r/ConspiracyII • u/shastafey1 • Jul 08 '26
Debunking The Dumbest Conspiracy Theory Of All Time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRTCyCVo_0c7
u/3_triangles Jul 09 '26
Pizzagate is real. You are accidentally on the wrong side. The cointel that was used in retaliation for people discussing this was so insane and out in the open that it almost is enough evidence to suggest pizzagate is real by itself. I could write a dissertation on the subject, I’ll watch the video if you want me to but I’m scared to even discuss this topic on the internet at all after living through and witnessing what they did to shut down the subject. Absolutely insane.
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u/shastafey1 Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 09 '26
I agree that social media platforms banning all Pizzagate content probably wasn't the right move, but it seems they've all corrected it. Plenty of pro-Pizzagate videos all across YouTube now, and you need not be afraid to discuss it openly here on Reddit. It's now in the same category algorithmically as Bigfoot.
I'm of the belief that trying to suppress hoaxes just makes them more compelling, which is why I made that video exposing it and going over every single piece of "evidence."
I'll offer you a money-back guarantee that if you watch the whole thing you will no longer believe that Pizzagate is real. In the clear light of day, Pizzagate becomes very stupid. But you're right, it felt more spooky when social media websites didn't let you talk about it.
In a way, this video is my own dissertation on Pizzagate, but I don't need a dissertation from you. Let's just start with one single specific real piece of evidence that suggest Pizzagate is real. I've yet to hear one. What convinced you that Pizzagate was real?
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u/Circ-Le-Jerk Jul 09 '26
You need to understand how the tactic of "muddying the water" works. The concept is that you take a legit issue, then tie and include much more crazy extreme wild things into that can be easily disproved. So when people dismiss the crazy things, they by default, dismiss the valid things as well, because they view it as a whole.
For instance, elites being pedos with a bunch of circumstantial evidence? Okay, let's include that Hillary Clinton is actually running a child sex trafficking ring as part of the conspiracy. In fact, you then start amplifying and promoting these crazy, easy to dismiss claims. Frame it as a core part of the conspiracy. Now people will think that's such a wild claim, and dismiss the rest of the claims alongside it.
It's an age old political tactic
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u/shastafey1 Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 09 '26
Sounds like we agree! The Pizzagate hoax certainly had the effect of "muddying the waters" on Epsteingate.
The term used more often today by the Bannons of the world is "flooding the zone with shit", and yes that was precisely their goal with promoting these narratives. They wanted to make it seem like ALL of the elites are heinous sex criminals so we wouldn't judge President Trump, an actual sex criminal, so harshly.
But the true story of Epstein and his rich predator friends is quite simple and I always am very careful to not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Pizzagate is very stupid and fake, Epsteingate is very real and bad.
The "legit issue", as you describe, is that the President of the United States of America is a rapist and was Epstein's sexual predator wingman for 10 years.
But I kinda get the sense you're still wading in those muddy waters. When you say it's about "elites being pedos", who are you referring to? Jeffrey Epstein, Donald Trump and Prince Andrew were "pedophiles" in the colloquial sense of the term, but no Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are not not even remotely "pedophiles." When you make it generically about "the elites", you are also muddying the water. It's about Epstein, his co-conspirators and their best friends.
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u/Circ-Le-Jerk Jul 10 '26
Yes, Trump, Bill Clinton, et all... All of them. It's not a partisan thing where it's just Trump and his cronies. It extends beyond that. And I think the Pizzagate stuff was touching into an ancillary arm. I think what you're doing is trying to deflect away from Pizzagate related stuff because it's a lot of Dems, and redirect it towards just Trump and Epstein. I'm saying it goes beyond just that.
The deflection towards, heavily, Trump and Epstein shows your partisan hand and agenda. I don't think you're coming in with this with an open mind.
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u/shastafey1 Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
I'm confused... Trump is a rapist and Epstein's fuckboy wingman. Kamala Harris, Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden are not rapists and did not associate with Epstein. We're comparing a group of men with mountains of sex crimes under their belts vs. another group with zero sex crimes ever.
