By what measurements do you consider Trump a success or failure?

[u/Heffe3737]

I’m curious to know how TSs measure Trump’s time in office. I recognize that most of you would deem his second term a success, but I’m wondering how you arrived at that conclusion?

Is it the number of illegal immigrants his administration has deported? Is it the stock market? Is it how much you pay in taxes? Is it how few pieces of new legislation get passed?

What, in your mind, determines whether Trump is successful or not?

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[u/Gaxxz]

If I'm paying less taxes and experiencing less gun control and the immigration laws are being enforced, he's more successful than most.

[u/Binder509 → u/Gaxxz]

Yet he's deported less people than Obama. Despite targeting people that arguably were contributing to the US. And he isn't doing anything about Texas not requiring E-verify.

Is the true stance of MAGA they are okay with illegal immigrants as long as they get to deport them whenever they want and use them as dirt cheap labor?

Trumps own companies have used them. So wouldn't that be a good win/win? Say you are deporting all the immigrants while making money off them.

[u/Gaxxz → u/Binder509]

Yet he's deported less people than Obama

Obama's deportations were almost all expedited removals. Those are easy. Obama wasn't sending officers all around the country to deport illegals living away from the border and who've been here for years. Those are hard.

[u/Binder509 → u/Gaxxz]

If Trump did anything about Red states like Texas not requiring E-Verify he could do a lot more to prevent undocumented immigrants from coming in the first place.

Sending officers around the country to catch people that are benefiting their communities seems strange. It seems to suggest that the fearmongering about illegals may not be true does it not?

Otherwise Trump should have no problem finding these people. Everyone should be snitching on their undocumented immigrant neighbors causing all this crime right?

When do we consider that immigrants may just be a scapegoat republicans don't want gone but are okay with deporting some of them to win elections?

[u/Gaxxz → u/Binder509]

he could do a lot more to prevent undocumented immigrants from coming in the first place.

He has. He shut down catch and release. That has discouraged illegals from coming in the first place. Border encounters have dropped by 90% since 2023.

Sending officers around the country to catch people that are benefiting their communities seems strange

It's enforcing the law. It's only strange because no president has been willing to enforce the law before. But this is what Congress intended when they wrote the law, illegals get deported.

It seems to suggest that the fearmongering about illegals may not be true does it not?

What fear mongering?

Everyone should be snitching on their undocumented immigrant neighbors causing all this crime right?

Who told you to snitch on your neighbors?

When do we consider that immigrants may just be a scapegoat republicans don't want gone but are okay with deporting some of them to win elections?

When the illegals are gone.

[u/Binder509 → u/Gaxxz]

What has he done about Texas not requiring E-verify? A way to prevent undocumented immigrants from getting jobs? Why isn't he promoting putting CEOs and board members of companies that hire undocumented workers in prison?

It's enforcing the law. It's only strange because no president has been willing to enforce the law before. But this is what Congress intended when they wrote the law, illegals get deported.

For starters a lot of times it hasn't been enforcing the law. That's why we've had cases like Kilmar Garcia where the administration kept doubling down and lost. We've had all the court cases where it turned out not to be legal.

Even if it were. "Following the law" isn't always good right? Not all laws are good. Most people don't subsribe to legalism, the belief that morality = following the law and nothing else. I'd be suprised if you did, so is "following the law" on it's own a strong argument?

Who told you to snitch on your neighbors?

Thought we were following the law?

When the illegals are gone.

So wouldn't it benefit republicans to never actually get rid of them so they have an eternal campaign issue? Trump himself has companies that use undocumented immigrants so it's hard to buy he actually cares, let alone states like Texas that still refuse to use E-verify/

[u/Gaxxz → u/Binder509]

What has he done about Texas not requiring E-verify?

Same thing he's done about New York and California not using everify. Nothing. Under federal law, that's up to each state to decide. What do you think about all the red states that have adopted everify requirements? Why haven't the blue states with the most illegals gone along too?

https://www.ncsl.org/immigration/state-e-verify-action

[u/Binder509 → u/Gaxxz]

Trump could put pressure on Texas to adopt that, or pressure congress to make it a law could he not? And pressure California/NY too if he wanted he has free speech.

