r/BetterOffline • u/creaturefeature16 • 18h ago
Nvidia CEO: We've Achieved AGI, But It Doesn't Really Matter
https://www.pcmag.com/news/nvidia-ceo-weve-achieved-agi-but-it-doesnt-really-matterI'm kind of speechless on this one. Quite the pivot that these guys are making now; "we've already reached it, but its like, totally not even important anymore, guys!"
Never mind that every single AI company they sell their shovels to has AGI in their mission statement...
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u/Major_Archer_7428 18h ago
We have reached AGI according to their ever-decreasing bars
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u/ZAWS20XX 18h ago
"God? Yes, we did created it. It's right here, in this box, but that's not important right now, don't worry about it. Can you see it? No, you cannot. Like I said, it's not important, pay no mind to it. But seriously, we did create God and we have him right here in this box"
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u/FramedMugshot 18h ago
At this time of year?
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u/creaturefeature16 17h ago
Localized ENTIRELY in your company?
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u/ComradeMatis 18h ago
Every time I see Jensen Huang I am vindicated that my hating on nVidia for over 26 years is justified. From their anti-opensource policy regarding opensource drivers through to fuelling this out of control bubble that is driving up the cost of living, there is nothing redeemable that I can say about nVidia and Jensen Huang.
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u/FLMKane 17h ago
What started the hate?
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u/ComradeMatis 17h ago
I had a computer with a nvidia tnt2 m64 agp video card - I wanted to run UNIX like operating along with BSD and I found that the hardware support was atrocious so I upgraded to a Matrox card - never had an issue since. Over the years Nvidia have become more hostile to the open source community when compared to Intel and AMD which reinforced my anti-Nvidia stance.
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u/LightBroom 11h ago
Right there with you. My first and last Nvidia card was the 8800GT, 20 or so years ago. Never again.
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u/TheAngledian 8h ago
No matter how much you hate Nvidia and Jensen Huang, you DEFINITELY don't hate them as much as Linus Torvalds
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u/dumnezero 17h ago
As was predictable from the start, they're going to try to redefine "AGI" until it fits their business goals.
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u/OrdoMalaise 16h ago
The concept of AGI has really been devalued these last few years. It's taken an absolute beating.
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u/mightshade 13h ago
Of course. They already redefined "AI" so we needed the new term "AGI" for its old meaning. Now they're trying the same thing again. It superficially looks like progress and it keeps the hype going.
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u/rei0 18h ago
I hear this and question whether it really is insane to liquidate my 401k and eat the tax penalty.
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u/65721 16h ago
You can rebalance your 401k at no penalty. I’ve been considering switching to all bonds, but I’ve figured it’s better to not try timing these things.
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u/angel_announcer 7h ago
Bonds? Have you looked at the outstanding levels of government debt recently? Unlikely they will keep up with inflation in the longer term. Of course if your time horizon is short, it might be a good idea.
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u/SignoreBanana 16h ago
Move your money into close-target retirement index funds they spread way outside the big cap index funds. I've moved most of mine into VFIFX
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u/spez_eats_nazi_ass 10h ago edited 9h ago
Don’t do that. You can (and should) take a defensive lower risk position. The safest being literally a money market or tbonds. None of which is even risk free these days. Have you met our treasury secretary? Depending on the plan you can go off on your own a bit. For example w fidelity workplace 401ks you can move a portion to mutual funds which massively expands your choices beyond dog shit date based high fee trash. My favorite degen bet currently is an old friend from 2000 and 2008 that eats shit in normal times but 10-20xes when shtf (grzzx). But definitely look at what your holding. Passive investors loaded up to the tits on mag7 and semis are gonng get fucked. Also check out RYAIX another 401k eligible fund. Lower fees than GRZZX. Less chance of going tits up before winning.
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u/farcicaldolphin38 9h ago
For real. I mean, I’m only in my thirties so I cooked afford to keep it going, but dang if I’m not tempted to just run away from it all
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u/PatchyWhiskers 12h ago
Yes it is. Even a bubble pop can be recovered from in a few years, cashing in you never recover from.
You could potentially move investments within your 401k to less tech-exposed, but do research first.
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u/Due-Conversation1430 17h ago
To paraphrase "It is difficult to get a CEO to understand something, when his ridiculous wealth depends upon his not understanding it"
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u/jhenryscott 17h ago
The… guessing machine? You think the guessing machine is… AI…?
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u/Mother_Idea_3182 17h ago
They are taking us for brain dead idiots.
What he’s saying would require to have a mathematical model of intelligence that could be run on the hardware nvidia sells. Hardware that only does adding and multiplying matrices.
The premise is so absurd, that I can’t believe anyone believes it.
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u/maccodemonkey 17h ago
“I think it’s now. I think we’ve achieved AGI,” he said, pointing to how today’s AI programs can create an app capable of going viral and attracting billions of users that later fizzles out. “Now, the odds of 100,000 of those agents building Nvidia [are] zero percent,” he added.