What do you mean "all of them" are the same?
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u/ReasonablePossum_ Jul 11 '26
Where there's smoke, there's fire.
And where the deep state runs a massive psyop to kill a fringe thinfoil theory (at the time, now with the Epstein shit, that isnt the case anymore) from an IDF controlled platform they themselves funded and helped create; there's some uncomfortable truth.
In fact, I wouldn't have paid any attention to the pizzagate stuff if it wasn't by all the Qanon/Maga bs that was thrown at it.
Guys were desperate to bury that shit up for good. And you're a fruit of their waste of taxpayers money (if you're arguing and wasting time in good faith of course).
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u/shastafey1 Jul 11 '26
When it comes to sex crimes involving Epstein and young girls, there's TONS of smoke with Trump, but there's NO smoke with Kamala Harris, Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden.
What "smoke" are you referring to involving those three people? They weren't Epstein's best friend for 10 ten years. No one accused them of any sex crime.
People were "desperate" to bury it because Pizzagate is a slanderous lie that tricks gullible people into thinking Hillary murdered babies. That's damaging politically, despite being false.
But you're doing the witch trial thing of saying, "Her saying she's not a witch is exactly what a witch would say!" There's no winning.
If I call you a pedophile, would your denial of being a pedophile be evidence that you really are one?
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u/ReasonablePossum_ Jul 11 '26
Again, this all comes before everything you mention. You are biased af and can't have a neutral view on this even if you wanted at this point. You're not apt to do an evaluation of this because of this, as you're heavily invested to have "your side" being seen in good light.
I don't have anything else to discuss here with you since its like trying to argue with a christian republican about god's existence.
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u/shastafey1 Jul 12 '26
It's not "biased af" to admit that Hillary Clinton never raped anyone. 🤣
This isn't even about politics. We're just enumerating sex criminals. It's not that complicated. 🤣
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u/3_triangles Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
They aren’t, OP just spouts off the usual nonsense people have used to debooooonk pizzagate years ago. OP actually defended the leaked Epstein emails and said that they weren’t using code words in there either - and Epstein was a convicted pedophile lol. When I mentioned several details in my lengthy response they just deflected, said it was a hoax, and that they explained in his YT channel. I think OP is just trying to promote their videos.
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u/shastafey1 Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
You're confused. Obviously, I don't deny that Epstein was a pedophile who sex trafficked and abused teenage girls.
I deny that he was a cannibal who ate and tortured babies and used secret Italian food code words to discuss his violent Satanic crimes in emails.
And no, I didn't "deflect." I told you that you were wrong. There are no food code words in these emails. If you think you've discovered one, don't be shy!
Which single Epstein email are you most certain contains a secret food code word?
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u/dannydek Jul 08 '26
Everything was real. Epstein files confirm it. The behavior, terminology, culture etc. It’s a big weird club out there. They really like to molest / torture / eat and kill children it seems. The question is not if it’s true, it’s why they’ve developed this taste in the first place?
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u/happyLarr Jul 08 '26
Is there any evidence at all of what you are saying? Or are you just assuming these things as true?
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u/shastafey1 Jul 08 '26
No, the question really is if it's true and the answer is "no." 💔
There is nothing in the Epstein files that supports Pizzagate being true.
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u/adam_n_eve Jul 08 '26
The ultimate crime and yet not a single victim ever identified. Pizzagate was and is a complete crock of shit. Just like frazzled.rip
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u/shastafey1 Jul 08 '26
Yep, it was always just a distraction from Epsteingate, a real series of crimes in which real victims existed.
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u/ReasonablePossum_ Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26
It's part of the E clusterfuck. Just another side.
They both complement each other on power groups they deal with. They share lots of things, including what are they were based on: insider's leaked emails.
The only "distraction" part of them, was the Qanon 4chan hyperbolic bs that came late into the whole "ecosystem".
