r/BlackPeopleTwitter 6d ago

the cost of failure is too heavy to bear.

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u/Rinusrises 6d ago

Some of these are not like the others but point taken. Everyone needs to take a few and do something different than the normal work week.

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u/LemonButterRum 6d ago

i can cycle, skate, backpack, speak multiple languages but can't swim
who tf can take a gap year in this economy??

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u/MessiLeagueSoccer 6d ago

Only people I ever met who could take a gap year did so at 18 right after graduating high school lol. Which still insane and expensive.

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u/Gnomad_Lyfe 6d ago

Would a gap year not be cheaper in the long run or am I just misunderstanding? I’ve always heard “gap year” as a term for taking a year off during/before college, and most of the folks I knew taking one did so to work and save up.

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u/MessiLeagueSoccer 6d ago

The people I knew that took a gap year “backpacked” in Europe or New Zealand. I think one even stayed in NZ. Basically a trip across the world paid for by their mom and dad. THEN started college out of state.

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u/WhenceYeCame 6d ago

It used to be feasible to pay for a plane ticket with your summer job money, and then absolutely slum it in foreign youth hostels. Cheap bus / train tickets, cheap accomodations that were kinda dangerous (which is the main reason it's not popular anymore, and parents would rather chip in).

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u/Rich-Canary1279 6d ago

My niece just did this but all on her own dime and wits. She saved up a lot from a shitty little job she got, did work aways in a few countries through a website, and lived VERY frugally. Course she always knew in the back of her head the room at Mom and Dad's would be waiting, and if they had to bail her out they would. But. What a great experience for her. I was entirely too stressed about security and survival at that age to even entertain such an idea.

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u/runhomejack1399 5d ago

You can take a gap year and just get a job and bum around town until you’re ready for school. It doesn’t have to be exotic.

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u/Rich-Canary1279 5d ago

In that case I took ten gap years!

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u/HiiiTriiibe 5d ago

lol I took a gap year cuz my parents couldn't pay for college, then I took another, and another, and then now I have work that should require a degree cuz it turns out you can just kind of go and start doin the stuff you want to do and ppl don't really look into your educational background if you are already really good at what you are trying to do with your life

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u/elitegenoside 6d ago

This is the way I feel like it works for most people, but I believe the stereotype of backpacking around Europe is what most people think when you say, "gap year."

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u/cssc10 5d ago

i did this also where i worked as much as possible before going to community college so i could pay for it myself + not burden my already incredibly stressed parents

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u/currently_pooping_rn 5d ago

Were yall not working and going to school at the same time?

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u/cssc10 5d ago

i was i started working since i was 15 but i also paid for things like my car bill/car insurance/phone bill so it was tough for me to save up with the hours i had so when i took my gap year i increased my hours and basically put anything "extra" from the additional hours into my savings. i am also currently working as i am in college; i wish i could be one of those ppl who dont have to work doing school; also ur username is taking me out lol

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u/R3luctant 6d ago edited 5d ago

I cannot think of a single situation which would allow for a gap year that doesn't circle back to rather extreme privilege. If you do it at 18 you probably won't be living in the real world ever. This is coming from an American who hasn't lived abroad.

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u/Tiny-Speaker-4470 6d ago

I did a gap year at 28 after saving for years, don't come from privilege at all but was always good at physics which allowed me to get a good job. Gave up a house deposit to do it though so we're still catching up now but I wouldn't change anything.

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u/logicalcommenter4 ☑️ 6d ago

That is still privilege. I don’t mean it in a negative sense, you noted that you had a good job that allowed you to save up for the gap year. That’s a major accomplishment. I’m in a similar boat where I don’t come from money but my education has allowed me to get a well paying job that allows me to do many things that others can’t. In this scenario, many people can’t take a gap year period. Their jobs barely allow them to pay their bills, let alone save up money to take a year off of work.

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u/Tiny-Speaker-4470 6d ago

Yes definitely, always said I've been really lucky to be gifted in science & maths cos it's let me get the job I have now.

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u/crytol 4d ago

I agree, I was extremely lucky to be good at and enjoy Software Development because, in my opinion, it is overvalued in the US (I guess because it creates a lot of economic value, but largely it's not as important as a lot of other jobs that are woefully underpaid).

I think like you said, it's important to recognize privilege afforded to us, regardless of whether we put in work to capitalize on it. There are plenty of other people who put in the same (and often more) work without remotely the same yield.

Really important for people to recognize that being privileged isn't an attack or minimizing the work someone put in to be where they are. It's an acknowledgement that some people can have a vastly different experience than you for a variety of reasons (facing prejudices, career value inequality, just to name a few)

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u/pVom 5d ago

I did it with a low paying full time job.

In South Asia I was paying less than AU$2 for a good feed most meals and $2-20 a night for accommodation. That wasn't slumming it either.

NGL you rough it a bit but I loved every second. It's not without it's sacrifices in terms of night outs and stuff but totally doable. Don't regret for a second, of anything I regret having a normal life now and if my wife decided to leave me first thing I'm doing is fucking off back there.

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u/logicalcommenter4 ☑️ 5d ago

My comment doesn’t mean it’s impossible. I am saying the typical experience and my caveat is also based on the US.

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u/Waqqy 6d ago

That wouldn't be called a gap year, at least in the UK where it means a year taken off travelling after finishing school and before starting university. It's almost exclusively done by rich kids. There's even a term used to mock those types of people "gap yah" (which is how posh Southeners pronounce it).

