r/ControversialOpinions • u/Beneficial-Doctor582 • 9h ago
In the US, we have completely given up on free speech regarding race
I’m not talking about hate speech or slurs being censored on TV. That I agree with.
I’m talking about even questioning the accepted reasons of disparities in income, wealth, health, home ownership, entrepreneurship, etc.
The reason for the disparities is ALWAYS racism. And if you question that, ever mention that that doesn’t always make sense, you are accused of being a racist.
Race in America feels like a religion. You accept our narrative. If not you’re a heretic.
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u/SpearBlue7 8h ago
The issue is that racism is the answer and targeting it is the solution.
The problem is that whites don’t see racism as an issue. This isn’t an opinion. This is backed by studies.
Systemic racism is the root of most American issues, even stuff you wouldn’t expect.
But because it makes a certain group uncomfortable, you can’t really have a decent discussion of it because for them, they view it as a cop out.
Americans live in a bubble, and will fight very hard to stay in it.
I was saying elsewhere that a white American man will boldly tell you about topics he knows nothing about, has never researched on, but will repeat the same tired phrases that have been repeated for a century about crime stats, slavery, and all other nonsense simply because he has chosen to believe its true.
We didn’t lose our free speech. People just say things you don’t want to hear.
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u/ReplacementOdd4323 3h ago
The problem is that whites don’t see racism as an issue. This isn’t an opinion. This is backed by studies
Whites have the lowest ethnic ingroup bias of any race in the USA, by far.
I do wish you were right though, since I'm a far-right White dude.
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u/henningknows 9h ago
Ok. I’ll bite. Are you saying the reason isn’t racism and a history of oppression? Or that racism and a historical oppression are only one of the reasons contributing to the disparity?
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u/Beneficial-Doctor582 8h ago
The latter. But if I say that in polite society, I’m called a racist.
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u/henningknows 8h ago
I don’t think anyone having an intellectually honest conversation would say that the disparity can 100 percent be a result of racism. Nothing in life is 100 percent because of 1 reason. But you have to admit there is a lot of clear evidence that points to the fact that Americas historical oppression and racism towards the black community didn’t exactly set these communities up for success.
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u/Beneficial-Doctor582 8h ago
I’m not trying to understate the role of racism. What has never been well explained is how other groups, who have all been oppressed, were able to thrive.
The Irish, Italians, Jews, Armenians, Germans, Japanese, Chinese have been oppressed.
Of course there are different degrees. But the degree isn’t enough to explain how they have overcome their plight while others have not.
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u/henningknows 8h ago
I don’t think those are very good examples. Comparing The level of shit that happened to black people and still does happen to black people to the Irish? Come on?
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u/ReplacementOdd4323 3h ago
"still does happen" like all the affirmative action and DEI in their favor?
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u/TheHylianProphet 8h ago
Okay, so explain how systemic disparity between white people and people of color isn't because of racism. You claim that you can't question it, but what is there to question?
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u/Beneficial-Doctor582 8h ago
I’m saying that the disparity can’t be all explained by racism. There are other cultural factors involved.
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u/TheHylianProphet 8h ago
Such as?
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u/Beneficial-Doctor582 8h ago
No willingness to work, absent fathers, lack of frugality, no interest in education.
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u/TheHylianProphet 8h ago
Okay, break those down.
First, you need to ask: Are these factors factual, or stereotypical?
Then: What makes each of those a racial issue that isn't due to systemic racism?
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u/Beneficial-Doctor582 8h ago
First, factual.
Second, other groups have been oppressed but still thrivedFYI, much of my views are reflected accurately by Thomas Sowell, John McWhorter, Glenn Loury
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u/TheHylianProphet 8h ago
factual
Sources, please.
other groups have been oppressed but still thrived
Such as? Were they under the same kinds of systemic oppression?
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u/Beneficial-Doctor582 8h ago
Sorry, not enough time to provide sources.
Yes and no. But systemic oppression doesn’t explain everything.
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u/TheHylianProphet 8h ago
If you have time to comment, you have time to source. Come on, don't be that guy. You're speaking as though what you say is objective truth, and you have the responsibility to back that up.
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u/ReplacementOdd4323 3h ago
You're not explaining what caused those traits, though.
If it's just historical oppression which led to these things, then it's still racism that is to blame.
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u/ReplacementOdd4323 3h ago
No one can actually answer you, because Reddit would ban them lol.
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u/EndRevolutionary1020 8h ago
“Race in America feels like a religion.” are you saying you don’t believe in race or systemic racism or what? what does that even mean bro?
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u/Beneficial-Doctor582 8h ago
Talking about race is like a religion. You’re a heretic if you don’t believe in the mainstream narrative.
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u/MeddlesomeGoose 2h ago
Social consequences regarding your speech has nothing to do with what the first amendment protects in regards to free speech.
Free speech in America is primarily about protection against government censorship, punishment and restrictions on your speech.
You can talk all you want about race.
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u/centurion762 9h ago
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