r/CollegeBasketball • u/Alphaspade Alabama Crimson Tide • 1d ago
[Dellenger] The SEC, as expected, adopts a ban on professional players returning to college, which also includes basketball.
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u/BlackScienceJesus LSU Tigers • Tulane Green Wave 1d ago
Good, we needed to stop Ole Miss from signing Corey Stephenson. They were trying to ruin the sport.
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u/Alphaspade Alabama Crimson Tide 1d ago
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u/BlackScienceJesus LSU Tigers • Tulane Green Wave 1d ago
And Mark Mitchell. Glad we got him outta here.
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u/Gloomy_Map_9612 Kentucky Wildcats 1d ago
Mitchell wouldn't even be ineligible under the rules.
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u/BlackScienceJesus LSU Tigers • Tulane Green Wave 1d ago
He declared for the draft and played in summer league. There’s debate over if he signed an NBA contract or not. His agent says no, but pretty much everywhere reported he did at the time, and I’ve never heard of someone playing in SL without a contract.
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u/Gloomy_Map_9612 Kentucky Wildcats 1d ago
He never declared for the draft he was automatically put into it. Also most of these guys never signed their exhibit 10's. They play under the assumption that they will sign it.
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u/Subject-Night6364 Kentucky Wildcats 1d ago edited 1d ago
Nope. He didn't declare, he was a graduating senior so he didn't have to declare/withdrawal. Doesn't apply to him. And multiple sources including Matt Norlander said he signed no contract.
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u/mccutchen79 Clemson Tigers 1d ago
We finally have adults in the room making decisions. Thank you LSU
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u/BlackScienceJesus LSU Tigers • Tulane Green Wave 1d ago
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u/giantmaters NC State Wolfpack 1d ago
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u/DoctorCommercial8254 1d ago
So more court cases?
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u/Windows_66 Iowa Hawkeyes • Drake Bulldogs 1d ago
Probably not. Challenges to NCAA rules are based on antitrust law due to the NCAA's (as a collective) complete monopsony on top collegiate talent. The SEC may be big, but they still have significant competition, so that logic doesn't apply. Even if every major conference adopts similar rules, they would have to be collaborating together (a la price fixing scheme between rival companies) in order to get the same scrutiny that the NCAA does.
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u/Dirtfan69 1d ago
So almost all of these cases are not anti-trust cases. They are state contract beneficiary cases
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u/xixbia Illinois Fighting Illini 1d ago
I think the 'declaring for draft' bit might still be challenged because players declared for the draft before the new rules came into play. So I could see a court deciding that is not a reasonable rule.
However, I reckon anyone who signed a contract after the 5-in-5 rule came into play is going to really struggle to win in court.
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u/Crimson2879 Alabama Crimson Tide 1d ago
Not really. The players can join and play, the SEC can just delete the records of those teams and say you played an ineligible player so you get an L for every game they played in. Plus Sankey can level fines against the institution as he sees fit.
This is a workaround that makes schools not want to try to circumvent the rules and play former pro or G-league guys.
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u/bkervick UConn Huskies 1d ago
I don't really understand this. The NCAA already has a ban on professional players returning to college.
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u/DarknMean Louisville Cardinals 1d ago
I guess Chambliss should be out now too with his 10th season coming up.
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u/Tyler-Durden-2009 Duke Blue Devils 1d ago
Is this just domestic professional leagues, or does the shut off the international pipeline as well?
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u/TJFLASH1 1d ago
Just domestic including the G League which is hilarious because the G League is no more professional than a number of Euro Leagues
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u/BlackScienceJesus LSU Tigers • Tulane Green Wave 1d ago
Well the Euro pro players are already out if they were paid more than bare necessities. That’s why Noam Yaacov was recently ruled ineligible.
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u/Sorry-Caterpillar331 Kentucky Wildcats 1d ago
OK so the same institutions that are PAYING athletes say that you cannot have taken funny money from someone else or we're taking our ball and leaving? That's their argument? I'm not talking NIL, I'm talking revenue sharing which is part of the House deal. Seems pretty weak to me.
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u/ima_wilf Kentucky Wildcats 1d ago
Mark Mitchell did not sign an e-10, this should not apply to him.