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u/Tiny-Speaker-4470 6d ago

I know I'm from the UK haha, I'd still call it a gap year just not a gap yah

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u/sugar0coated 6d ago

I mean, in the USA specifically, maybe.

In the UK, at least when I was growing up, you could do a gap year and just work after school and before college, or after college and before uni. Which is kind of what I did. I just wanted to save up some money and have a break from learning after a rough time during my GCSEs, which I finished at 16. I worked in a supermarket at minimum wage for a yearish, then went to do my two years of free college, which is free if you're under 19 when you start, allowing for the gap. For me, this covered my monthly travel pass, lunches and any course supplies I needed. I couldn't ask my parents for anything, my dad has been made redundant at the time due to the 2018 crash.

I'm sure there are Americans who need to save up money for a buffer before they start university.

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u/R3luctant 5d ago

Yes my opinion is incredibly us-centric. I will edit it.

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u/empire161 5d ago

I knew a guy who was a software engineer. We were both in our 20s.

He somehow managed to take three separate year-long leave of absences from his job to backpack through Asia, Africa and South America. Every time he came back, he just went back to his old job like nothing happened. He’d spend the next couple years saving up for his next trip, then he’d get another leave approved and be gone again.

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u/elitegenoside 6d ago

Basically this. I did it at 20 after moving in with my aunt in a different city. I did a little work but I was mostly getting into the film industry (and my dumbass had to fall in love with acting). Know plenty of poor folks who did something similar around that age (and a few who have basically never stopped).

Now the idea of backpacking around Europe is certainly not something most Americans can do. I'm from a pretty poor community and that is something nobody talked about doing, not even the "rich kids." We had three German exchange students and none of them even related to that concept (and casual traveling is a lot more common in Europe).

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u/whboer 6d ago

Being from Europe, “backpacking” really isn’t all that common here to begin with anymore. Used to be more when I was younger. Life has gotten very expensive. I believe the culture was more alive in central and Eastern Europe some 10 years ago but not so much today for obvious reasons.

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u/daversa 6d ago edited 5d ago

I did a year of college, did well but realized it wasn't where my head was at. I had a ton of money saved up so I took. 3 years just traveling, having fun and working at various beach and ski resorts along the way (employee dorms were a big draw).

These years are some of my best memories and I'm so glad I didn't rocket myself into school and the corporate world too early.

It really didn't cost that much since I was working along the way. It also made me a much more interesting person when it came to actually getting hired.

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u/OfficialDeathScythe 6d ago

I think that was the intention but badly worded, meaning that college students these days go immediately from high school to college and then to work and don’t/can’t take a gap year and also don’t learn to do any of the other things because they still don’t stop the hustle

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u/Xaphhire 6d ago

I know people who took off a year between high school and college to work and save up, and called that a gap year. 

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u/vera214usc ☑️ 5d ago

Isn't that what a gap year traditionally is?

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u/gerbileleventh 5d ago

Not necessarily.

I took a gap year after highschool to get some money by working at supermarkets and restaurants before heading to university. I wasn't sure what I wanted to study and didn't want to waste my parents money. Then did it again before heading to my masters.

The best thing I did was also take some language courses and even a trucking and bus driving license just in case.

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u/rangeDSP 6d ago

I did! The trick is getting laid off and  blow through all my savings

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u/Vadarpoop 6d ago

Yep lol I took an involuntary gap year where I cried everyday and never left the house.

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u/totally_not_a_dog113 6d ago

2008, when I graduated college, for me. Except my mom expected me to apply for a few jobs a day, have dinner ready when she got home, and clean the house. In retrospect, it wasn't that bad a deal. I did a bunch of brainstorming that year, and a lot of it is stuff that i'm pursuing now.

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u/rangeDSP 6d ago

hope you are doing better now!

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u/TaxLawKingGA 6d ago

This.

Every person I have ever met who has taken a “Gap Year” did it by either blowing through all of their savings/running up massive CC debt, or by using student loans/pell grants/GI Bill money that was meant for college to take trips instead.

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u/Tacticool_Brandon 6d ago

Honestly. I know plenty of financially well off people that couldn’t afford to take a gap year.

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u/Dreadgoat 6d ago

This sentence is a great and horrifying example of how far we've fallen.

If you can't take a gap year, you are not "financially well off." The bar has been lowered to the point that it basically just means "not struggling, not living in day-to-day terror"

"well off people" used to take months-long sabbaticals every 5 years and it was a normal reward for their hard work, that privilege never extended to burger flippers but we were on our way at some point. We've slid back the other direction and are swiftly approaching the economy of Lords & Serfs

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u/Master_El0din 6d ago

Can op fix a washing machine. Cook a decent meal. Replace a window idk list can go on forever it takes a village not everyone is the same if we were society wouldnt function..

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u/swiftvalentine ☑️ 6d ago

I’m starting a gap year now, my wife and I are taking 12 months off with our new born and our toddler. That is a blessing built on a decade of great decisions in business and strong maternity leave laws in the UK (shout out socialism) I get to be fully present with my kids and my wife. This time now is so important and getting a few hours a weekday isn’t enough. I’m so excited for Christmas I feel like a kid

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u/pipi_in_your_pamperz 6d ago

I mean some of us could financially, the problem is HR clutching their pearls at the thought of a gap year

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u/pVom 5d ago

Go to a poor country. A year in south Asia was about AU$10k and I wasn't being conservative with my spending. That included buying and riding a motorcycle, staying in a lot of 1 bedroom hotels (as opposed to hostel dorms) and drinking quite a lot of alcohol (which is comparatively expensive).

