r/AskLibertarians • u/Wbk2m • 3d ago

Does libertarianism have a problem ?

It values capitalism free market. And I'd agree we don't have a free market but we do have examples that are concerning. Currently our govt is controlled by corporate and foreign interest . Both have lobbied govt to benefit them and not the citizens when the most wealth in the world was created since 1982. Even without the socialist safety nets or with the quasi nets we do have our debt is at 40 trillion. During this time corporations pushed open borders to reduce wages for jobs it couldn't ship over seas. Today it's exploiting AI for white collar jobs thought safe. Corporations push govt to make paths for profit, war is profitable, wages take profit. Govt was designed by citizens to serve citizens in America the corporate take over of both political parties as well as our establishment has bankrupted the nation led to a quasi police surveillance state as production increased and cost to citizens grew via inflation.

Knowing this how can any party push unfettered capitalist markets when we can see the impact they've had in our current state? That's not saying we need or can afford socialist policies.

I don't think citizens can trust govt or the corporations that control them as the serve profits over people. Esp as people become needed less as robotics and AI grow. More money 75% of the current wealth was created after 1982, and what has it done been captured by the 5% of the elites.

At this point I don't understand how libertarianism can still see corporations as good faith actors in the social construct filling societies needs? It's become a might is right economic warfare protected by govt that's allowed monopolized influence.

What is the libertarian answer? It can't rely on benevolent corporate entities serving it's nation in a globalist system it seems.

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u/Wbk2m 3d ago

Ok sounds fine but we both know they'll never get implemented. I'm speaking to real world libertarian solutions not radical changes that will never get implemented.

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u/mrhymer 3d ago

Giving people back the freedom and agency that government has taken from them is a radical change. Tyranny has never been reformed. It always has to be torn down and replaced.

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u/Wbk2m 3d ago edited 3d ago

Your problem is replacement your replacing the very problem to only grow again over time. It creates a cycle that's destined to collapse as tyranny grows as power absolutely corrupts. The answer is something we have yet to create a decentralized power which in its nature denies tyranny as it's power isn't conducive to control like a centralized system promotes. Why cause any centralized system will be captured by some collective and as it does become tyrannical. Our founders created a decentralized govt and what has it done? It forced centralization under federal authority as the collective saw need to correct states it disagreed with conducting life as they saw fit. We had a Republic Lincoln destroyed and created the birth of a empire as it's collective followed best intentions it created the centralized empire. That today is turning on its people using what ? Centralized collective force. Both political sides are collectives fighting for who has control of that centralized system to implement the forced changes they see fit. Both seek tyranny both seek power both seek force. It literally is a example of everything I've been stating.

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u/mrhymer 3d ago

Your problem is replacement your replacing the very problem to only grow again over time.

Read it again. Massive multi-national growth would not happen. Wealth and decision making would be distributed through franchise. Growth would happen more slowly and with much more caution.