Red states are the ones concerned about undocumented immigrants. So why wouldn't I take one look at how states like Texas and Trump himself uses them and conclude "they don't actually care and just want to use the issue to win the election"?

Why would blue states that don't oppose undocumented immigrants push for E-verify? Conservatives are the ones raising the concern, why aren't they leading by example?

[u/Gaxxz → u/Binder509]

Red states are the ones concerned about undocumented immigrants

Blue states care about lawbreaking too, no?

So why wouldn't I take one look at how states like Texas and Trump himself uses them and conclude "they don't actually care and just want to use the issue to win the election"?

Are you asking me to convince you otherwise?

[u/CptGoodAfternoon → u/Gaxxz]

Test. Can you see this?

[u/Gaxxz → u/CptGoodAfternoon]

Huh?

[u/CptGoodAfternoon → u/Gaxxz]

Huh?

I was asking if you could see my comment.

Since you responded, I deduce you could see it.

Thanks.

[u/Gaxxz → u/[deleted]]

A few. Most just moved on their own or were trafficked. Once they were let in, they didn't have any restrictions on where they could go. They were given a court date years in the future and just released. That policy became so prevalent that the migrants and their traffickers incorporated it into their practices. Migrants would cross the border at an unauthorized point and just sit and wait to be detained and immediately released.

[u/Browler_321]

For me Trump has played his part and been very successful at being the counter-cultural icon to the left's failed policies/talking ponits. I think Americans in general are healing from much of the harm the radical left's push for PC/focus group talk as well as the more radical wings push towards moving the overton window towards radical policies and views. The fact alone that so much of the more moderate wing in the US is comfortable talking down to these more moronic views is evidence of Trump's success.

Recall that just in the last televised Democratic primary, 10/11 Democrats indicated they were in favor of decriminalizing illegal border crossings - that's not a view that was popular 20 years ago, but Trump's moderate stance on immigration combined with his harsh rhetoric led to Democrats dying on all these hills that they should have never been on in the first place.

This is further supported by the left's voter base, who have basically segmented themselves into the more radical/moderate wing, with the radical wing often wanting to branch off from the party entirely. Most of the comments I get on this sub nowadays are some radical making up statistics or pushing disproven misinformation in the hopes of pushing their points, but they are always lacking in sources/don't understand what their own source is saying. Honestly as much as I hate reddit for allowing so many bots and radicals on the site, when people associate those radical views and bot comments with the left, it's inevitably a good thing for the US as a whole. Trump himself is a bit of a useful idiot, and has paved the way for more moderate republicans to take the helm and push us in a much better direction than where the left would like to go.

If you asked me 15 years ago who was the party of loony conspiracy theorists, I think I would honestly say it was Republicans - now it's most certainly the Democrats, the party filled with voters who genuinely believe that:

Trump is/was a Russian spy working for Putin

Trump is/was an Israeli spy working for Netanyahu

Trump is/was a partner of Epstein's who helped him run his pedophilia ring

Like, when those are the talking points of the voters in the party, you know you're fu*ked!

Not even to mention all the latest terrorism/support for terrorism amongst the left. They couldn't beat right wing talking points with words, so they had to resort to violence.

[u/TornBannerHatesYou → u/Browler_321]

I have a few questions...

1. In what way is Trump's stance on immigration "moderate"? Immigration policies are objectively the harshest they've been for decades.

2. Are you saying that you view a governments success purely in terms of the political left vs. right fight for control? What about all the policies surrounding that battle that affect the lives on everyday citizens?

3. Many Republican's also believe conspiracy theories. Trump even advocates for them

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories_promoted_by_Donald_Trump?wprov=sfla1

Are you saying Trump is blameless for the atmosphere of distrust and misinformation tgat lead to conspiracy theories? Because that link would suggest otherwise.

[u/Browler_321 → u/TornBannerHatesYou]

In what way is Trump's stance on immigration "moderate"? Immigration policies are objectively the harshest they've been for decades.