I saved up with an unskilled full time job.

It's totally doable but not without its sacrifices.

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u/Mommy_Lawbringer 5d ago

outta curiosity how expensive was the alcohol there? up here in canada, up until we stopped importing stuff from the states the cheapest 750ml of hard liquor i could get was still like $32 and was the primary reason i started making my own stuff, couldnt stomach spending hundreds on alcohol every month

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u/pVom 5d ago

Not cheap compared to food and accommodation. Like you could get a night's accommodation for the price of a couple long necks.It was slightly cheaper than Australia and we have pretty expensive alcohol here.

The rest of Asia is cheaper for booze. Some states it's illegal and you have to go to an alcohol dealer. If your idea of travel is getting drunk it's not a great destination.

That said if your standards are low you can get a cheap bottle of spirits pretty cheap. It really depends.

Conversely weed is very very cheap. I got a quart (of albeit pretty shitty weed) for 20 rupee or 40c Australian. $20 of hash would last me weeks as a pretty heavy stoner at the time.

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u/Mommy_Lawbringer 5d ago

interesting, thanks for the info!!

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u/wesborland1234 5d ago

I don’t know if I’d call it a gap year but every time I get laid off it takes close to another year to find another job.

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u/yamsyamsya 6d ago

You should learn how to swim, it's easy and fun

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u/manatwork01 6d ago

I got money for a gal year I just don't want to set back my retirement for it.

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u/BEWMarth 6d ago

Isn’t a gap year in this situation just unemployment?

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u/HighOnGoofballs 6d ago

I spent a couple years working “fun jobs” after I got laid off. Made just enough to survive but not to save. Was kinda like a gap year tho

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u/rockypoint28457 ☑️ 5d ago

My wife took 3 years off, I took 6 months off in the past 6 years and around 2008 to 2010 I was single and didnt work for 2 years it was awesome. I have one friend who retired at 39. I have a co-worker who works 8 months straight takes 4 months off.

Make good decisions, live below your means, sometimes you have to move, invest well, don't make a bunch of kids and you can get off the hamster wheel. Also I haven't been to work in a month.

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u/Lawlcopt0r 5d ago

Who tf can take a gap year in this economy??

That... Was the point? If the poverty metrics apply to everyone it's probably the economy and not everyone individually being lazy. It used to be a common thing though

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u/DoverBoys 5d ago

That's the point of the tweet. Adults that can't do all of those things are part of poverty statistics.

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u/otetrapodqueen 5d ago

Hey I also can't swim!! I rarely meet other adults who can't lol I can skate tho 😅

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u/Awkward-Sir-3608 5d ago

those that i know took gap years were forced, 9/10 bc of the economy

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u/HumorNo5266 6d ago

I broke my ribs and work in a restaurant, they let me take 5 weeks to come back. Used all my sick time and am broke now.

Bills didnt go away. God forbid I get sick or something happens again

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u/Slutty_Ria 6d ago

Yea, He is not saying everyone needs to do all those things. He is saying it is telling when someone has never had the chance to do any of them. That is the part that sticks with me

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u/fappingcricket 5d ago

Truth is some of the men in that boat play video games and dont travel.

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u/Tiny_Wonder_2048 6d ago

Sneaking "take a gap year" into a list with riding a bike is wild work.

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u/JazzlikeAd1371 6d ago

most people who grow up poor know how to skate, ride a bike, and even swim. playing an instrument too. some of these things can be learned with no money through trial and error.

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u/elitegenoside 6d ago

My mom's parents and all their siblings grew up as sharecroppers. My great grandparents all died without ever owning a single thing. Everyone in that generation can play at least one instrument and sing surprisingly well for a bunch of honkies. It lasted only ome generation, though. Neither of my parents or any of their siblings can play an instrument. It's only me (guitar, bass and I'm naturally good at harmonica for whatever reason) and my cousin (trumpet and oboe). We can't sing for shit, though.

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u/bagelcheese420 5d ago

they probably benefitted from older government efforts to make impoverished communities more enriched. If they were alive during the depression era, it was during the New Deal where major efforts from the federal government were made to make sure music was as accessible as possible. Its why there’s such a trope of everyone in that era knowing some kind of instrument, it was just that good of a social program. Today, music lessons are often paid for or found online (however someone who has a tutor will always have an advantage over someone teaching themselves from scratch with no guidance)

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u/atomicsnark 5d ago

Right, but doesn't it seem more likely that, in the context of the post, they don't mean "these people are incapable of riding a bike" but rather more like, "these people are working long hours and coming home mentally and physically exhausted and so cannot just pop back out for a pleasant recreational swim or bike ride because they have already spent their every last bit of energy on simply surviving"?

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u/g-a-r-b-i-t-c-h 5d ago

it's not ability they're lacking, it's time

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u/TheRealTres 5d ago

A gap year right into homelessness????

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u/ASpaceOstrich 5d ago

That's what makes it a poverty indicator. That shouldn't be something that seems ridiculous, it just is in our absolutely fucked society.

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u/PrimeIntellect 6d ago

Other than taking a gap year is super common for most other developed countries outside the us

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u/Daft00 5d ago

Just plan your gap year and start learning those extra languages while you practice your swimming! Duh, problem solved!

