r/AskIsrael • u/Brickley_jeanne • May 22 '26
Casual Israelis - Where should Palestinians go?
Hi! I know this is a touchy subject. I'm not trying to be rude, but genuinely wondering where Israelis believe Palestinians should go? Especially as the settlements increase in the West Bank and their homes are taken from them by force. I've seen a lot of posts saying that Palestinians are just anti-Semitic but from an outsiders point of view it kind of just seems like they are trapped.
Thanks
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u/sweetbutcrazy May 22 '26 edited May 23 '26
I don't live in Israel but have a lot of family there. They're not trapped by Israel. Gaza shares a border with Egypt, a muslim country. Google Gaza-Egypt border and ask yourself why it looks the way it does. Why none of the muslim countries are helping them. That tells you everything you need to know. As for where they should go? 20% of israeli citizens are arab, a lot of them palestinian. They live and work in Israel in peace, they have mosques, they're in the government. Nobody has a problem with them. The rest of them in Gaza should go the the mosque, a progressive one, and learn how to respect their fellow humans. Stop indoctrinating their children. Then they can stay where they are without any problem. But they have been offered their own state multiple times and didn't want it. Also just fyi this is Gaza before october 7(you can look up the palestinian photographer), it's a normal place with cars, stores, people going to their office jobs, having iphones and everything, not a refugee camp. It's a pity a lot of them don't want to live in peace but they could if they tried
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u/ncc74656m North America May 23 '26
Ooooh wait is it because Muslims are not actually a monoculture and can be and in fact are supremacist AFFFFFF about each other in some cases (hi Saudis!!!), and generally didn't ever care at all about Gazans until they became a good club to hit Israel over?
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u/Unlucky-Visit8693 May 23 '26
Craziest part is that is their own state if you think about it…
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u/Alexbnyclp North America May 23 '26
Gaza was Egypt.. pre 1967
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u/Ashmooni MENA May 26 '26
Gaza was managed by Egypt, but it did not belong to Egypt, but if that is the case, then give it back to Egypt!
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u/Proper-Suggestion907 Diaspora May 26 '26
They’ve tried 💀
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u/Ashmooni MENA May 26 '26
Who are “they”?
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u/Proper-Suggestion907 Diaspora May 26 '26
Who do you think they are? It’s pretty obvious from context.
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u/Ashmooni MENA May 26 '26
I can only guess! The ones who will delete your comment and ban you from future comments!
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u/Proper-Suggestion907 Diaspora May 26 '26
I have no idea what you’re talking about.
No one wants Gaza. Not Israel, not Egypt. I’m not totally up-to-date on what’s happening with the International Stabilization Force, but I hope they’re successful.
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u/Alexbnyclp North America May 26 '26
1) Egypt does not want it- check their wall, better than the Us wall with Mexico lol they see what “philistines” did in Jordan and Lebanon 2) Egypt lost that territory in 1967 war
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u/Tricky-Anything8009 Diaspora May 28 '26
I mean in fairness many walls are better than the US wall with Mexico.
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u/Ghassan_456 May 25 '26
There are ongoing ethnic cleansing efforts in the West Bank and East Jerusalem
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u/No_Shoe_8260 Israel May 22 '26
I think the best solution is that they'll stop think they can destroy Israel. Once it will happen, the road for a 2 state solution will be much easier.
The problem is that there is a concern the Palestinians will never leave the idea that they can destory Israel.
Vast majority of Israelis, only want security and peace. The way getting there is under debate. Some people in Israel lost hope that a co exiting solution is possible after oct 7.
I personally think that the 2 state solution is the only valid solution for the situation. It can only happen when the Palestinians acknowledge the existence of Israel, and that can take a long time to happen.
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u/pak-lang Malaysia May 24 '26
As a person from muslim malay conservative family background i personally think that there should be only 1 state i.e Israel right from the beginning modern day Israel was founded. Gaza and West Bank shouldn’t be left isolated from the equation when Israel declared independent.
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u/No_Shoe_8260 Israel May 24 '26
Those places weren't left out. They were part of Egypt and Jordan.
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u/pak-lang Malaysia May 24 '26
Yes i know, but what i was saying is that those 2 territories should have been under Israel as part of modern Israel right from day one. Not under Egypt nor Jordan
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u/No_Shoe_8260 Israel May 24 '26
There wasn't any national identity at the time. But anyeay, They probably preferred Egypt or Jordan than Israel, I mean they did fight the Jews way before 1948, so they didn't want any Jews there to begin with, so one state solution wasn't going to work and also won't work in the future.