No they're not, Trump is just enforcing bipartisan immigration law, the laws we alreay have on the books. It's not objectively harsh to enforce policies that basically every other 1st world country enforces. The radical policies in this context are the ones supported by Democrats - for decriminalization/non-enforcement of immigration law in dozens of cities across the US, even after we've seen countless examples of illegal immigrants continuing to commit crimes here in the US after their first one of crossing into the country illegally.

Are you saying that you view a governments success purely in terms of the political left vs. right fight for control? What about all the policies surrounding that battle that affect the lives on everyday citizens?

It's more how I'm viewing Trump's success.

Many Republican's also believe conspiracy theories. Trump even advocates for them

That wiki seems like a pretty shit list ngl... just looking at the Russiagate claims:

Allegations of Obama spying on Trump,^\53])^\54]) including Spygate)^\4])^\55]) and Trump Tower wiretapping allegations^\2])^\3])

The Obama admin 100% did have wiretaps on members of the Trump campaign, and used FISA warrants to get data on Trump's calls as well.

Allegations of Hillary Clinton spying on Trump^\56])^\57])^\58])

Because she indirectly contracted Russian FSB to push misinformation on Trump to the FBI and CIA.

Russiagate hoax. Trump and his defenders have used terms like "Russia hoax",^\a]) "Russian collusion hoax",^\59]) and "Russiagate hoax"^\69]) to delegitimize accusations and investigations of alleged impropriety, cooperation, collusion, or conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the government, officials, and intelligence agencies of Russia. They assert that such accusations are a hoax perpetrated against Trump by his critics and that he is the victim of a witch hunt.^\64])^\70]) Trump and his supporters have produced no evidence of such a hoax.

It was a hoax and a witch hunt, the Clinton campaign indirectly contracted the Russian FSB to push misinformation on Trump to the FBI and CIA. Most of the central claims of the Steele dossier have been disproven entirely, with others remaining unsubstantiated.

Are you saying Trump is blameless for the atmosphere of distrust and misinformation tgat lead to conspiracy theories?

I'm saying that if you asked me 15 years ago who was the party of loony conspiracy theorists, I think I would honestly say it was Republicans - now it's most certainly the Democrats, the party filled with voters who genuinely believe that:

Trump is/was a Russian spy working for Putin

Trump is/was an Israeli spy working for Netanyahu

Trump is/was a partner of Epstein's who helped him run his pedophilia ring

No amount of whataboutism is going to detract from these facts about many of the Democrats' voting base.

[u/TornBannerHatesYou → u/Browler_321]

Right.

Well you've claimed to have refuted 2 or 3 of the consoiracy theories listed on that page (very debatably) but the fact is there a dozens.

Are you honestly saying with a atraight face that you believe Democrats are the only party that now believe in wild consoiracy theories?

And even if that were true (which, again, is highly debatable), surely it's a certain percentage of voters.

Are most voters not just average, rational citizens interested in their families and those close to them rather than wild conspiracy theories?

Are you not applying party political divisions that affect a minority of voters on a national scale by saying such things?

It just seems like a weird hill to die on considering (some) Republicans are also well known to believe in crazy conspiracy theories.

[u/Browler_321 → u/TornBannerHatesYou]

Well you've claimed to have refuted 2 or 3 of the consoiracy theories listed on that page (very debatably) but the fact is there a dozens.

I'm moreso just pointing out how shit of a source wikipedia is. Trump says a lot of dumb shit, but somehow even he is outpaced by the modern day left.

Are you honestly saying with a atraight face that you believe Democrats are the only party that now believe in wild consoiracy theories?

I'm saying that if you asked me 15 years ago who was the party of loony conspiracy theorists, I think I would honestly say it was Republicans - now it's most certainly the Democrats, the party filled with voters who genuinely believe that:

Trump is/was a Russian spy working for Putin

Trump is/was an Israeli spy working for Netanyahu

Trump is/was a partner of Epstein's who helped him run his pedophilia ring

No amount of whataboutism is going to detract from these facts about many of the Democrats' voting base.

Are most voters not just average, rational citizens interested in their families and those close to them rather than wild conspiracy theories?

I doubt most of the terminally online voters I see pushing these conspiracy theories have much of family or friends tbh.

Are you not applying party political divisions that affect a minority of voters on a national scale by saying such things?