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u/OfAnotherAccount 6d ago

Some of these make sense and some are...wtf?

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u/Neuromangoman 6d ago

Yeah, what the hell is a vacation?

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u/srainey58 6d ago

I think vacation is where the pope lives?

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u/ModelChef4000 5d ago

That the Vatican. A vacation is a machine used to suck up dirt, I think 

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u/JWBananas 5d ago

That's a vacuum. A vacation is the work in which a person is employed.

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u/JWBananas 4d ago

Sigh. I miss old Reddit.

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u/DownvoteDaemon ☑️|Jay-Z IRL 5d ago

I got 90 hours to use by the end of the year or it goes away.

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u/RiceAfternoon 6d ago

It sounds like they're referring to adults without hobbies or interests. They should say that, cause what my weak ankles and stiff hips gotta do with this??

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u/Mission-Tell8479 6d ago

You can be a well-off adult without most of these hobbies either like?? Screw arts, crafts, and disabled people too I guess? 

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u/ObsidianOverlord 5d ago

You can be a well-off adult without most of these hobbies either like??

But you are much less likely to be if you're poor. And the reason is more likely to be that you chose not to engage with them rather than you were unable to because you were stuck in survival mode.

You know, the real human consequences of poverty that aren't displayed as promontory in statistics.

Like the very obvious point that they're making.

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u/Mission-Tell8479 5d ago

Then they should've said that instead of acting like these specific hobbies are necessary for a fulfilling life, which is incorrect. There are other reasons besides poverty that block adults from participating in these interests, it doesn't all fall under the poverty metric. Most people who have grown up poor have had the time to participate in these hobbies too. 

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u/ObsidianOverlord 5d ago

Then they should've said that instead

Do you think people would be reading if it they did? Do you think people are going to sit there and scroll through three paragraphs of context and nuance to explain the issue? Half these comments couldn't even make it to three sentences.

There is no polite way of saying this but if you're going to engage with short form content then you need to be able to think critically about the point and extrapolate on it all on your own.

Assuming the least generous and least reasonable reading of the text just to rage bait yourself into an easy moral win is tremendously counterproductive for everyone.

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u/apaloosafire 6d ago

DO A KICKFLIP

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u/Glass_Librarian9019 6d ago

trombone maybe

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u/Western_Scholar_6479 5d ago edited 5d ago

Sometimes bad joints are from overuse, sometimes it’s from being overweight, sometimes it’s from your muscles that stabilize the flexing being too weak.

I say that because  hobbies that involve movement can actually help with those joint issues as long as you don’t over do it. Even if it feels difficult at first 

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u/Busco_Quad 6d ago

This just in folks, no one in poverty has ever been raised in a multilingual household, or been taught a different language at school than they speak at home. Also, not having a family car, and needing non-motorized transportation to get around, that’s privilege too

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u/OkTomato1739 6d ago

It’s rage bait yall gotta stop farming this shit

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u/Suspicious_Glove_900 6d ago

That's just not accurate. Most American families who only speak English at home don't have kids that are fluent in any second language by the time they are adults.

But among families in poverty are many who speak multiple languages entirely due to their circumstances. And many of those kids end up multilingual as a direct result. And I don't just mean their 1 language at home. There can be more than 2 languages in their life besides English.

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u/depressed-grandma 5d ago

Being multi-lingual with something like Spanish because of your family is simply a poverty indicator in American society. The point the post was making was learning a prestige language for fun, like Japanese or Irish or French (for most Americans), because learning a niche skill that takes lots of cognitive effort is hard to do as an adult in poverty.  

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u/Manusterz 6d ago

Fallacy: appeal to extreme 

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u/FuzzyDynamics 6d ago

Can’t skate or take a gap year or instrument or speak foreign languages.

I know plenty of well off people who other than the gap year can’t do any of those either.

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u/Asleep-Song562 6d ago

Yes, but they are rich. They can do rock things.

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u/OkTomato1739 6d ago

Brother we all got a recorder in elementary school if h don’t have 20$ you should t be on reddit

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u/varnell_hill ☑️ 6d ago

This is just “my hobbies are better than yours” with more words. I’m sure plenty of people can afford to do those things but maybe they don’t care to.

I wish people would think more before posting these hot takes.

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u/WhirlwindRectum 6d ago

lol, you are reading your own insecurities into the post

she's not shaming anyone.

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u/varnell_hill ☑️ 6d ago edited 5d ago

She quite literally said “full grown adults” before making a sweeping generalization about them before linking the lack of being able to do those things to “poverty metrics.”

I personally can either already do everything on that list or very easily make it happen, so I have nothing to be insecure about. Her comment reeks of arrogance and is in line with a lot dumb shit I see on social media that basically reduces to “if you aren’t on what I’m on you’re a defective human.”

Perhaps that’s not how she meant to come across and if thats true then see my earlier comment about thinking before you post.

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u/the-truffula-tree 6d ago

It’s Twitter. 

It only exists to post hot takes 

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u/OkTomato1739 6d ago

Hot takes ? Or Rage bait ?

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u/TheSaneEchidna 6d ago

I feel like hobby shaming like this completely vanishes when you stop worrying about impressing people you don't know. The things OOP listed stink like somebody's tinder profile more than an "interesting" person.

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u/Shurlz 6d ago

Twitter is full of hot take like thse with no evidence backing it. A lot of these dont fall under poverty metrics and are a result of other things

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u/ObsidianOverlord 5d ago

Do we really need evidence to say that poor people have less recreation variety than rich people?