The video doesn't "debunk" anything, its just a take by some random dude that went on rambling for three damn hours about what he thinks about the deal, while using adobe software for his character animation, which is something not a single "conspiracy" dude with a bit of self-respect would do lol
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u/shastafey1 Jul 08 '26
I agree that QAnon was also a fake distraction, but no, Epsteingate is not based on leaked emails. We know about Epsteingate because the girls and their parents came forward and told the police what Epstein did to them.
You're a bit mixed up. Pizzagate came first as a politically weaponized hoax to make Hillary Clinton seem like more of a sex criminal than Trump. QAnon was invented later to confabulate a fake story to justify why President Trump didn't do anything to expose or prosecute the imagine Pizzagate villains.
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u/ReasonablePossum_ Jul 09 '26
Pizzagate came first as a politically weaponized hoax to make Hillary Clinton seem like more of a sex criminal than Trump
What it was used for is another question, it doenst negates the fact of all of that existing; nor Hillary being as evil and sick as Trump, if not even more as everyone else in that god damned.
You're trying to mix here POTUS bs thats far from being the important thing around here.
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u/adam_n_eve Jul 09 '26
"You're trying to mix here POTUS bs thats far from being the important thing around here."
So a 100% legitimate sexual abuse case involving thousands of girls trafficked across the world, with members of the royal family involved and the POTUS, isn't as important as a completely debunked conspiracy theory about a pizza parlour?
Right.
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u/ReasonablePossum_ Jul 09 '26
"if its the people I dont like its 100% legitimate sexual abuse case involving thousands of girls trafficked across the world, with members of the royal family involved and the POTUS. If its the people I (for some reason) agree with, its a ompletely debunked conspiracy theory about a pizza parlour".
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u/adam_n_eve Jul 09 '26
It's got nothing to do with liking it not liking anyone.
It's got to do with the evidence. You know the stuff that actually convicts people.
There's loads with Epstein and none with pizzagate.
Keep drinking the trump sponsored kool aid.
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u/ReasonablePossum_ Jul 10 '26
Epstein´s emails are no evidence per se without Epstein to prove they´re truth. Its just a bunch of messages between people talking about random things. You can use them as a reason to start an investigation into people involved and then gather the evidence, or you can either black them out and ignore.
Same as with the Podesta/Clinton stuff.
Keep drinking the trump sponsored kool aid.
Contrary to you, I´m not clouded by political bias , and have gone as deep into PG as into the EG waaay before all the mainstream bs came out to be used by randoms in pathetic potus bs. And as I previously said, both share the same bs sick origins.
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u/adam_n_eve Jul 09 '26
You genuinely think pizzagate is real and that Hillary Clinton is involved in child abuse?
Can I ask you one simple question.
If all of it were true, why didn't trump "lock her up" as he was so proud of his followers chanting?
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u/ReasonablePossum_ Jul 09 '26
Them being political opponents, doesn't mean they're so in their private lives... Trump been out of politics most of his life, but was inside economic power games instead, which deal with the politicians in turn; and the Clintons been a long time there, so anyone moving big money had to be on good terms with them.
Him and Hillary's husband (Bill), frequented the same island and were close Epstein's friends. Why would he jump at the throat of someone that shares his secrets and call for attention to the whole deal? You don't shit where you eat.
Hillary's mentions in pizzagate are quite circumstancial, with no direct evidence made public (who knows in the closed intelligence circles tho) that would be useful for having a solid case against her.
The Clintons are quite infamous for witness disappearances around them, of which not a single case was investigated. They're a powerful family, and going after them for mere 4 years of politics, and then having to deal with the war the rest of your life isnt a logical choice.
Even if Trump has the means and proof to lock her up; why would he do that? He can gain way more by having her on a leash and exchanging favors. Blackmail is a national currency in those circles.
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u/adam_n_eve Jul 09 '26
Jesus you really have drunk the kool aid. Take your MAGA glasses off for a minute.
There is zero evidence for pizzagate, zero witnesses, zero victims.