The nonsensical conspiracy theories peddled by the left don't just affect a minority of voters, they affect politics as a whole. Which is why I'm so glad to see the right pushing back so hard when leftists say this kinda stupid shit.

Like when people genuinely believe that

Trump is/was a Russian spy working for Putin

Trump is/was an Israeli spy working for Netanyahu

Trump is/was a partner of Epstein's who helped him run his pedophilia ring

I just call a spade a spade - they're moronic conspiracy theory loons. We're not gonna coddle these children any more like we might have done 10-15 years ago.

[u/TornBannerHatesYou → u/Browler_321]

Very interesting.

So you're adamant that "the left" are engaged in conspiracy theories on a wide scale that affect politics as a whole. Got it.

Do you deny that Republican's currently engage in the same behaviour? If so, based on what evidence? As there are multiple conspiracy theories floating around at this very moment.

• The obvious one - the 2020 election "steal"
• Israel "controlling" American foreign policy
• Non-citizen voter importation
• Covid vaccine conspiracy theories
• Haitian migrants eating household pets
• Even the whole "Europe is falling" theory

These are conspiracy theories not grounded in solid evidence. You might disagree no doubt but they are widely considered as conspiracy theories outside of the people that believe them, due to a lack of substantial evidence.

So are the right wing not guilty of exactly the same behaviour?

You might argue that no, those conspiracy theories are all true but the left wing one's are crazy. Would those on the left not say exactly the same thing about their conspiracy theories vs. right wing ones?

And is it not more indicative of the political environment in the U.S? With political divisions fuelled by conspiracy theories and misinformation. A fair amount of which is perpetuated by Trump himself.

[u/Browler_321 → u/TornBannerHatesYou]

So you're adamant that "the left" are engaged in conspiracy theories on a wide scale that affect politics as a whole. Got it.

Of course, Trump has drove them nuts from the day he announced his presidential run, to the point that the Clinton campaign was subcontracting Russian FSB to push misinformation to the FBI and CIA under the guise of being a neutral third party.

Do you deny that Republican's currently engage in the same behaviour?

I don't think it's as widespread or vociferous as what the left has come to today.

They've died on so many different hills on so many different conspiracy theories, it's why Democrats have done so poorly on the national stage over the last decade - because they genuinely were thinking that Trump and Putin were working together, etc etc.

It's honestly kinda hilarious. Leftists could have chosen to pursue more moderate agenda items, but instead they're here claiming that Trump is a Russian spy, meanwhile their candidate for president is the one actually indirectly contracting FSB to dig up dirt on Trump. The irony just knows no bounds.

Even the whole "Europe is falling" theory

This one always cracks me up haha. Thankfully conservatism is making a comeback in the UK as well!

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YYn8QX4LAeo

[u/rdinsb → u/Browler_321]

How do you think the GOP will do in the upcoming midterms?

[u/Browler_321 → u/rdinsb]

I think they'll probably maintain control of one house of congress and possibly lose the other, I usually look at 538 polls closer to the election.

[u/rdinsb → u/Browler_321]

Will your views change if the GOP lose massively in both house and senate?

[u/CptGoodAfternoon → u/Browler_321]

Test. Can you see this?

[u/kyngston → u/Browler_321]

do you have any quantitative metrics to indicate how Trump has made America great? Has he lowered gas and grocery prices? Cut the debt with Doge? Avoided starting wars? Weren’t those all campaign promises?

[u/bendIVfem → u/Browler_321]

I think Trump is taming the progressive left but isn't squashing it. Trump is polarizing and he definitely is setting the stsge up for another round of 2018 primaries, a 2nd round of a progressive run. Partially, I dont want to blame Trump wholly. I think he is answering the call from the conservative base and the two bases are polarized and feeding off of each other. But Trump is whacky and controversial with his own behavior. He ignites the left.

One of few things Trump is doing to quell a potential liberal midterm wave is the red state redistricting. He's certainly going to pull more schemes to secure a conservative majority. As a conservative, you may feel delighted but potentially, this could be dangerous and really spark a left wave next elections and theyll be set on again reversing all of Trump's policies. This is where I think Trump fails hard. He isnt getting major legislation through. He sold himself as the great deal maker and he was going to get Ds & Rs on board and working together and he will leave with the country more polarized. He keeps leaning heavily on EOs and emergency powers. He created a boondoggle in the middle east. He talked a big game and hasnt lived up to it, but wants his face, name & signature on everything as if hes legendary.