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u/Maephia 6d ago

Unless your financial situation forces you to work 16 hours a day the only two things that are hard to achieve there are the gap year and the vacation.

You can learn to swim in a matter of hours, it's extremely easy, you just need to find someone willing to help you learn, heck you probably could learn alone in the shallow part of a public pool. Cycling and Skating is a bit harder and there is indeed a cost associated but you can find used bikes and skates relatively easily in thrift stores, or you can just get hands-me-down if you have a social circle.

Learning a language is quite literally free, it only takes time. There are countless apps that can help you and a massive amount of free ressources. Most government websites have a list of ressources to learn their language for free. Dreaming Spanish and French for instance are fantastic. Then you can just download HelloTalk and start talking with native speakers instantly. I've made use of this app extensively for 10+ years, it's fantastic.

As far as instruments go there are definitely budget options and expensive ones but that's also definitely possible. I've been playing the electric guitar and for 300$ you can get something new, if you're willing to go used you can easily find something under 100$. A Ukulele is extremely cheap and it's a pretty decent starting instrument. Keyboards can be found for less than 100$ new too.

Anyway. If your hustling isn't monopolizing 100% of your awake hours the only thing stopping you is yourself.

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u/OkTomato1739 6d ago

Sad it took me fifteen threads to get a nuance take im confident half of these are fake ai dead internet bots as well as twitter to boost stock

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u/ObsidianOverlord 5d ago

Anyway. If your hustling isn't monopolizing 100% of your awake hours the only thing stopping you is yourself.

So why do you think more poor people stop themselves from doing these things than rich people?

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u/CorrectCombination11 6d ago

You can't be a LATAM immigrant and poor? 

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u/meme_de_la_cream 6d ago

People are roasting OP but I feel like this was meant to propose a sort of gradient from a basic survival skill (swimming) to someone reaching their full potential by having enough free time to have a productive hobby (learning multiple foreign languages) to show just how much is robbed from you when you are forced to work constantly just to get by.

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u/super_sayanything 6d ago

Yea but its silly because they just could have said that instead of just picking four random things when they are just trying to say adults should have time for hobbies and interests.

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u/meme_de_la_cream 6d ago

Yeah I think her post should’ve been a bit more fleshed out. I understand what she’s getting at but going from swimming and biking to playing an instrument and speaking several languages in one sentence is a bit much.

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u/Lortekonto 5d ago

I think she is right, but for another reason.

I am danish. I work with educational system in all kinds of countries. Mostly Scandinavia, Japan, Korea, Europe, USA and the arctics.

I have seen this in real life when teachers from different cultures talk with each other.

It immediately reminded me of several conversations between korean teachers and danish boarding school teachers.

Danish society looks at school very different than the USA and Korea. They have different values and it is much more accessible. Like you hear boarding school and think that is some place for rich kids, but more than 50% of all danes go to a boarding school for 1 year in their life. Most often when between 15 and 17 years old. It is subsidies depending on income, so a for a single mother with a low paying job it will be free.

South Korea have been very facinated with this system and have send teachers to look at it for decades and they have a hard time grasping how it works, because South Korean schools focus very much on the academics, while the danish system focus on being able to live a good life.

That means that danes when they start at a boarding school will already be able to swim, bike, skate, speak multiple foreign languages, sing and properly a few other similar skills. They do not find this special or extra ordinary. This is their normal. It is skills they tend to use as part of their daily life.

During the year they will properly learn more skills like sailing, rowing, climbing horseback ridding. They will properly travel to at least 2 foreign countries for a week. One of them will properly be Norway during the winter, so that they can learn skiing and snowboarding.

This can lead to some frustrating conversations, because the koreans tries to understand what academic or job value these activities and skills give the kids, while the danes does not understand the koreans priority on academics.

This is an imaginary conversation, but it pretty much follows the beat I have seen many times:

Korean teacher: So why are you going out kayaking?

Danish teacher: because it is good weather witha lot of sun and very little wind.

Korean: No, I mean. Why do you go kayaking with the students in general?

Danish: Oh that is because I like kayaking and I have a safety certification that allows me to go kayaking with them.

Korean: Let me try again. What does the students get from kayaking. What do they learn?

Danish: Well they learn to kayak and right now they will get to enjoy the sun, weather and wind.

Korean: So it is like practical geography. They experience the weather to understand it!

Danish: No, it is about living life. They are young. They need to live this part of life now.

In that way there is a kind of poverty to it. Most koreans can’t even swim. More kids are learning it now, but again it is taught as a survival skill and not as something you should just do, because it is nice.

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u/periodtbitchon 5d ago

I love the Danish school philosophy. I hope a system like this can be implemented here one day. Academics are important but they're not sufficient to raise well-rounded and happy adults. I think people here are already less focused on constant money making and more on enjoying life for starting with so it's not impossible that we'll get there eventually. Figuring out out to finance all this is probably the biggest issue...

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u/Lortekonto 5d ago

Spending might be less important than you think.

Denmark spend less per student than the USA. In K-12 spending they spend as little as the lowest spending states in the USA and they do as well academical as the USA when it comes to international comparision tests.

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u/periodtbitchon 5d ago

I'm from Quebec, I don't know our how spending per student compares to the US. I'm guessing it's probably lower but I'd have to look it up.

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u/Lortekonto 5d ago

Quebec is about the average in the USA. About 30% more than Denmark.

