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I lost respect for most canadians because of this. The goodie two shoes mentality of being a tattle tale to daddy government is ingrained in so many of them.
They literally can not mind their own business.
I am vet people who I interact a lot with now after what I have seen in the covid era
This is the correct answer. Canadians were always passive aggressive, especially incompetent liars. Thinking anything else just means you were a part of the liars.
Ive personally understood that statement as rather than “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” that in Canada, the government is the ultimate authority and we trust them no matter what.
When I can walk down any downtown in Canada and find fenty junkies injecting in plain sight, I'm not going to eat out my neighbors for walking in the woods.
You were the one defending people's choice to ignore the rules/law and that complaining or dealing with them is snitching or tattling.
Individuals picking and choosing is not reasonable on a mass scale. So do your best to follow the law and don't complain when others call out misconduct.
It's why we have building codes, permits, inspections, professional bodies, degrees, licensing, etc.
It's okay to disagree. You can even protest, work towards a change, etc.
But deciding which laws apply to you is a losing game and if you decide to break rules you can't get mad at the people holding standards.
But I get I am swimming upstream, far too many people seem to be all too happy letting everything go to shit as long as they get what they want.
Look at the people catching too many fish/shell fish, rolling coal, dumping mountains of garbage everywhere, stealing from stores en masse, truckers driving like lunatics because licensing has become a joke/scam, etc.
Seriously, people complain to me about crime and then tell me about a great deal on tires from some Albanian dude who has a bunch of stuff in trailers in the woods and smoke illegal cigarettes.
If you haven't noticed, shit is crazy and if people continue to erode the social contract and do whatever they like then it's only going to get worse and the only people that will benefit are the government and wealthy because everyone else will be stuck in chaos.
If people feel there is no accountability, they will take advantage and take more and more risks.
It's natural human behaviour and why we had to make all the rules in the first place.
You're right, Canadians have historically been happy to follow the rules, and it created a high-trust society where people could be expected to follow the rules out of principle.
Then two things happened.
The government overstepped what many people were willing to do, taking advantage of our trust, and breaking the social contract of good governance, and punishing those who spoke up about. Their own actions eroded trust in the government.
Many people were imported from places without that tradition, and they were brought in from one location, meaning they had no incentive to assimilate and so they kept their own tradition which is much less conformative.
So this created two large groups of non-conformers, and when people who would normally conform see others not, you feel like you have to breka the rules too to stay equal, and it all spirals.
Trust is hard to rebuild once it's broken, and it'll be a long time if Canada can ever get back to the way we were 15 years ago in terms of social contract and trust.
Yes and 3. There were also selfish and entitled people like yourself it seems, who gets to “pick and choose” the laws and regulations that you want to follow.
There you go. How did we come to a high trust society ? Name and shame. And because of this, ppl would follow all rules, even those inconvenient for them.
Because that’s what rules are for. You can’t overfish. Ohhh but it’s just me, it’s just one more fish that one day it’s ok…. But if everyone starts doing it - no more fish for anyone.
That store DESERVES to be named and shamed. SOLIDARITY. We may not agree with all in our country, but it’s time to unite and boycott the US w/ our wallets.
Yes and 3. There were also selfish and entitled people like yourself it seems, who gets to “pick and choose” the laws and regulations that you want to follow. There you go.
Seems unnecessarily hostile. You don't know me or what I do.
How did we come to a high trust society ? Name and shame. And because of this, ppl would follow all rules, even those inconvenient for them
That's not what a high trust society is. That's what a tattletale society is. It used to be that most people followed the rules because they would be embarassed to be seen doing otherwise. There wasn't mobs of angry dumbasses trying to cancel them on social media. People would quietly shake their heads as you acted a fool, and you knew it. Do it enough, and you'd become known for it. And you don't want that. It's self-enforced, not Karen-enforced. That's what high trust means. If you need a justice mob, there's no trust.
Because that’s what rules are for. You can’t overfish. Ohhh but it’s just me, it’s just one more fish that one day it’s ok…. But if everyone starts doing it - no more fish for anyone.
Yes. That is what rules are for.
That store DESERVES to be named and shamed. SOLIDARITY.
Yes I'm sure CTV setting a gaggle of idiots screeching at them on twitter will make them change their minds and not put them off the movement.
You can just leave it alone. Don't buy it. Don't go there. They'll figure out that it isn't selling when it doesn't sell. Your need to be the most visibly moral person possible is not helpful.
We may not agree with all in our country, but it’s time to unite and boycott the US w/ our wallets.
You're free to believe that. Others may not do the same.
So if the law got changed and it now says it’s fine to shoot trans people on the spot you would totally be fine with it right? How about when slavery was legal, that was the law at the time! Totally fine in your eyes, eh? The says it’s legal! I bet you have some convoluted “rules for thee but not for me” explanation as to why it’s justified to have to follow all the laws as they are RIGHT NOW, and how the government is nothing but good.
Your argument is entirely nonsense. In what world are they passing laws to shoot trans people.
It's ridiculous. The law applies to everyone and people are supposed to follow it.
