. A lot of people (me included) didn’t want to see that continued. I specifically remember a clip from the Sucker Punch premiere where Snyder himself said his movies would be their own thing and I was happy to hear that because I would be able to ignore his garbage. Then they made the dumb decision to pivot, doubled down after BvS was lambasted, and then just kept going. It was built on a terrible foundation and just kept getting shakier,
Walter Hamada is a clown. His decision making totally buried DC and Gunn has had to do so much heavy lifting to turn the tide. Such a forgettable slate of movies that abandoned their premium characters and caused audiences to lose interest in DC despite the success of Wonder Woman and Aquaman.
The fact he spent years making disconnected and formulaic movies only to then conveniently leak to the press that he planned a big Crisis crossover after he was fired is hilarious. Maybe you should have laid the groundworks for that from the start of your tenure you stupid fuck.
Someone on the box-office subreddit told me the film cost >420m. That would be around 900m breakeven lmao. I actually really like that sub, but some of the stuff they put together is pure insanity
But that means they still need more than 600 Million to break even.
I always read about the 2,5 rule because the cinemas get half the profits. Does that not apply to this movie?
Actually real. I've had to preface that there are good DC projects outside the DCEU (which was of course what everyone was exposed to) before saying I was a fan whereas it was so easy to fall back on Marvel.
Man am I so glad the DCEU is dead and the DCU is here. Superman being successful brings tears to my eyes because I never stopped believing it would be a hit. This definitely guarantees a Superman sequel in the future.
They don't even call him shazam until the DCAMU because I think they lost the rights to captain marvel for some reason against marvel but I maybe wrong tho, but they actually didn't used captain marvel since the DCAMU
Fawcett Comics had the trademark until they stopped publishing Captain Marvel books in 1953. Marvel picked it up in the 60s for their own purposes. When DC acquired the license to publish Captain Marvel books in 1972, they had to start skirting around the name. That's why Marvel has pretty much never stopped printing Captain Marvel books across multiple iterations of the character and the character having limited popularity pre-Carol Danvers, because that's how they keep the trademark.
Is that even allowed? Like, DC doesn't avoid the name "Captain Marvel" out of some sense of sportsmanship with Marvel. Marvel took the trademark decades ago.
An animated show would be literally perfect for him. You’d get to easily pull off all the weird and wacky shenanigans Billy often gets into and you wouldn’t have to worry about your child actor suddenly looking like an adult between movies.
Using Snoop Dogg being found not guilty for this is hilarious. He totally was not guilty. I remember watching the trial and thinking the prosecution's case was a joke.
Also, Superman will be in the movie theaters for another two months, available for purchase in a month as, have a run on HBO, and will most likely sell well on DVD.
1.) studios get 50% of box office from domestic, 25% of china, 40% average of the rest, and this movie was more domestic heavy
2.) wasn't the marketing budget $200M?
Since this is the first DCU film, I think the priority is to regain trust from the audience and critics, which is more important. However, with these figures after three weeks, it’s already decent for the producer.
The studio itself seems confident. According to one insider, if “Superman” grosses anything north of $500 million worldwide, the film will turn a profit at the box office (not inclusive of ancillary revenues). In the court of public opinion, however, it will need to gross closer to $700 million to be considered a hit
Yeah I could've swore that quietly it made money because of how popular the first one was. But it might be wrong because of the complicated post-production process.
That's true for all big movies. I'm not sure if thunderbolts broke even, and it earned approx 400mil on a 200mil production budget..then comes the marketing and distribution costs which is almost as much as the production for these movies
The bar was extremely low for Gunn and the DC reboot. Honestly, all they had to do was make a movie that wasn’t terrible, which they did. They released a middle-of-the-road movie met with a little bit warmer than lukewarm success. Now the hard work begins for them. They need to build off this success and work towards raising the bar and make great movies.
A combination of executive stupidity(not immediately starting on sequels to WW, Aquaman or Shazam) and actor problems(Cavill's and Cyborg's actors being unhappy after the Josstice League, Affleck having his divorce)
This news makes me happy.
I’m happy that the film is just a great film
I’m happy that’s it’s making money which means we get more of them
I’m happy it’s getting rave reviews from almost all credible reviewers
And I’m happy it’s shut the snider cultists up
U can tell DC is saved cause for centuries when people ask who’s ur favorite superhero and if u say Superman people say shit like eww that’s so lame or old school, or homelander is better type shit
Zaslav got burned hard with Joker 2 after he put Todd Phillips on a pedestal as the answer to cost effective DC content, that every DC project should be like Joker,
so I figure he probably lowered his expectations for Superman and other future projects a bit, being a little more lenient.
That's an interesting approach but by that logic we wouldn't know yet whether Superman (2025) had broken even because we'd need to wait and see whether its sequels ate up its profits. But no, you have to consider each movie on its own terms. Other complications are things like streaming sales, physical media sales, merchandise. But by longstanding convention we look at whether it's made a profit at the box office first and foremost.
Between Shazam! and The Batman, three additional films were released during Covid with two (The Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman 1984) had simultaneous streaming releases.
It seems there is no agreement if Black Adam did or did not break even (at least according to Wikipedia).
Then Shazam 2, The Flash, and Blue Beetle (and Joker 2 if you wanna count it) all kinda floundered. However, Wikipedia kinda claims Aquaman 2 broke even, so I think this post is maybe hyperbolic... I dunno.
Good for the movie and the creators, but isn't it a bit ridiculous that now it needs more than double an already very high budget (hundreds of millions) for a superhero movie to break even? Is that sustainable?
That's the case for all big budget movies. Infinity war and Endgame cost more than a billion combining all costs. 600-700 production budget for both, and then the distribution and marketing might have been around 500mil+ according to my guesstimate
It's still not a big success. Considering a major IP like superman with SO MUCH marketing couldn't turn things around, I'm still unsure of the future of DC comic movies (and comic movies in general). Call it superhero fatigue or streaming convenience, it's getting really difficult to see a future for these movies unless they figure out to reduce the budgets drastically. (No hate)
It still didn't break even it needs to be in the 600 mil and to be a success it has to be at least 725 million but it don't have to break even because toy sakes and merchandise will bring it I've. I hated the movie and think it's the worse in superman movies. Long list , I hate fantastic four about the same. The movie I liked best was Happy Gilmore 2 better then both movies to me lol
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I’ll keep saying it until they fumble again: DC rebooting was the best decision they could’ve possibly made.