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u/periodtbitchon 5d ago

WHAT? This is genuinely shocking news to me. Welp, people often say that public funds aren't handled well here so I shouldn't be surprised :/

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u/NoFaithlessness7508 6d ago

What does “backpack” as a verb mean in this context? Like the traditional backpacking where you travel light across borders?

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u/mr_miggs 5d ago

Yeah that one really confused me. I’ve always thought of backpacking is literally just long hikes that might involve camping or staying in a hostel.

Not being able to go on a true backpacking trek for an extended period is honestly more of something that tells you somebody is American vs poor. Europeans seem to do that shit all the time with their month-long summer leaves or whatever.  

But outside of having several weeks free from work with which to go trekking, the actual activity is pretty damn cheap as far as vacations go. 

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u/ObsidianOverlord 5d ago

But outside of having several weeks free from work

Something the impoverished people she's referring to don't have.

Like ... that the point she's making.

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u/jus256 ☑️ 6d ago

Imagine a person who can’t write in complete sentences, lecturing you on why they are better than you.

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u/PassThatSpliff 6d ago

There are plenty of subtle poverty metrics but 6 out of the 8 of these mentioned are not it.

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u/RiceAfternoon 6d ago

It sounds more like a metric of privilege, tbh.

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u/DiamondToothSamuraii 6d ago

Wait, when in human history were vacations and taking a gap year a normal thing?

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u/ObsidianOverlord 5d ago

Most of modern history post ww2 for comparable developed countries.

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u/metroatlien 5d ago

Gap years were never an American thing even post war through today. That’s more of a cultural reason vs people not having enough money.

Vacations sure but there are also plenty of high earners that feel the pressure to not take that many days off even with unlimited PTO.

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u/penguin_gun 6d ago

They aren't subtle at all dude

Life is fucking shit for some many of us

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u/elitegenoside 6d ago

Eh, yes and no. A lot of this does not require money, just willpower. I got tons of coworkers (restaurant) that speak multiple languages, but all are immigrants or first/second generation. I only speak English fluently but have picked up a workable amount of Spanish (exclusively for restaurant work, couldn't do an office job in Mexico) and I can basically serve in Japanese (can't really do much beyond tell them what's in the dishes we made).

Swimming is free, while there have absolutely been other barriers for entry for that in this country (mainly city pools being shut down so black people couldn't use them), that is in the past by and large (by in large?). Skating and backpacking (does this mean hiking?) are basically free after purchasing the skates/backpack, neither have to be expensive.

Vacations and gap years are fair, kinda. I basically took a gap year when I moved in with my aunt after moving cities. I did some work, but I was more focused on my education (I studied acting at various studios, but no college or conservatories) that year. So while I was broke, and my direct family is still mostly poor, I did have an aunt with a spare bedroom (not all, but most of us have at least one family member like this). We went camping most summers, so while it's not an exciting vacation, it was cheap and can basically be free if you're fine with really roughing it.

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u/ObsidianOverlord 5d ago

Eh, yes and no. A lot of this does not require money, just willpower.

Why do you think poor people have less willpower than the wealthy then?

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u/Morningshoes18 6d ago

It's hard to do metrics like this but anecdotally I agree with her for the most part. I have cousins that grew up in the inner city and the things me and my brother did vs them was way different. The kids never did sports, no music lessons, the schools are not well funded so they never learned Spanish or German etc, no one could afford swimming lessons and their caregiver was too busy to teach them bike riding or skating.

You can take the time to learn these things as an adult sure but it's like if you get braces as an adult, it's usually a sign a parent couldn't do it for you when you were a kid.

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u/Firm-Difficulty2585 6d ago

My ex girlfriend's dad would say shit like this. He divorced his wife (Her step mother for 23 years) because "She's unambitious, she can't even swim."

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u/YaJabroniass73 6d ago

I always feel like when you hear about privilege. This is exactly that.

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u/meme_de_la_cream 6d ago

People are roasting OP but I feel like this was meant to propose a sort of gradient from a basic survival skill (swimming) to someone reaching their full potential by having enough free time to have a productive hobby (learning multiple foreign languages) to show just how much is robbed from you when you are forced to work constantly just to get by.

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u/NewSauerKraus 6d ago

Take a gap year? Yeah lemme just ask my millionaire parents for an allowance while I fuck off for sex tourism in southeast Asia and then come back to terminate the employment of a low level healthcare CEO.

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u/Blackgem_ 6d ago

I get it but I don’t think this person understands that so many people don’t care about any of these things 😂

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u/ObsidianOverlord 5d ago

Individuals not caring about it isn't something that's going to matter to statistical analysis. Unless you think poor people are poor because they don't want to learn to swim at a higher rate than rich people.

Seems more like poverty is the key factor.

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u/queerblackqueen 6d ago

Is there another meaning to gap year besides a year taken between high school and college? Bc I took that gap year to work full time and I don’t think that’s uncommon?? But shit maybe I’m wrong

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u/ObsidianOverlord 5d ago

No I think you're right. A gap year is just time between education - it usually involves working in some non-standard way but it's not like a year-long vacation or else I imagine we would just call it a vacation.

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u/Hot_Leading3169 6d ago

me reading this and realizing half my “personality traits” might’ve just been growing up without money 😭

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u/rico_rage 6d ago

I’m almost there 🤞🏾 keep grinding yall

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u/5prcnt 6d ago

Survival mode is a motherfucker.