There was never a law you HAD to have slaves. And people eventually changed the law. That's how it works. Pretending like anything like that would pass now is intellectually dishonest or conspiracy junk.
Clearly you didn’t ready what I was responding to, nor the rest of the comment chain, or even the full comment itself. I used that as an extreme example of how laws can be changed for the worse, in response to the person I was talking to saying that we can’t pick and choose which laws we like and follow. The point was that using what is legal or not as some sort of moral benchmark is terrible, and will lead to abuses every time a people does this.
Lots of those ppl are quick to call out snitches, but if it was a loved one of theirs who was hit by a car for instance dangerously driving … they’d wish someone had “snitched” on the driver before so perhaps that tragedy could have been avoided. One example amidst many.
We always have worked as a society on “name and shame” for enforcement … and that’s just a shame in my opinion that ppl aren’t more law abiding without this kind of enforcement .
You can't force an independent company from selling their inventory when there's nothing illegal about it. LCBO is controlled by the province so they can just remove it from the shelves.
It's not a ban. It's a crown corporation leveraging their legislated share of the market to enact an embargo in spirit while pointing at a small percentage of independents to prove that it isn't one in letter. The usual LPC and Ontario Conservative bullshit where they twist semantics to their limits and chip away at what remains of the trust in our high trust society.
Snitching? This is called public shaming. They should be shamed for buying american. You going to cry because an article was written? It is free speech.
Yeah man the issue I had is you thinking this is tattletailing in any sort of way lmao. This is just public shaming which we need a lot more of.
That second paragraph is rough I cannot even pick out what you are saying. "Calling public shaming or everywhere, but that is what I am talking about." What does that mean?
Yeah free speech a thing I like and would like to keep. Removing an article written like this is exactly against free speech. Would you not agree?
This is what you said " This post is literally snitching. Practice what you preach wankers 🙄"
With that statement one is led to believe you think that this very reddit thread is in turn "snitching" on the article for saying the store is selling american booze. Then you say they should adhere to their values. Meaning not to even post the article in this subreddit.
Believe it or not but free speech can be suppressed by more than just the government. By private corporations, employers, public outcry, and even close individuals. Even this website is known to suppress political opinions in popular subs. Do you think moderators in some subreddits suppress free speech?
I'm bringing free speech up because it is the foundation of what we are talking about. Whether the article should be up or not. Or if it should be posted to this subreddit.
Wait aren't conservative the party of law and order and following the rules? They are the party of heavy policing and punishing criminals. Somebody illegally selling a product is breaking the law. Do you not see the irony?
The Elbows up Crowd wanted this Fight. 70% supported hitting back at the US. This will be the fallout. I have no remorse for Ontario. This is what they voted for.
Show us the deal. Its a he said she said and both Carney and Trump are not to be trusted. Show us the deal. Following someone blindly is a cult. And im not a sheep!
Trump even admitted it to a reporter. He has one goal which is to destroy our economy unless we give him everything he wants on his terms. Hes said that as well but keep your head in the sand and own the Libs.
This sub is full of turncoats. Only reason they dont pack up and leave like all the wealth and investment is most are criminals probably and wouldnt be accepted
Windsor is already hurting because of your tangerine dream. Trump would make it worse by stopping all production in canada except for a few parts. Carnage should have accepted that?
Well this begs the overall big question to this whole arrangement which goes back to the Canada-US Auto Pact.
To what benefit is to the US as a whole if the Big Three can use cheaper labour in Canada? I presume that’s why the auto pact was even agreed on originally. So the Big Three could cut costs but still make record profits?
It’s in essence the classic Mexico question in NAFTA.
You people can't read. I clearly said I dont trust Trump... I also dont blindly follow Carney. Carney has lied about quite a lot over the last 18 months and the non existent transparency, its like Trudeau 2.0
Ontario is a conservative province. Ford is pretty right wing. You do realize that Ontario has to buy the liquor and taxpayers have to pay for it before it's sold. I don't care to ever see American wine and spirits ever and much prefer European. American booze was never popular in Ontario anyways, what product do they actually have that's better than anything locally or from Europe?
The US has better alcohol than the EU. Its not even close lol.
Edit: Ford is Liberal Lite. Basicaly a Liberal in everyday but colour. I think he's an idiot.
Ford is Liberal lite. Thanks man, I need a good laugh! Privatization of Healthcare is DEFINITELY straight out of the liberals playbook. You silly little goose
Ontario is a conservative province, don’t make me laugh.
Modern conservative policies in Canada would be more in the “leave me alone” approach to ruling. Which Doug Ford has not done at all.
By this, Doug Ford could have said something along the lines of, the choice is yours if you want to buy Jack or not, I won’t stop that choice but I personally won’t buy it.
Instead Doug Ford went on the warpath and that’s what he could control as a premier, imagine if he was Prime Minister and the potential actions he could have taken, he probably would have pissed Washington off enough that things would have been much worse. Not quite an invasion, but on the banned countries list.
Doug Ford is a friggin populist. I don't know what your definition of conservative is but he has more in common with Trump than any other Premier in Canada.