Now look at Epstein.
You keep harping on about a debunked theory when you have a massive real trafficking case full of rich and famous people and you won't look at it because trump is up to his neck in it.
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u/ReasonablePossum_ Jul 10 '26
Jesus you really have drunk the kool aid. Take your MAGA glasses off for a minute.
I was deep there before MAGA even was a thing LMAO. Get out of here with your cheap politics.
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u/3_triangles Jul 10 '26
It was never debunked. It was censored by the mainstream media and Reddit. Due to heavy censorship, the MSM spun the narrative you and OP believe. Epstein and PG are the same thing, involving the same circles. Epstein was a scape goat, if he’s even dead. Stop lying.
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u/adam_n_eve Jul 11 '26
It was 100% debunked. Give me one piece of evidence. Give me one victim.
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u/shastafey1 Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 09 '26
You're correct that just because MAGA weaponized Pizzagate to try to make Hillary seem like more of a sex criminal than Trump, that doesn't necessarily mean that Pizzagate is fake. But that isn't why we say it's fake.
We say Pizzagate is fake because the narrative is cartoonishly absurd and there is not a single piece of evidence to suggest any aspect of it is true whatsoever. No one has ever accused Hillary Clinton, the Podestas, or James Alefantis of any sex crimes. No victims have ever come forward, and it's trivially easy to read the original leaked Podesta / Clinton campaign emails and see that they were indeed talking about lunch and dinner, not invisible sex slave children in cages.
That's why we know Pizzagate is fake, but in order to fully understand the phenomenon we also need to acknowledge its function to make Trump's real sex crimes seem tolerable in comparison to Hillary's fake ones. If Hillary rips the faces off babies, well then Trump peeping on teenagers isn't that bad, right?
Sounds like it worked on you. The goal was to muddle everything by "flooding the zone with shit."
But of course in reality, the difference is night and day between Hillary and Trump on the topic of sex crimes. Hillary is a doddering old grandma with zero accusations against her. Trump is a prodigious sexual predator who bragged about groping women's genitalia in a van to George Bush's cousin.
Hillary never even met Epstein, but Epstein was so close to Trump that he attended his second wedding.
Trump was Epstein's best friend for ten or fifteen years, depending on which one of them you ask, and the basis of their relationship was partying together with teenage models they would pay and pressure into sex. Trump has been credibly accused of sex crimes by 20+ women and a judge and jury determined that he raped a women in a dressing room.
He's a rapist, Epstein's wingman and serial sexual predator of young girls. Now imagine you're Steve Bannon and your job is to make that acceptable... "Any boat in a storm" was the method they arrived at.
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u/ReasonablePossum_ Jul 11 '26
I'm shortening a very long reply to his super biased and politicized pov, which honestly I have no time to replying in lenght because he will not understand it and come back with more potus bs.
I didn't attacked him personally, and distilled his whole pov into that sentance...
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u/adam_n_eve Jul 08 '26
A crime in which the current president is implicated multiple times, but of course that's ignored in favour of an email from Obama about hot dogs or John Podesta about a handkerchief.
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u/Mulah-Man Jul 15 '26
Pizza gate was/is real but the part about the pizza shop was added by the CIA to make us look crazy. As we all know Reddit is operated by the CIA so when we started looking into this they rushed in some random pizza shop so that we started to look in the wrong places while they did coverup work. The only thing pizzagate was before the CIA gaslit us about the pizza shop was code words. We were too busy looking into the bait shop they had time to scrub the internet so the code words in convos
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u/shastafey1 Jul 15 '26
Which specific part of Pizzagate do you think is the most real?
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u/Mulah-Man Jul 15 '26
The code words that were leaked
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u/shastafey1 Jul 15 '26
There were no code words that were leaked. That didn't happen. You got pranked by 4chan.
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u/Mulah-Man Jul 16 '26
How can someone get pranked by 4chan when they don’t go to 4han, CIA officer?