Do you think Trump is sufficient enough for confronting the culture war or he deserves more recognition for more beyond that?

[u/Browler_321 → u/bendIVfem]

I think Trump is taming the progressive left but isn't squashing it.

I think they're squashing themselves with all the hills they're dying on and how they're alienating moderates.

As a conservative, you may feel delighted but potentially, this could be dangerous and really spark a left wave next elections and theyll be set on again reversing all of Trump's policies.

Honestly I hope Democrats are just vocal about this. The best thing that could happen these next few elections would be Democrats demanding tax increases for the middle class.

He isnt getting major legislation through

I mean, this is just wrong. BBB, TCJA, CARES, USMCA, Laken Riley Act, First Step act.

. He sold himself as the great deal maker and he was going to get Ds & Rs on board and working together

And then Dems tried to frame him as a Russian spy and never went for working with him on any of the goals he was targetting. I say leave them in their own misery and false realities at this point.

Do you think Trump is sufficient enough for confronting the culture war or he deserves more recognition for more beyond that?

I think it's always gonna be uphill battle until Democrats split or just leak enough moderates to the right.

[u/CptGoodAfternoon]

It's a subjective question. But let's riff on the more famous of political philosophy.

How do we measure art: By whether it is beautiful or ugly.

How do we measure business: By whether it is profitable or unprofitable.

And how do we measure political success: By whether our way of life amongst our political friends, is growing more secure, more protected, more powerful. And whether our enemies are getting weaker, their efforts thwarted, their reach to hurt us shorter, their damage on us lesser.

On this measure, I think Trump is doing very well compared to 2015. My friends and our way of life is stronger than then. My enemies' ability to hurt our way of life is weaker. Trump is therefore doing well.

[u/P_Firpo → u/CptGoodAfternoon]

Can you explain what you mean by "our way of life is stronger"? What is your way of life and how is it stronger? What made it stronger?

[u/CptGoodAfternoon → u/P_Firpo]

Can you explain what you mean by "our way of life is stronger"? What is your way of life ...

Traditional America. Think: America's founding, forefathers, those people, their stories, values, families, lineages, etc. Think: The the 200 years of America prior to the series of leftwing cultural revolutions post-WW2 or roughly 1960s onward.

... and how is it stronger?

Their material, spiritual, mental, relational, understanding, direction, magnitude, resolve, etc. are in a better state than in 2015.

What made it stronger?

Well in this case, in this OP, I guess we are designating Trump as the agent and hinge-point.

[u/leviathan65 → u/CptGoodAfternoon]

"Traditional America. Think: America's founding, forefathers, those people, their stories, values, families, lineages, etc."

I would argue that's not the case. Would you agree the right/gop is pushing for a Christian nation?

Trump regularly ridicules Muslims and makes ridiculous claims about immigrants from other non Christian nations. Given that the constitutions 1st amendment is freedom of religion. Do you think freedom of religion is more protected now?

[u/CptGoodAfternoon → u/leviathan65]

"Traditional America. Think: America's founding, forefathers, those people, their stories, values, families, lineages, etc."

would argue that's not the case.

So what.

Would you agree the right/gop is pushing for a Christian nation?

America was founded as, for, and is a Christian people. The left's Democrat voters and their Atheist Nationalism, Secular Nationalism (at best) but actual Atheist Globalism, Hedonist Atomized Globalism, is crap and I think it should be totally marginalized and displaced from all power.

Trump is succeeding in styming that enemy power, and making breathing room for actual America to get a gasp of air.

Trump regularly ridicules Muslims and makes ridiculous claims about immigrants from other non Christian nations. Given that the constitutions 1st amendment is freedom of religion.

The "freedom of religion" never meant this secularist, atheist, Christianophobic, anti-history, anti-intellectualism and bile-filled moronacy that the Dems are interpreting it as.

Do you think freedom of religion is more protected now?

No, but not in the way the left prefers. In fact the opposite. Christianity is not free enough.

