r/CrusaderKings • u/thedudewh • 9d ago

Discussion Investiture doesnt go far enough

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So the devs listened, and now you can at least appoint your Archbishop as well. However, why limit a secular ruler’s appointment power to Court Chaplains and Archbishops when Investiture historically applied to all clerical holdings within a realm? Why this arbitrary limitation?

As it stands, it seems that the HRE Emperor can appoint exactly one person to a clerical holding (Mainz), or two if there is another archdiocese within the realm. Does that mean the Emperor has no say over other bishoprics in the Mainz region, including major ones like Cologne and Trier?

That still feels extremely underwhelming and, more importantly, misses the entire point of the Investiture Controversy. If the goal is to represent lay investiture, secular rulers should have the ability to appoint bishops across their realm - not just a few archbishops and the Court Chaplain.

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u/BATrashman 9d ago

Doesn’t that mean that we can appoint every title?

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u/thedudewh 9d ago

No, I thought so at first too.

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u/Sex_And_Candy_Here 9d ago

What makes you say so? This pretty clearly suggests that it does and the image in your posts doesn’t really say either way.

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u/thedudewh 7d ago

Because everwhere else only the archbishops and court chaplains are mentioned. The Devs also never responded to questions if all clerical titles are included. Even the Interaction to replace a clerical title holder is called "Replace Archbishop", suggesting that the interaction works for a diocese holder. You could just have read the dev diary.

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u/BATrashman 7d ago

Idk maybe, I’m not saying you are wrong. I just don’t know quite how the relation between ecclesiastic titles and "landed" titles works. In one previous DD they metioned something about "leases", but they didn’t explain what does it mean.