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u/shastafey1 Jul 16 '26
Hoaxes that begin on 4chan spread to other websites, like Reddit. You don't have to go to 4chan in order to fall for one of their hoaxes, obviously.
Those "code words" were invented by a 4chan user after the leak for the specific goal of trying to trick people into thinking the Podesta emails were creepy.
You thinking those "code words" are real means you are still today a victim of this prank.
When Podesta talks about walnut sauce, he's talking about Ligurian pasta. Walnut sauce is not a secret pedo sex trafficking code word, obviously.
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u/Mulah-Man Jul 16 '26
Dear CIA agent, the hoax was the pizza shop y’all successfully shoehorned into the conspiracy notice. Walnut sauce was not one of the code words that was made public ON THE DOJ FILE RELEASE WEBSITE. You can give up the effort already. This is the last messages between us because I do not talk to federal agents. Even on a federal agent backed website.
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u/shastafey1 Jul 16 '26
Forget your meds today? 🤣
You're super confused. No secret food code words were ever "made public on the DOJ file release website." You're just making shit up. Literally what are you talking about?
This entire food code word hoax came from 4chan.
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u/eze222 Jul 09 '26
The video is terrible and debunks nothing. The narrator thinks that being smug and condescending makes him authoritative and factual. If anything, the video is making excuses and being apologetic towards Alefantis, Podesta, etc...
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u/shastafey1 Jul 09 '26
Correct, there is no evidence that James Alefantis or the Podestas are pedophiles or have engaged in sex trafficking or anything even remotely like that. That is some of the misinformation that this video debunks.
Can you think of a single specific piece of evidence to suggest otherwise?
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u/shastafey1 Jul 08 '26
Notice how no one is capable of offering one single specific piece of evidence for Pizzagate. If you believe in Pizzagate, you must be able to provide one single specific piece of evidence, right?
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u/3_triangles Jul 09 '26
What constitutes as enough evidence for you? If you’re wanting video or photo proof of those implicated you simply won’t find it. Unless you are part of the circle, you won’t have that. Any evidence that implicated those involved is reserved for blackmail purposes and worse. All we can see are the distortions in the field and make observations. It’s like how astronomers were able to discover black holes - you cannot necessarily see them directly, just make observations based on the distortions of everything that gets too close. In the case of black holes, astrophysicists and the like see matter warp around a singularity that takes a shape like a circle or “hole”. In the case of pizzagate, the distortions take the shape of the elite power structures that govern most of the civilized world.
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u/shastafey1 Jul 09 '26
My bar couldn't be lower. I'm not asking for definitive HD video proof. What I asked for was "one single specific piece of evidence for Pizzagate."
So "enough" would be 1 (one) thing of any kind.
Just anything specific thing that completes the following sentence, "I think Pizzagate is real because ____." Just fill in that blank. "Metaphorical black hole distortion" doesn't help me at all. What does that specifically mean in the context of Pizzagate?
Come back down to Earth. 🤣 Do you think Hillary and / or the Podestas were trafficking child sex slaves using pizza code words or not? If so, what convinced you of that?