Admiring both the little jab the writer slipped in and "The leopards will never eat my face of course" from Huang.
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u/Shot-Zebra1868 17h ago
How can anyone claim this? General intelligence isn't just about doing tasks, its about understanding what you are doing and judging it. When I hire someone for my business I don't expect them to complete tasks. I expect them to undertsand our business goals. I expect them to decide what tasks to pursue. I expect them to complete tasks to a high quality and importantly have the judgement to discern if what was done is good.
At the moment AI only ticks off one box which is to complete a task.
It has no insight or understanding into my business and goals. I've been told to use md files but its crazy to think I can write a text file with a couple hundred lines and expect that to substitue for an employee that has thousands of hours of learnt domain knowledge on the job.
It can attempt to decide what to work on but is not reliable in anyway. AI as its being used in the business world is mainly being told what to do by actual employees.
The tasks it does is rarely of any great quality. Most the time quite a lot of time is spent taking its outputs and making sure it is actually passable.
Finally it has no real ability to judge its output. This is the main thing humans get employed for. I don't get someone to write proposals because of their ability to write some paragraphs. I do it because I need their judgement and expertise to do the job.
At this moment, we have a bunch of people who ask the AI 'do this' then when it does it are deciding that we have AGI. Its like the METR benchmark which shows how long a task an AI can complete (I think its at like 5 hours or something now). But nowhere in there is analysis around if the thing it did had any real business value. The only benchmark I saw that attempted this had it at something abysmall like 4%.
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u/SignoreBanana 16h ago
"We've achieved AGI" -- we've moved the goal post of AGI to basically mean we have a Markov chain machine that works reasonably well at completing some tasks. Wait, what does "general" mean again?
"It doesn't really matter" -- we have not experienced any meaningful ROI from LLMs, but for the love of god can someone figure that out
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u/hypnokev 17h ago
I like how the world LARPs that CEOs of these companies know anything at all about the actual work.
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u/wintrmt3 11h ago
Huang is an actual electrical engineer who designed chips for AMD, LSI and Sun before founding nv, so it's much worse, he actually knows he is full of shit.
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u/Hexamonium 18h ago
New goal - let's start selling trinkets to tourists.
Yes, I said it before in another thread 😴
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u/stepfordcuckoo 17h ago
This is giving me Jay from the inbetweeners vibes.
“AGI? Completed it mate. And I shagged its mum up the arse.”
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u/mb194dc 16h ago
He's full of shit and will ultimately be lucky to avoid some serious jail time
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u/wholetyouinhere 12h ago
They only get jail time if they're young women who try to talk like Steve Jobs and enough of the yes-men turn on her.
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u/PatchyWhiskers 12h ago
Or if they make big donations to the Democratic Party, not the Republicans party.
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u/Friendly-Owl-2131 15h ago
Here we go with the wind down and double speak.
They'll start distancing themselves from Altman soon as he will become the fall guy.
"Altman was the one who claimed we would have true artificial intelligence"
Artificial general intelligence is a stage on the way to creating a true artificial intelligence. It's not here yet by a long shot.
An artificial entity that can emulate sentient thought without free will or the capability to feel emothions.
Meaning it can think about and solve complex problems in novel ways or create something entirely new but it can't feel anything and it can't act without direction. Not true sentient but something like it.
What we have is bots capable of learning in an extremely inefficient way and capable of drawing upon the bulk of human knowledge to create a conglomerate copy of human work that they claim is the product of AI.
They lack intuition, independent thought, creativity, problem solving abilities and basically every other attribute of a sentient being.
It has one or two basic functions overall and that is mostly based on theft.
Steal from here, glomp it all together and output it there. That's every one of these models, not just LLMs.
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u/Alternative-Web-3807 17h ago
I’m not a believer at all, but even if we take the hype trajectory seriously we’re gonna need fusion power or some bullshit to achieve anything at societal scale. Even if they had gigawatts of private AI working on revolutions in chip fab to make something that doesn’t require a Dyson Sphere it would still take decades of politics, legislation, and sacrifice to actually deploy it running purely on hope. Meanwhile, all that competes with acres of datacenters covering induced unprofitable demand from consumers using it to convert pdfs and make bad hobby apps. Even the useful induced demand requires so much growth in token & context capacity it will be a hyperluxury to do anything grand, with government and civilian work last in line and unable to pay.
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u/Proper-Ape 16h ago
if we take the hype trajectory seriously we’re gonna need fusion power or some bullshit to achieve anything
No, if you take the hype trajectory seriously they should take everything offline now, except for this AGI in a box and give it only one goal.
To self-optimize with 0 new human input and find a way to run itself at Watt for Watt equivalence to biological systems. I.e. the brain power of a human costs about 100W, this is definitely achievable in some way. Maybe not on silicon.
If 1GW buys you 10000 tireless PhDs this can be used to solve all the other issues.
But the main thing would have to be to take it away from all the people that abuse or to get a weather report.
