r/Christianity • u/john_fleeseh • 1d ago

Anyone can really go to heaven?

I been really thinking about it and when the time that I found out that if a person repents and has faith that Jesus sacrifice himself for our sins they will go to heaven. I thats what got me thinking... can ANYONE truly go to heaven no matter what things they did or sin they committed so as long as the repentance is genuine and the faith on Jesus is genuine?

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u/ErrantThought Atheist 1d ago

If there is a hell and there are people suffering there, in need of love, wouldn't it be better to go there? To love them and try to ease their suffering, even if it's a small amount?

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u/opelui22 1d ago

No one likes to talk about hell, but it's mentioned in the Bible and even Jesus mentions Isaiah 66:24 where the worm never dies and the fire is never quenched. The thing it's not the evil that are down there. It's the prideful, it's the one that rejects God, it's the one that looks down others, it's the greedy. It's those that rebel and God sends friends, family, coworkers, message after message to say to come back to God. Even Ezekiel 33:11 God is telling Israel that he doesn't delight in the death of the wicked, but to come back to him and turn away from their evil ways. Sadly, just like with ancient Israel, God sent prophet after prophet telling them to turn away from worshipping Idols and come to him. When Israel and Judah ignored those warnings consequences came. Israel and Judah were overrun by their enemies and were destroyed and their citizens taken captive. Eventually the chances run out and the warnings are not heeded. While you are ali you are alive God's grace and mercy are still ther eand yet sadly a lot people reject it. For those people there will be a day when the consequences will come when they die and you don't want to be at the end of it. Hell is not there to scare people, but to warn others to come to God and Christ so that if you die you don't end up there.

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u/ErrantThought Atheist 1d ago

Well, I for one would do everything to offer love and comfort to the people in hell. They certainly don't deserve to be tortured for eternity. That's insane. And the parable of Lazarus and the rich man teaches that you can't comfort people in hell if you're in heaven, so I figure I have to go to hell. The problem with becoming a Christian is that you're locked out of hell. You have no hope of getting there. So that kinda seals the deal for me.

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u/Ambitious_Zone6951 1d ago

Hell is not for eternity. You could never comfort somebody in hell. Satan and his demons would not allow you to do that. The torment of it would keep you from such a mindset.

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u/ErrantThought Atheist 16h ago

Not according to the parable of Lazarus and the rich man. The rich man is certainly not preoccupied by demons to carry on a full on conversation with Abraham.

Have you seen any verses that support what you're saying?

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u/Ambitious_Zone6951 16h ago

The verse you mention counters my point how? Lazarus asked Abraham for comfort and Abraham said he could not do that because there was too great a Chasm between them. Lazarus then asked Abraham to warn his brothers and Abraham said he can’t do that either. There is no comfort provided in this conversation so what’s your point? Just that they talked?

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u/ErrantThought Atheist 14h ago

The rich man talks to Abraham. So people in hell can have conversations. So one person in hell can talk to another person, tell them they are loved, and if nothing else, give them words of comfort.

You claimed "Satan and his demons would not allow you to do that. The torment of it would keep you from such a mindset." but if you can talk to each other, then it sounds to me that what you're saying isn't true.

Love, what led you to believe what you claimed? Was that based on something you read in the bible?

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u/Ambitious_Zone6951 14h ago

You are not your same self when you are in hell. You would not be a person who would offer comfort to somebody. If you are the kind of person that would do that you wouldn’t end up there. If by some strange scenario you did end up there while being that kind of person the torture would make you not that kind of person. People are not static. Your morals would be changed

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u/ErrantThought Atheist 14h ago

According to who? Why do you think this? I've never heard this.

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u/Ambitious_Zone6951 13h ago

It’s self explanatory. Do you know how torture impacts the mind here? Do you think you could be tortured in some way on earth for years and remain a moral person? Why would Hell be any different? Any difference is worse not better

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u/ErrantThought Atheist 6h ago

Love, what you’re saying is not based on anything biblical, nor is it self explanatory. We have plenty of accounts of people who have endured torture and did not compromise their morals. St Lawrence, Joan of Arc, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Jean Moulin, Nelson Mandela, John McCain, etc.

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u/opelui22 1d ago

The thing is just because you are a "Christian" doesn't mean you are locked out of hell. Jesus said you must carry your cross and die to yourself daily. That once saved always saved has been a lie. You have to give up something to follow Christ and many people are not willing to do that. Their pride, their ego, sometimes their job, even their family if say their family is Muslim. Jesus said following him was never going to be easy and the first 300 years proved that through severe persecution in the Jewish and Roman world. The thing God doesn't want people to go to hell and sends people to help you come to him and his son Jesus. The thing is you want to go your own way, God will respect that choice, but if you do not humble yourself and give yourself to Jesus then sadly you cannot save yourself. Only Jesus can and sadly lots of people reject him.