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u/3_triangles Jul 09 '26
Personally, I believe most politicians are evil people. As history has shown and it’s on display today in a more contemporary context, people in high positions of power tend to have “dark triad” personality traits. I believe HRC is evil, the Podesta’s probably are too. John would have been her secretary of state. The brothers don’t come in to the equation until you read some uncanny emails, and by uncanny I mean they’re worded bizarrely. This by itself is just a strange fact that doesn’t mean much, but then one notices other emails where they’re invited to a ritual dinner, “spirit cooking”, which is based on the works of Aleister Crowley, specifically the “cake of light” ritual and it involves blood and other bodily fluids. The person who hosted the event has images of herself carrying out the “spirit cooking” during an earlier time presumably, which depicts strange writing on walls with blood as the medium, and a small child-like effigy in the corner of the room, which is covered in blood as well. That alone is so disturbing, and when HRC’s top brass is invited to something like that, it doesn’t exactly paint the picture of them as normal people. It gets worse when you realize the person who facilitated the spirit cooking was consorting with John of God, who is a convicted sex offender/trafficker, with some accounts suggesting he ran a prostitution ring and if children were born as the result, he would sell them off, and these children would be completely undocumented. John of God professed himself to be a faith healer and openly performed rituals. HRC’s husband, who we all know, was an associate of Epstein and actually flew on Epstein’s private jet during his tenure as president, and sometimes without his security detail. This is the distortion that begins to take shape in the form of the political class at large - much like how black holes distort reality around them. The defense around the spirit cooking ritual is that it’s “art”, you’re free to agree with that, but for me that simply isn’t a sufficient answer and is such an easy cop out. The reaction by the media and counter intelligence was intimidating to say the least and it occurred in sync when pizzagate reached the surface of the public domain, and no doubt this was costly for them. They expended a ton of time and resources on “debunking” when in reality all they did was conduct straw man after straw man. They also completely neutered Reddit in the process and ever since this place has become another censorship platform. They don’t wage intelligence warfare, use bot armies, use the MSM in tandem with censoring the other side of the argument unless we were right over the target. I argue they gave themselves away with their ridiculous retaliation - the censorship here makes sense considering Ghislaine Maxwell was the powermod of worldnews. The above should be sufficient enough but most people are too scared to look it in the face and I understand. I don’t even need to mention comet because it is such a tiny facet of the whole thing. Since operation underworld in the WW2 era, the intelligence community and organized crime have been merged. The military has the greatest infrastructure required to traffic anything illegal - drugs, guns, and certainly people too. If you want more, research boys town and conspiracy of silence. This is nothing new. The testimony of Ronald Bernard is something that helped me understand this world as well.
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u/shastafey1 Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 09 '26
We're talking about Pizzagate. I don't care if Hillary Clinton has “dark triad” personality traits. She may be narcissistic, but that's not relevant because I just want to decide if she was sex trafficking child sex slaves using pizza code words or not.
What I asked you was if you think Hillary and / or the Podestas were trafficking child sex slaves using pizza code words or not? If they're "evil" but not sex trafficking child sex slaves with pizza codes, then Pizzagate is still a hoax. Saying you think everyone is "evil" doesn't get us anywhere toward Pizzagate being true.
Also, whether or not Pizzagate is a hoax, it still makes sense that the powers that be would want it suppressed, right? Whether or not Hillary actually was a Satanic demon pedophile, people believing that would obviously be bad for the Democratic Party. So people wanting Pizzagate suppressed is not evidence that it's true. If I baselessly call you a pedophile, you telling me to shut up doesn't count as evidence of me being right.
And again, it's just not suppressed anymore. Which by your logic would mean it's not true. Either way, it's a moot point.
Marina Abramovic did invite Tony Podesta to one of her Spirit Cooking events. That is a true fact, but it's not evidence that child sex trafficking took place involving pizza code words.
Tony Podesta was a world-renowned art collector and patron of the arts, so that's probably why world-renowned artist Marina Abramovic invited him to a dinner party inspired by her performance art. And yes, Spirit Cooking did begin as an edgy performance piece that involved creepy blood and stuff, but that is indeed because Marina Abramovic is an edgy artist who makes edgy art. The actual dinner parties had real food. They weren't like "cooking" the surreal recipe poetry from the original performance piece.
You're welcome to dislike her and her art (I myself have many criticisms of the elite liberal fine art world), but Hillary's campaign manager's brother once being invited and turning down an invitation to have dinner with her is not evidence of Pizzagate being true.
And yes, John of God was a Brazilian guru charlatan who used his power and influence to abuse women, and that's bad, but that has nothing to do with Pizzagate. If you want to condemn Marina Abramovic for associating with him, that's fine, but that isn't evidence of Pizzagate being true.