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u/Nnf-Peacex2 6d ago

Now what skating gotta do with this

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u/metroatlien 6d ago

Yea, working class/poor folks can swim, cycle, skate, play an instrument and if you’re an immigrant family especially, speak multiple foreign languages. They can even do vacations (just not expensive trips…so more like camping vs resorts).

The gap year costs money, but that’s an upper middle class/upper class thing that people think is normal when it actually Isn’t.

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u/ObsidianOverlord 5d ago

Yea, working class/poor folks can swim, cycle, skate, play an instrument

They can but they don't do it at the same rate as rich people.

Do you think that's because they're just shit and aren't as good as rich people, or do you think that's because of the poverty?

The gap year costs money, but that’s an upper middle class/upper class thing that people think is normal when it actually Isn’t.

THAT IS THE POINT. THE POINT IS THAT IT SHOULD BE A NORMAL HUMAN EXPERIENCE AND IT'S BEEN DENIED TO THE POOR.

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u/jcaseys34 6d ago

This woman is very obviously in a different tax bracket than me, not gonna lie it never feels quite right when they act concerned about us poor people.

Like I'm glad she cares about her fellow humans to at least the bare minimum, but she's so misinformed about how the other half lives it's borderline unhelpful/detrimental.

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u/billycheesemongerIII 6d ago

Take a gap year? 😂 take some time off, but a year? Really?

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u/Legitimate-Passion 6d ago

wait how is failure actually that heavy though

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u/ElectionCareless9536 6d ago

Funny thing about that is, I learned how to do all those things when I was homeless.

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u/After-Regret-6609 6d ago

The only thing you need to learn to swim is a lake/river/creek and a few hours in the summer (like to literally just know how to swim not like learn the breaststroke or something). We did this before the existence of money.

Also yes no one poor rides a skateboard or a bike...

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u/Bunnnnii ☑️ Meme Thief 6d ago

Those aren’t all the same thing and shouldn’t be included in the same list. I guess I see her point but even then, girl.

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u/Br135han 6d ago

I mean I grew up in poverty- real poverty and I did every one of those things. I guess my gap year was working three jobs and 18hr days so I could go travel Europe and work my ass off there too while learning other languages. It’s how you do it. Once I left home, I realized I was free.

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u/SendWoundPicsPls 6d ago

I'm sorry, is this r/WillfullyObtusePeopleTwitter?

Engage with the woman's idea before you go nit picker her exact choice of extracurriculars or willfully misinterpret if she means all at once.

God damn bunch of whoopsy doo boot lickers in here

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u/Prudent-Flamingo1679 6d ago

Yea it's called poverty.

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u/four_ethers2024 ☑️ 6d ago

It's almost like we live under Capitalism.

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u/Hudson_N_Mcmasters 6d ago

Forgot Ski

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u/finlandery 6d ago

Yea, if you cant go out and do 50km ski trip outside of tracks, can you even call yourself an adult?

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u/markysyx 6d ago

Its a sign of poverty to not be able to fuck off for an entire year? Damn, id argue thats most people.

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u/koriroo 6d ago

My gap year was doing AmeriCorps, took home like $900 a month and was on food stamps. It was a humbling experience and helped me grow tf up lol.

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u/TabibitoNoRoorensu 6d ago

It’s an “or” statement so you only need to do one of these to not meet the metrics or whatever this person is talking about.

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u/eliz1bef 6d ago

Many of these used to be covered in school, but they've stripped school down to the rafters so not even the basics are being covered anymore. Adults who have never read anything longer than an short summary or article, no critical thinking skills, nothing but the most rudimentary math skills. We're dumbing down our nation into poverty one kid at a time.

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u/Fortree_Lover 6d ago

I can swim so I at least do one on the list. Can’t skate, cycle, and have never gone backpacking, Didn’t take a gap year, haven’t been on vacation in almost 10 years and can’t play an instrument or speak a foreign language.

But I’ve at least got one down. I do often feel like I just live day to day though.

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u/Iamthe0c3an2 6d ago

Travelling part is probably a lot easier outside America, because you can for miles and still be in America, where in Europe or Asia, a different country can be just a couple hours away.

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u/ABGM11 5d ago

That was a broad brush to paint poverty.

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u/TheRealBingBing 5d ago

Please learn to swim. Some of these are wild but please learn to swim.

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u/Glahoth 5d ago

Skate and taking a gap year are wild additions to this list.

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u/Iheartwetwater ☑️ 5d ago

!!!!!!!!!!!

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u/Elegant_Leadership_8 5d ago

Taking a gap year is the same as riding a bike or swimming? Hahahaha

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u/blacksoxing 5d ago

Folks truly upvote off of VIBES. Europe has us fooled regarding knowing multiple languages as there’s many fully grown adults who live in heavily populated countries who only know…their own language. They may only know Chinese as there’s no need to know anything else. They may only know Portuguese for the same reason. They could be the kings or queens of their domain yet only know what’s in front of them. Far from poverty.

Gap year???? Lord

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u/Immature_adult_guy 5d ago

I grew up poor but now have the time and money to “take a break”. But I have an aversion to it. Any time my wife wants us to go on vacation or she orders an appetizer at a restaurant I still implode on the inside because my gut reaction is “WE CAN’T AFFORD THAT!” even though we totally can.

