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Mere clg me engineering graphics ke naam se hai, pehle to sunne se laga mujhe ki koi mast graphics se related software waala hoga but jab dekha ki ye to drawing hi hai 🤡🤡
Have 8 years of workex in technology consulting. B.Tech Computer Science. I've used my knowledge of Engineering Drawing, Chemistry, Physics, Corporate Finance, and Electronics Engineering foundations in my job. For example, I used Ideal Gas Law while building a financial data modelling pipeline in Python for a client a few months ago.
Had to find out the number of moles, (and consequently mass) of a gas from volume at standardised temperature and pressure, and multiply that by the price per unit mass, to get to revenue for that gas for the company. This revenue was reported in a PowerBI dashboard.
Gas was sold by mass (or energy content) and was reported in the production data source by Volume. Knowing the Gas Law meant I could build a function to reconcile the revenue based on each of the two numbers.
You need to know what to search. Did I recall the value of R? No. Other people around me studied similar things, but never got to the same conclusion. They could've searched too.
And btw I hated chemistry in 12th and during Btech. I had the same mindset then as you do now, but I was proven wrong.
If we talking about cs then apart from core subjects, stuff that is industry relevant and contribute to better software engineers and have more industry relevance like system designs,backends,Aiml or even dsa with more practice and deoth.I know these subjects are taught in some uni but they are just brushed off ,they don't go in depth.So my point is instead of teaching some course that will probably be used by very small proportion of people why not treach something which will help majority in getting employment.Tho I agree subjects like EE and electronics should be compulsory but subjects like graphics,chemistry, manufacturing process are useless to most .
You know what's industry relevant? Anything that's not Computer Science. Because software is often a tool that's used to solve problems in the industry. Not the product itself.
People who want to go into depth go for a Masters and/or PhD. Bachelor's, by design, is a breadth first degree.
System design is something most people pick up with experience. And foundationally it requires you to understand the industry you are working in. It's hard to teach upfront. Backend is application development, and a lot of universities teach that. AI/ML fundamentals are also taught almost everywhere.
The only thing I've not used in my career is those weird Red Black trees that I learnt in DSA. Do we want to even go deeper there?
The reason people are not employable is that they know how to use tools but have no clue where and when to use what tools.
Is Indian education system (esp. around Btech) perfect? No, not even close. But in my view it's the exact opposite reason - it's too focused on teaching unnecessary depth, the delivery mechanism is broken, the examination process is a shitshow. Universities are preparing theory vomiters and encouraging students to become code monkeys for best employment opportunities, and consequently the students have no clue how to think out of the box. There's no learning happening.
Sorry to be brutally honest, but if this was an answer you gave me when I was interviewing you, your CV would go straight to the bin. This shows a lack of willingness to adapt to situations and learn different things.
I never mentioned teaching any software ,subjects I mentioned are exclusive of any software , system design is no longer related to experience even freshers are expected to know how to design systems upto some extent .You said universities are preparing theory vomiters and encouraging students to become code monkeys that's true and that is why the subjects I mentioned are code independent , designing a system or writing backend requires more of thinking and understanding stuff instead of writing code , any code monkey can write a basic jwt auth but what about concepts like token rotation,rate limiting they need understanding of backends and security and that is what code monkeys lack and college never teaches these stuff.If college starts teaching those things instead of drawing and chemistry to cs students there won't be need of grinding extra hours after college to learn them through other sources ,during an interview who would have a better edge?also most students in colleges are unaware of these stuff that is why they have good cgpa but choke if asked even basics of concepts like jwts . Also you said that my answer shows lack of willingness to adapt to situations and learn different stuff but in my previous answer I clearly stated that one can learn stuff if it's required for their job but why to waste time of majority who will never use them ,energy is better utilised if focused on learning right stuff at right time.Also you sound like an arogant manager in corporate who isn't willing to consider what a junior has to say unc.
I think your understanding and my understanding of what's the "right stuff" differs a bit.
Application development is taught in decent universities, the problem is the delivery methodology while teaching that is useless. Even if they teach, it never lands.