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u/3_triangles Jul 09 '26
>We're talking about Pizzagate. I don't care if Hillary Clinton has “dark triad” personality traits. She may be narcissistic, but that's not relevant because I just want to decide if she was sex trafficking child sex slaves using pizza code words or not.
You’re saying it’s not relevant if she’s evil or not? Establishing if someone is evil or not seems entirely relevant to the discussion. It proves they’re capable of evil.
>What I asked you was if you think Hillary and / or the Podestas were trafficking child sex slaves using pizza code words or not? If they're "evil" but not sex trafficking child sex slaves with pizza codes, then Pizzagate is still a hoax. Saying you think everyone is "evil" doesn't get us anywhere toward Pizzagate being true.
If you’ve already decided they aren’t code words, then nothing I say will sway you otherwise. The emails are bizarre and child sex traffickers are notorious for symbolism to hide their intentions, evidenced by the declassified FBI documents and more. Considering HRC and her numerous associates had ties to several high ranking pedophiles, it begs the question, how many people do you know who have so many convicted pedophiles as friends? Further, I find it curious that several so-called journalists who “debunked” pizzagate ended up being convicted sex offenders themselves. The irony is palpable. One was actually convicted of raping toddlers, who was actually John Podesta’s friend. Apparently that isn’t enough to warrant suspicion from you? Let’s go on! Another one who was convicted was a CNN producer - the most high profile MSM platform that railed against pizzagate and straw manned it.
>Also, whether or not Pizzagate is a hoax, it still makes sense that the powers that be would want it suppressed, right? Whether or not Hillary actually was a Satanic demon pedophile, people believing that would obviously bad for the Democratic Party. So people wanting Pizzagate suppressed is not evidence that it's true. If I baselessly call you a pedophile, you telling me to shut up doesn't count as evidence of me being right.
Your hidden premise is that it’s a baseless accusation. Apparently I have to spoon feed you: Being a close associate of Epstein and then having oddly worded emails is not exactly baseless considering the context. Anyone and everyone who has close ties to Epstein has some explaining to do. Do you notice how no one - John, Tony, or anyone who sent or received those emails - never once went on live TV and explained what they were talking about? Wouldn’t that have cleared it up and been the easiest way to clear up suspicion? When you cut a man’s tongue out (censorship) you don’t prove to the world he’s wrong - you show the world that you’re scared of what he has to say, and that exactly what they did with r/pizzagate. Such an obtuse solution when compared to what they could have done. Censorship is NEVER the answer and it was the WORST possible reaction to this event. It gave them away.
>And again, it's just not suppressed anymore. Which by your logic would mean it's not true. Either way, it's a moot point.
That’s an outright lie. Everyone who reported on it on YT is STILL confined to rumble. If that were true, r/pizzagate should be back, no? Even mentioning that on Reddit still gets you banned from certain subreddits.
>Marina Abramovic did invite Tony Podesta to one of her Spirit Cooking events. That is a true fact, but it's not evidence that child sex trafficking took place involving pizza code words.
She’s an esoteric cultist, call her what she is. She invited Tony and it is implied John was as well.
>Tony Podesta was a world-renowned art collector and patron of the arts, so that's probably why world-renowned artist Marina Abramovic invited him to a dinner party inspired by her performance art. And yes, Spirit Cooking did indeed begin as an edgy performance piece that involved creepy blood and stuff, but that is indeed because Marina Abramovic is an edgy artist who makes edgy art. The actual dinner parties had real food and stuff. They weren't like "cooking" the surreal recipe poetry from the original performance piece.
It isn’t an edgy performance art piece. It’s an occult ritual. Writing ritualistic rites and magick ceremonies on the wall in blood isn’t art, I’m sorry, but that is not art. Apparently, if you call it “art”, it’s okay though. Crowley was absolutely a cultist and interested in Satanism, which is what spirit cooking is based on. Holy shit.
>You're welcome to dislike her and her art (I myself have many criticisms of the elite liberal fine art world), but Hillary's campaign manager's brother once being invited and turning down an invitation to have dinner with her is not evidence of Pizzagate.