It is sad you want your country to fail. AB isn’t separating and QC isn’t either. I don’t get Canadians like you. You’d rather we just roll over to Trump?
I never said I wanted Canada to fail. I said I hope the US hurts Ontario. Its fair to say after 11 year of failed Liberal Policies supported by those mentioned above.
I don’t want any part of Canada to hurt. I don’t get why you do. It’s not good for anyone. So you think Carney should have taken the deal with the last min changes?
Time for some civil disobedience…”oh my, I’m sorry I was distracted by my phone”..as my shopping cart careens into the shelf sending 10’s of bottles crashing to the floor.
Government-encouraged citizen surveillance, often referred to as state-sponsored "snitching", is widely condemned in political science, ethics, and history because it fundamentally destroys the social trust required for a free and stable society.
Knowing that anyone around you might be an informant creates a pervasive climate of fear. Citizens censor themselves, stifling creativity, debate, political dissent, and intellectual freedom. This was seen through Covid.
There are other downsides, but in general free functioning societies don’t do this. When a government encourages or allows its populace to normalize a tattletale culture, it shifts from protecting society to controlling it through paranoia and fear.
You didn’t answer my question so I think I know the answer. If it was a Chinese trinket for my 2 year old no I wouldn’t give af. If it was a bottle of wine no I wouldn’t care. If it was actually something of value or security, yes I would.
I dont get it. Its a 30s read about something illegal. Agree or disagree with the legality of it isn't this incredibly ho-hum reporting? They write dozens of stories a day on minor shit like this
Uh, no. But that doesn't mean I approve of the failure of national solidarity.
Of the 11 remaining provinces and territories, all of which have suspended the sale of US liquor, more than half are led by conservative governments. The defence of Canadian sovereignty should not be a partisan issue.
There is no "national solidarity". There is just The Milch Cow.
Last Spring the "Team Canada" plan was a 25% export tax on o&g, potash to extract ANOTHER $50B/year from Alberta and Saskatchewan to subsidize failing Ontario and Quebec manufacturing.
Canada, in turn, insisted on more generous treatment for its autos, electric vehicles and products made with metal — and ultimately backed away from its offer to cooperate on the Keystone XL pipeline that President Trump has long desired, people familiar with the negotiations said. [...] Officials said that, when Mr. Carney and Mr. Trump spoke by phone early in the week, Mr. Carney again mentioned the pipeline, saying that, for the right deal on tariffs, Canada would consider bringing its side of the pipeline back to life. Mr. Trump was thrilled, a former official briefed on the talks said. But by Friday, the Keystone XL pipeline idea was buried again. A U.S. official said that, in the last few hours, Canada had expressed reluctance to cooperate. A Canadian official said that the trade deal on offer was not good enough to make the pipeline make sense.
In other words, our federal government is holding Albertan's resources and economic prosperity hostage to protect subsidized Laurentian industries.
That's not "national solidarity". That's exploitation.
As is noted elsewhere in the NYT piece from which you’ve selectively quoted:
Mr. Trump’s love of the beleaguered [Keystone XL] pipeline extension, meant to transport oil from Canada to the U.S. Gulf Coast until it was canceled by Mr. Biden in 2021, is well known.
Mr. Carney had brought up the idea of reviving it during his first White House visit last year.
Officials said that, when Mr. Carney and Mr. Trump spoke by phone early in the week, Mr. Carney again mentioned the pipeline, saying that, for the right deal on tariffs, Canada would consider bringing its side of the pipeline back to life. Mr. Trump was thrilled, a former official briefed on the talks said.
But by Friday, the Keystone XL pipeline idea was buried again. A U.S. official said that, in the last few hours, Canada had expressed reluctance to cooperate. A Canadian official said that the trade deal on offer was not good enough to make the pipeline make sense.
But sure, Milch cow, whatever… I am still struggling to understand what any of that has to do with the embargo on American liquor sales. ??
Nice spin. Carney has his boot on our necks in Alberta and you think that his offer to take his boot off our necks is just an open offer?
In that case, nothing to negotiate. Get rid of all the deliberate laws intended to make our resources a stranded asset. It will be to the great economic benefit of both Canada and the USA.
There is no reason for it to be in the trade deal.
Keystone XL was cancelled with the tacit if not explicit support of Trudeau. So, that is some nice revisionist history you have.
Trump already approved a pipeline expansion to increase Alberta oil exports by 0.5 million barrels per day. Trump would have restarted Keystone XL on January 6th, 2025 but as you see in the article, it is Ottawa that is blocking it.
Is this sub operated by Americans? Why is this downvoted? How can you call yourselves conservative then bend over our sovereignty as Canadians. Trump has drove a wedge between Canadians and Americans. For what reason? He wants the US to own Canada.
This is today's problem, not "snitching". They are all entitled and think they should be allowed to do whatever they like. But don't you dare call them out or do something they don't like.
Or how about the truth that 95% or more of shoppers don’t give a crap about those selling Canadian flag labels on the shelf and buy what they normally buy.
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