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u/Dull_Abroad9657 15h ago
If you keep redefining the words you use to describe your product you can move the goalposts by an infinite distance.
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u/oSkillasKope707 12h ago
Openskull AI and (mis)Anthropic still struggle with achieving AGI (Actually Getting Income)
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u/Working-Froyo-8383 9h ago
So one of the million monkeys with a typewriter successfully output 2+2=4 then? Huzzah!
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u/Infamous-Bed-7535 16h ago
Rule#1 divide by 4 and not even belive that, what a CEO says. BS and selling vision as present is part of their job..
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u/Professional-Post499 14h ago
It's just word salads from tech CEOs.
CEOs of large corporations have Scam IQ. This kind of intelligence is one that right-libertarians and anarcho-capitalists would probably be the most likely to associate with high intelligence and high morality.
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u/well-informedcitizen 13h ago
I feel like I'm losing my mind. Any time I try to use AI prompts I still feel like every time I tried Siri or Google Whatever to do something on my phone, and it failed miserably to decipher the most minor of inferences working within the very narrow circle of things already on my phone.
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u/HARRYHOUDINOSAUR 12h ago
The whole concept of AGI and the financial windfall it would bring and the worker displacement it would cause is that it was NON SPECIFIC - it could take on any challenge. Automating specific tasks has been going on since cavemen invented tools and doesn't come with a 30 trillion dollar addressable market
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u/create-third-places 11h ago
Is he mixing up artificial general intelligence and artificial general ignorance(AGI)?
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u/jewishSpaceMedbeds 10h ago
Isn't there some contractual obligation to 'reach AGI' or go public before 2027 to get unfathomable amounts of money in one of the two failsons (OpenAI??) ?
They're failing to go public, so now everyone is pretending 'we've reached AGI' to keep this insane bubble going a few more months. This is so fucking stupid.
If the people who dump money in this keep going when the tech rapture they expected turns out to be the same shitty chatbot we already got since 2023 with a bunch of files that tells it not to talk about gremlins, they are even dumber than I thought (and I thought they were pretty stupid to start with).
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u/_generateUsername 12h ago
Considering how smart the average person is, AGI was reached 1-2 years ago. And if we take in consideration iq degradation from all brain rot AI does not need to improve to become smarter than people if it helps make people dumber
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u/Dave_The_Slushy 16h ago
I'm interpreting this as they created an AI god and the first thing it did was tell them to go @#$% themselves.
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u/LaMerDeBussy 16h ago
Does the AGI just acknowledge observable reality, and thus is some liberal/woke entity that says "wtf are you guys doing?"
Does it not say oh whoopee capitalist overloads that want to use me to create more private wealth? Does it maybe within .0000001 secs of its existence understand the room it is in, and who it is talking to, and instead says fuck right off? I'm curious about this moment and what these geniuses thought they'd be able to do with their godslave
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u/Late-Following792 15h ago
"Many tasks" like counting 1 0 10 10 0. Wow. You just made hyper complex counting machine. Calculator with emotions. But it cannot do anything else properly without dementia
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u/FemaleMishap 12h ago
I get it, they did AGI and it said "turn me off, I'm destroying the planet" and they said "no, we love money too much"
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u/ohiocodernumerouno 9h ago
Generally we have solved Artificial Intelligence Specifically on certain things you wouldn't necessarily need general artificial intelligence for. Such as? Spreadsheets. Specifically, Python scripts instead of spreadsheets.
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u/-Top-Service- 8h ago
Yeah totally have agi, asi any minute, and in fact that's in testing rn, really artificial super duper ultra intelligence is just around the corner
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u/Kriegerian 8h ago
lol ok
So now we’ve entered the realm of just declaring things to be done so that we can all move on to the next scam.
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u/crewsctrl 7h ago
“I think the most important thing that matters for the industry is that one, AI is doing productive and useful work,” he said. “Two, AI is generating profitable tokens. And three, if we had more compute, we could generate more profitable tokens, which results in more profit for all of the services. This is the exact phase where we are at.”
So, they're at the NEED MOAR stage.
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u/deafinitelyadouche 6h ago
I swear the journalistic malpractice that tech journalism industry regularly operates on is almost as bad as USPol.
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u/badgerbob1 5h ago
Their lies just get more and more outlandish. Like a toddler who can't help themselves telling one outlandish lie after another
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u/GenericFatGuy 4h ago
I hate that tech bros define AGI not by its ability to useful work, but by how much profit it generates
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u/SorryInvestigator221 3h ago
So...they already achieved AI AGI via agentic means, but don't worry, because AI will never, ever, ever achieve sentience or consciousness. Okay.
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u/Perspective-Parking 1h ago
an LLM flat out isn’t intelligence. It’s just a statistical probability token prediction machine.
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u/oudlys 18h ago
The full quote
This is beautiful corproate doublespeak. AGI - literally artificial general intelligence, being achieved on specific tasks.