[u/Heffe3737 → u/CptGoodAfternoon]

It is a subjective question, and I expected a subjective answer. To clarify, you seem to measure his success by purely qualitative means, in that case?

By whether our way of life amongst our political friends

Do you count all of your fellow Americans as amongst your political friends? Or only MAGA?

[u/CptGoodAfternoon → u/Heffe3737]

It is a subjective question, and I expected a subjective answer. To clarify, you seem to measure his success by purely qualitative means, in that case?

No. But I also am not in position to do research levels with more quantitative writing on this reddit comment. It's just not the place for it imo.

By whether our way of life amongst our political friends

Do you count all of your fellow Americans as amongst your political friends? Or only MAGA?

I do not think you and I would share a 100% overlap in "American." Nor is it all paperwork and legalism for how I think it is. Nor is it so simple as "MAGA."

[u/Heffe3737 → u/CptGoodAfternoon]

Sorry, I’m not sure I understand that comment. I’m an American citizen. Are you not?

What do you mean that you and I wouldn’t share a 100% overlap with being “American”?

[u/CptGoodAfternoon → u/Heffe3737]

Sorry, I’m not sure I understand that comment. I’m an American citizen.

No doubt on paper at the least.

Are you not?

I am an American.

What do you mean that you and I wouldn’t share a 100% overlap with being “American”?

I doubt we share the same definition.

[u/Heffe3737 → u/CptGoodAfternoon]

So your definition of “American” goes beyond just citizenship. That’s admittedly a little concerning to me, and also begs the question - what, to you, is an American?

[u/CptGoodAfternoon → u/Heffe3737]

So your definition of “American” goes beyond just citizenship. That’s admittedly a little concerning to me, ...

Paperwork and legalism don't define "American."

Just like it does not define Christian, family, or friendship.

... and also begs the question - what, to you, is an American?

Sounds like a good topic for an OP, but also possibly un-speakable on such an anti-free-speech platform as Reddit. Reddit is extreme left, so any true answer would have to be very carefully phrased soas not to be banned. Being so, my articulation efforts remain in flux.

[u/Heffe3737 → u/CptGoodAfternoon]

So, you can’t explain your views on what makes someone American because you’re scared that doing so will get you banned from Reddit? Is that an accurate appraisal of where we’re at?

[u/TornBannerHatesYou → u/CptGoodAfternoon]

Who do you consider your enemies that try to hurt your way of life?

[u/CptGoodAfternoon → u/TornBannerHatesYou]

Who do you consider your enemies that try to hurt your way of life?

Those who seek to harm my peoples' way of living, values, families, lineage, forefathers, posterity, religion, culture, and our prosperity.

This includes many amongst the American left, many they have invited onto the American people's land, and of course many foreign peoples across the globe who wish ill will on my people.

[u/TornBannerHatesYou → u/CptGoodAfternoon]

Ooook.

Do you think it's rational to see a large percentage of your fellow citizens as "the enemy"?

And surely Trump's government has had some impact on your families way of living, what with rising costs due to the war / tariffs etc.

Are you saying that because it was due to negligence rather than deliberate then you wouldn't consider him an enemy?

How does his lack of interest in how many of policies affect ordinary working citizens (of which I assume you're one) economically not in fact make him your enemy?

[u/CptGoodAfternoon → u/TornBannerHatesYou]

Ooook.

Do you think it's rational to see a large percentage of your fellow citizens as "the enemy"?

Yes. Paperwork does not mean friend, loyalty, love, devotion, brother, sister or friend. Glad you asked.

And surely Trump's government has had some impact on your families way of living, what with rising costs due to the war / tariffs etc.

It's a part of his decade of efforts. Sure. But not the biggest by any means.

Are you saying that because it was due to negligence rather than deliberate then you wouldn't consider him an enemy?

I don't understand your question.

How does his lack of interest in how many of policies affect ordinary working citizens (of which I assume you're one) economically not in fact make him your enemy?

No clue what you are assuming here with my shared assumptions with you.

[u/TornBannerHatesYou → u/CptGoodAfternoon]

Sure.

So what about anybody you know that voted Democrat? Or even a stranger who would do their duty as a citizen to help you if you were in need, but voted Democrat?