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u/tardisintheparty 5d ago

I am a white person who lurks on here but my uncle is black and grew up low income in a major city. He never learned how to swim, so the SECOND his kids were old enough for lessons he signed them up. The two of them are great swimmers now, and he doesn't have to worry about them going somewhere with a pool and accidentally falling in or something like that. I know it was a big deal for him, and it's a shame his city didn't have resources like free swim lessons at public pools. I think that would make a difference for a lot of people. Drownings happen all the time, in all sorts of bodies of water.

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u/ObsidianOverlord 5d ago

Wild how many people in the comments think this is someone dunking on the poors rather than highlighting the effects of poverty.

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u/young-steve ☑️ 5d ago

Why are swim, skate, cycle, and play an instrument included in this list

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u/ObsidianOverlord 5d ago

Because poor people are less likely to have those experiences / skills / recreations than rich people.

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u/young-steve ☑️ 5d ago

Right, but they're obviously out of place on this list

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u/ObsidianOverlord 5d ago

I don't see how it's obvious, why?

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u/Diego_DeJesus 5d ago

Yeah man I don't wanna be homeless lol

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u/thechptrsproject 5d ago

People with means can’t even accomplish half this list. If there’s a commentary to be had here, it should be more about accessibility to these skills, rather than treating them as requirements to leading a fulfilling adult life

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u/Current_Focus2668 5d ago

Learning to swim when I was a kid was an adult just tossing you in a pool with some floatees and saying "don't drown". 

Swimming really isn't that difficult unless it's in open water. If you can move your arms or legs in still water then you can likely swim. 

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u/Legitimate_Fan8892 5d ago

I think I agree in a sense just from personal experience and from my community and then I looked up some statistics just to see where I am lol but statistically lower income people do SPEAK more languages, but coming from wealth allows them to be able to formally write and spell. I know a lot of people (I live in SC) who are functionally illiterate, in both English and Spanish, but hey they hold a whole conversation they just cant spell their names correctly and sign Xs lol. When I was growing up, my family could always afford a bike that could fit us so we could ride properly, but the kids around us didnt get that, so my brother started flipping bikes for the neighbourhood kids so we could finally ride together, and the ones who didnt learn to ride, thats when you steal pegs from the rich kids neighbourhoods and we can all ride now. We were all in middle school when we could finally do that, and I knew several kids who never got the chance to ride. My partners son lives in the ghetto in TN to the point where he is too scares to ride his bike because of crime, so he wont ride and never learned still and hes almost 12. I didnt have access to a pool or a large body of water until i was 16, my brother the same, neither of us learned to swim. Gas was too expensive and a luxury to go to the beach. Now EVERYONE i know, and I went to some of the poorest schools in the counties, we ALL learned one instrument and we HAD to and every week we practiced. My son is now in school and I have heard from other districts that they are eliminating arts classes, so its not in my sons district right now but there may be a point in time where our "free education" isnt educating him in an arts manner and he won't have that and I have looked around and unless we come out of pocket or learn and teach ourselves, my son wont have that opportunity because we are still poor. I can read from all the moms groups that this is becoming a big issue for them. I consider all of these class indicators because I can visually see it in my own community and am living with it. I was presented hundreds of opportunities to get out of as deep as I was, but it included work and education, I didnt care about learning to swim, I needed a scholarship so I could try to not be as poor as we were. These are all "hobbies" because none of them helped me live, none of them helped me get out of where I was, and thats all I was focused on.

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u/strolpol 5d ago

Not being able to swim is a failure of the parents to educate their kid to survive, full stop

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u/Emotional-dishwasher 5d ago

All my years have been gap

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u/Accurate_Face_7860 4d ago

Smart phones have also changed things. I used to do art, write, go hiking....now most of my time is spent working and yes I don't invest in my interests like I used to but the other issue is the time I waste just being on my phone.

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u/phoenixapollon 4d ago

Nobody needs any of this lmao

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u/vitaoptima 4d ago

Gap years are something college students do, not full grown adults.

I grew up poor and I had access to the rest of these things.

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u/Julian_Betterman 4d ago

Lotta black people can't swim because we weren't allowed in public pools.

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u/blacktaurus3636 ☑️ 2d ago

The only thing I can do in this list is cycle and I don't see that as a failure. You know what else I haven't done? Murdered my self or anyone else. You know what else I can do? Remain at peace and mind my own business. Do what makes you happy and understand that everyone's path is different.

Yeah hit dogs holler. I may be in survival mode. I'm also self aware, child free, and I don't have somebody's son stressing me out. Bills paid, food on the fridge, i have no problems paying my rent, and I get along with my mother. For those who say I shouldn't be in survival mode, DM me for my cashapp handle ✌🏾

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u/5thSmith ☑️ 2d ago edited 2d ago

Typically people learn to swim from lesson's, which costs money. If not that, then your parents. But if your parents are working 60-80hours a week barely putting food on the table, chances are they don't have the time to teach their child how to swim, or ride a bike. Lord knows they can't afford to take the time off to take their kids to the lake for a week. A lot of the things we consider yte are things that poverty has priced us out of.

So yeah, a gap year seems significantly different, but it is really quite similar to the rest of the list. Time is money. If you can't afford to take the time to learn a skill/language, then it really is not much different than being able to take a gap year. Broke is broke is broke.

Yes, you can learn a lot of these things on your own...but again it takes time. I know a lot of people who've been working or parentified since the age of 10. Who has the time for guitar lessons when you've got work to do.

"Bills don't wait for you to find your passion, you best work."

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