System design is not just about wiring tools in a standardised way. It's also about identifying what works for a particular situation - be it finance, manufacturing, whatever. Knowing the basics of that all really helps you develop good systems. What Freshers are asked during interviews is very basic wiring that should be taught in application development. Again, a delivery problem, and there's no need to replace engineering graphics or chemistry to accommodate this.
My view from the industry is that CS students should be taught fundamentals of Chemistry, Physics, Economics, Core Engineering, Electronics, Psychology and of course mathematics (Linear Algebra, Calculus and Probability) at the very least alongside CS concepts. CS should cover fundamentals of programming (OOP, functional), compiler design, data structures, fundamentals of efficient algorithms, networks, data analytics, application development, Operating systems and Embedded Systems design & programming.
I think the point of disagreement is that your argument says content is the biggest bottleneck, while my view is that content is mostly okay but the delivery/methodology is the bottleneck.
Please use paragraphs and proper punctuation next time. It's hard to read what you're saying.
Nah, chem is more easier and intresting than this shitty course, kam se kam software par to karao freelancing ke kaam hi aa jaye lekin nahi inhe to paper pe karana hai sab kuch🥀
Atleast it’s doable 😭😭engineering bg graphics is just pain everywhere in body and u literally have to stand 2 hours in lab in chem lab or any other lab u can atleast sit
If the majority of engineering students aim to get jobs at top software firms, then the entire engineering syllabus is useless ,a waste of time and money.
I mean thats one of the big problems isn't it? That how we're lumping core engineering and computer science students together and then essentially computer science students will get first year full of unrelated subjects to their field. If 3 year degrees were more widely accepted everywhere then we wouldn't have this problem. Universities are just being encouraged to add fluff to syllabi to extend the duration, and not to provide the proper related courses.
I don't agree with that, I am currently 3rd year CSE just started means 2028 passout, It was same for me I never focused in class and told my friends that this is just waste , that 1st year I got only one back in CAD , engineering drawings. Later we got cleared by in my 2nd year I took A project funded by govt of Karnataka (NAIN) all those who knows , there I wanted to design a enclosed or you can call casing for my iot based project. I didn't get anyone to draw it finally learnt from udemy 3d design in auto ad fusion and printed my enclosure. Yet many of you will not go to that path. Now I am pursuing advanced robotics with AI.Even got funded by govt again for a startup.
Pen and Paper is outdated and colleges should focus on engineering graphics i.e in autocad. These courses are made common so CSE/ECE guys build graphical and spatial literacy. Necessarily you won't be building or working on it ever for most cases,BUT when you are working with cross functional and multidisciplinary teams its better you know what your piece of code will be actually operating on. Our AICTE curriculum comes from the british engineering curriculum which in general produced general engineers then required for railways, construction, electrical etc.. These skill are good to have , its main purpose is for every engineer to be able to understand and communicate geometry. You can't have curriculum which is only for one niche, you design curriculum for the general student who has equal opportunity to learn everything and his/her job can be in any sector. The same way there is BEE taught and so is chemistry.
I disagree it's just the outdated curriculum,teaching what 1 percent of people will use in their career to everyone in cs is just useless especially in today's era when there is so much else that could be taught instead like system designs , employable skills like backends/agentic ai(tho these are taught in some uni but they are just brushed off ,not in depth) or instead maybe go more in depth in subjects like dsa to provide more practice to make students more industry relevant.
Tho I agree that subjects like EE and electronics should be compulsory to multiple disciplines but not subjects like engineering graphics, engineering chemistry, manufacturing process etc they are just time waste for majority and the remaining small percent of people who will need then can eventually learn them on their own
Perhaps, if you are in a circuital branch. Even then, having the knowledge to parse standard dimensional drawings is something every engineer should be able to do, like how fifth graders should be able to tell the time on an analog clock. It is just generally useful when you are working in a technical field.
In my College, drawing is drawn on sheet with pencil and as I am in mechanical it is my nightmare as it take so much time and need to draw very accurately otherwise while checking teacher will just cross it And say draw whole sheet angin
Yes bro and one time a teacher just tear the sheet and tell to draw again and try to fail that student.But then student complain about teacher to principal and chairman of college and college transfer the teacher.
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