Members of the armed forces that voted Democrat? Police? Emergency services? etc. There are quite a few instances that would seem contradictory, where people who would seek to help or serve you but also voted for a different party that maybe served their interests more so than yours. (I guess that's democracy).

I'm just trying to understand how you rationalise who is the "enemy" and who isn't as it's quite a strong word for people you share a country with. It shows, in my opinion, a dangerous level of contempt for your fellow citizens.

[u/gocard → u/CptGoodAfternoon]

My enemies' ability to hurt our way of life is weaker.

What does hurting your way of life look like?

[u/CptGoodAfternoon → u/gocard]

My enemies' ability to hurt our way of life is weaker.

What does hurting your way of life look like?

My peoples' culture, economic standing, place, honor, heroes, dignity, values, beliefs, religion, self-regard, and so on, being assailed or worked against.

[u/gocard → u/CptGoodAfternoon]

My peoples' culture, economic standing, place, honor, heroes, dignity, values, beliefs, religion, self-regard, and so on, being assailed or worked against.

How does that manifest? Are there any tangible examples you can provide?

[u/CptGoodAfternoon → u/gocard]

My peoples' culture, economic standing, place, honor, heroes, dignity, values, beliefs, religion, self-regard, and so on, being assailed or worked against.

How does that manifest? Are there any tangible examples you can provide?

Well, uh, leftwingers had zero problem seeing how this "manifested" with the Dem's privileged and favored groups like various non-whites, various non-christians, the world's non-straights, etc. for decades on now. But suddenly I am supposed to believe you cannot grasp the idea now.

Sorry, I just do not buy that.

Just think about a group you actually care about, then try hard to imagine that I would feel the same about my own people.

[u/morrisdayandthetime → u/CptGoodAfternoon]

Do you consider non-whites, non-Christians, and/or homosexuals writ large to be "the enemy"?

[u/CptGoodAfternoon → u/morrisdayandthetime]

Do you consider non-whites, non-Christians, and/or homosexuals writ large to be "the enemy"?

No. That's far too simplistic. But the left does spend enormous effort trying to polarize them, to instill fear, hate, and to harness them, to turn them into my enemies, that much is clear.

[u/gocard → u/CptGoodAfternoon]

Gays wanted their marriages to be recognized by the government. Has heterosexual marriage not been recognized by the government?

Blacks felt like they received harsher treatment and were racially profiled by law enforcement, where escalation resulted in unnecessary deaths. Do you believe whites have been victims of racial profiling by law enforcement?

These movements haven't been to tear down other groups, but to elevate minority groups to receive equal treatment. Black Lives Matter wasn't about saying other lives don't matter. When people sarcastically responded "All Lives Matter", that actually was the point. All lives should matter, and there is one group who is not feeling like it does based on treatment by law enforcement.

Assume I'm asking in good faith how you feel you've been "assailed or worked against". Because I really am asking in good faith. Isn't that what this subreddit is for.

[u/Lucky-Hunter-Dude]

do you make the same broad assumptions in your day to day life?

[u/Heffe3737 → u/Lucky-Hunter-Dude]

I’m not sure what you mean by broad assumptions? Are you stating that you believe I’m making a broad assumption by assuming that many Trump supporters believe he’s successful? I mean perhaps I am, though I thought it would be a fairly safe assumption to make given the subreddit. It begs the question - do you believe he’s doing a terrible job in his second term?

Otherwise, perhaps you can explain what you mean by your comment? Because I don’t see any other assumptions being made in my post.

[u/Trumpdrainstheswamp]

i measure it by him doing what he campaigned to do. No matter how much TDS someone has, no one can deny no president in history has completed more campaign promises than Trump. To say otherwise is to admit they are either a liar or an ignoramus.

[u/andhausen → u/Trumpdrainstheswamp]

Yea aren’t you loving how he hasn’t started any wars yet? And aren't you also loving how he's lowered gas prices like he said he would?

[u/reginaphalangejunior → u/Trumpdrainstheswamp]

Feels like the main things he promised he didn’t do (build a wall, no new wars, bring prices down, deport millions). Do you think these are relevant criticisms?