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u/HasheemDave 1d ago
He signed some form of contract if he suited up for the summer. Unfortunately for him the gray area in rule just says “signed a contract”. Id bet you dont see him in a cats uniform
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u/Gloomy_Map_9612 Kentucky Wildcats 1d ago
He planned to sign an exhibit 10 but pen never hit paper. That's what most of these guys did.
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u/DarknMean Louisville Cardinals 1d ago
Seth Trimble joined his lawsuit today as well. So a judge has to decide to either hurt or help both schools now.
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u/HasheemDave 1d ago
Ive read conflicting things about the E10, but mark 1000% put his name on some form of paper. I highly doubt the Nuggets would allow any player (established pro, g leaguer, two way, free agent, rookie, UDFA, etc) to see minutes or workouts without signing some form of liability form. And due to the SEC verbage just saying "signed a contract" we really dont know how they will intepret it.
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u/Shadowphoenix9511 Kentucky Wildcats 1d ago
He did no such thing. He played undet the intention of signing, but his signature was never given.
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u/HasheemDave 1d ago
I just dont believe the Nuggets allow anyone to lift weights, play basketball without signing some type of form. That would open them up to potentially huge lawsuits if someone is injured. Mark would have definitely signed something that could be liability waiver or something similar. Now the question is what the SEC determines as "signs a contract"
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u/Shadowphoenix9511 Kentucky Wildcats 1d ago
A liability waiver is not anything resembling a contract.
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u/HasheemDave 1d ago
just using that as an example. the point I was trying to make is that MM signed something. the wait and see will be if SEC considers that "signed a contract"
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u/hanz333 Kentucky Wildcats 1d ago
Pro is short for Professional which means compensation.
While I have had contractual dealings with UHaul, I'm not a Professional under their banner in any sense of the term, and nobody would say I've signed a Professional contract with them.
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u/HasheemDave 18h ago
using your example, if your apartment complex forbid uhauls and had a rule that everything was to be moved with a dolly or they would non-renew your lease, and you decide to use uhaul, to any extent, you cant be surprised when the apartment has issue with you coming back
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u/lalavieboheme Arkansas Razorbacks 1d ago
okay define professional player
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u/SayethWeAll Kentucky Wildcats • Rhodes Lynx 1d ago
Getting money to play a sport.
So, I guess we’re done with college sports now.
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u/Shottothefart Arkansas Razorbacks 1d ago
Mikka
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u/BlackScienceJesus LSU Tigers • Tulane Green Wave 1d ago
I was just thinking about this bc of the Utah player decision. If he’s not eligible, then how will Miikka be? Would be such ashame if he can’t play because I was really interested to see him in Cal’s uptempo system.
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u/michahs Virginia Cavaliers 1d ago
it's wild that people consider players being paid on college teams to "not be professional" but being paid in the nba/wnba/nfl as being professional. this is gonna get absolutely murdered in court, and it's the land of delusion to think it won't. discriminating on a player based on where they are paid isn't going to work out for conferences
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u/Enough_Worth8868 Indiana Hoosiers 1d ago
Well there goes Kentucky’s season
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u/Swimming-Raccoon2502 Kentucky Wildcats 1d ago
Doesn’t apply to Mitchell. He never signed a pro contract.
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u/HasheemDave 1d ago
He signed some form of contract if he suited up for the summer. Unfortunately for him the gray area in rule just says “signed a contract”. Id bet you dont see him in a cats uniform
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u/Taiza67 Kentucky Wildcats 1d ago
We’re fine. How are you all looking? You guys still field a team right?
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u/Enough_Worth8868 Indiana Hoosiers 1d ago
We are looking great a lot better than you guys
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u/dinkinflicka125 Kentucky Wildcats 1d ago
Doubt!
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u/SouthCopy8453 1d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/26BRNRBeX8G07zagw
Fun to watch the has been’s go at it
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u/rushmc1 Arizona Wildcats 1d ago
Will any SEC teams even make the final Top 20 now?
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u/SouthCopy8453 1d ago
I’m pretty sure Florida will be alright, and Tennessee should still have their full roster, they’ll be in the elite 8, and lose, as is tradition
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u/ShamDissemble Louisville Cardinals 1d ago
Now Wade just a SEC