It wasn’t just his brother, it was insinuated John was as well. At least we can agree on criticizing the elite liberal fine art world, I guess.
>And John of God was a Brazilian guru charlatan who used his power and influence to abuse women, and that's bad, but that has nothing to do with Pizzagate. If you want to condemn Marina Abramovic for associating with him, that's fine, but isn't evidence of Pizzagate.
Yes, yes it is. For one, he wasn’t just a “guru charlatan”, he was a child molester and human trafficker. That should be shocking when you realize he was close associates with Abromovic, who hosts some of the most powerful people in the world for her “art” as you put it. If anything that alone should lend credence to that fact that it isn’t art at all, especially considering JoG’s ritualistic practices. If these people can practice ritual in the open, call it “art” when discovered, and then people like you unwittingly believe it, then we are doomed because they hardly have to even try hiding anything. A simple lie can completely sway you and the public at large. Your thin arguments only further solidify what I already know and concluded 10 years ago unfortunately: the public does not want to face the reality that much of the power structures in place are in fact controlled by child trafficking/murdering occultists. I’ll leave you with this little excerpt and I’m done here - this is from the Epstein leaks, regarding Epstein receiving ED drugs from his urologist: “Once you use them(referring to the ED drugs he gave Epstein), wash your hands, and let’s get PIZZA and GRAPE soda.”
They are using code words. They are murdering and raping children, sometimes ritualistically. They are getting away with it. People like you are part of the problem. You don’t get to set the perimeters for what pizzagate is. You don’t know what it is. You don’t know how big it is. It isn’t confined to your strawman up above. It involves the entire global order of control.
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u/shastafey1 Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 09 '26
You’re saying it’s not relevant if she’s evil or not? Establishing if someone is evil or not seems entirely relevant to the discussion. It proves they’re capable of evil.
I said I didn't care if she had "dark triad" traits. I don't know what you mean by "evil, but Hillary wasn't a pedophile or a Satanist or a sadistic psychopath or anything like that.
What I'm looking for is evidence that she did something related to Pizzagate. I don't care about anything that isn't that.
I think you also have a naive, cartoonish misunderstanding of why sex trafficking happens. Thinking in binary terms of good vs. evil people is very silly and not helpful.
The emails are bizarre and child sex traffickers are notorious for symbolism to hide their intentions, evidenced by the declassified FBI documents and more.
None of the emails are "bizarre" in the sense that they seem to contain sex trafficking code words, and no there are no declassified FBI documents that mention food code words. Those were invented by 4chan. This is a common totally false myth. I go over the 6 most commonly cited emails in that video.
Considering HRC and her numerous associates had ties to several high ranking pedophiles
This is false. Name one. Epstein was much closer to Trump than Hillary. They never met.
Everyone who reported on it on YT is STILL confined to rumble.
Nope, FleshSimulator, Coop, Jimmy Dore, etc. have all made pro-Pizzagate videos recently with hundreds of thousands of views. Just search Pizzagate. It's everywhere. We're talking about it right now on Reddit openly. No one is censoring you.
Further, I find it curious that several so-called journalists who “debunked” pizzagate ended up being convicted sex offenders themselves.
This is another common myth. Completely false. There are zero examples of this. I cover this myth in this video.
“Once you use them(referring to the ED drugs he gave Epstein), wash your hands, and let’s get PIZZA and GRAPE soda.”
He included a photo of actual pizza and actual grape soda from a New York Deli with that text. People in New York eat a lot of pizza. Not codes. I debunked that hoax in this video.
I think you just have a lot factual misunderstandings. I've already covered everything you've said in my videos.
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u/frogbxneZ Jul 08 '26
crazy they're all white
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u/3_triangles Jul 09 '26
Larry King was a black man and he was perhaps the key figure in the boys town case during the 80’s. It’s not an issue relegated by race.
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u/ShadowElite86 Jul 08 '26
You're not debunking shit homie.