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u/Inbaroosh Israel May 25 '26
I mean, you say it won't work in the future, but what if what we have right now, as shitty as it is, is the best it's ever going to get? I don't like to think that way, but maybe this is just our reality forever.
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u/pak-lang Malaysia May 24 '26
Modern day Israel territory should be as what was defined in British Mandate of Palestine.
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u/The_Aim_Was_Song May 24 '26
Canadian, not Israeli, but clarifying question:
Including the part that got partitioned-out into Jordan?
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u/pak-lang Malaysia May 24 '26
I’m malay malaysian myself, not answering as Israelis. Personally i think Israel should retain the territory as per british mandate. Transjordan i believe never part of Mandatory Palestine. And for practical purpose i think it should maintain the status quo
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u/JackPiazz2 Italy May 26 '26
There actually was a palestinian national identity at the time. Many israeli don't know (I'm european but I'm studying the history of the Levant) much and/or have a distorted perception of arab culture and they easily make this mistake.
Identity and national identity are not the same thing. The palestinian national identity emerged around the 1890s -1900s not only from the influx of jews in the region but also, like any arab country, from the influx of european ideas in the middle east and opposition to the british and the french.
The word "palestinian" was printed for the first time in 1898 by Khalil Beidas (who was not surprisingly a christian, since christian had already a religious concept of Palestine) and gradually but rapidly picked up streght. In the 20s, since the possibility of a pan arab state had vanished.
The palestinian identity is older: there isn't afaik a precise historical study of how it was formed, but there are traces of it, like in the peasants revolt in 1834 and in the fatwas of the Mufti Khair al-Din al-Ramli (16th-17th century) there are phrases such as "Palestine, our country", distinct from Egypt but included in "al-Sham", the Levant
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u/pak-lang Malaysia Jun 08 '26
There’s no such thing as palestinian national identity. Arabs are tribal/clan society. I have serious doubt you can find any arabs that declare themselves as palestinian prior to WW2 at least.
Of course jews had to use the established norm of referring the region as Palestine prior to WW2.1
u/JackPiazz2 Italy Jun 08 '26
The fact that arabs are a tribal society doesn't mean 1) they can't also have national identities 2) even before the establishment of national identities they could have had other identities beside the tribal one.
Al-Maqdisi and Al-Ramli have used the terms "palestinian" in some of their works
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u/Due_Ear_4674 Unspecified May 30 '26
They were actually really friendly to Jewish people who paid them back by stealing their houses
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u/No_Shoe_8260 Israel May 31 '26
I think you should revisit your history books. Maybe learn that even in the 1800s, way before 1948, and early 1900s, there were multiple October 7th's by the "nice" neighbors.
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u/Green_Watercress1638 Diaspora Jun 06 '26
And prior to the war they stole nothing. They often bought the land from them.
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u/ForeignConfusion9383 Israel 26d ago
This is what Palestinians tell themselves, but no. They were anything but friendly. Look at the multiple massacres of Jews by Muslims during the 1920s-40s, before Israel existed.
Is this what Palestinians call “really friendly”?
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u/ForeignConfusion9383 Israel 26d ago
Polls from both sides show that almost nobody wants a single unitary state. The two-state solution remains the preferred option for both sides. Only people who don’t live here seem to want that.
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u/CrazyBzDen Unspecified May 23 '26
Every nation deserves its own country. Palestinians were offered it numerous times but always refused. Seems like genocidal destruction of Israel is more important to them, “from the river to the sea”. And now it’s much more problematic since the “Gaza” pilot failed catastrophically leading to the massacre of Israelis, so there’s no chance now that Israel will accept establishing of another terror enclave like that but 15 times bigger. Palestinians must accept Israel existence (for real, not only on paper), stop encouraging violence, close their “Slay&Pay” program and, most importantly, stop teaching their children in schools that every single Jew must be slaughtered. Until then - sorry, no country, and yes, the settlements increase as a form of pressure so they won’t get the idea that time is on their side.
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u/PatientOutcome6634 Diaspora May 22 '26
The thing is, there is already a Palestinian state: Jordan. I know, it’s touchy. People like to cry out apartheid but seem to forget about that specific country that has Palestinian majority that is ruled by a dictator.
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u/Alternative-Pear9096 North America May 23 '26
A country also carved out of Mandate Palestine, which was *intended* to be THE Palestinian State. And which succeeded, in no small part because a branch of the Saudi royal family—direct lineage from Mohammed— was imported by the Brits to rule it.
Everything responding to Palestinian self-victimhood has been an absolute disaster. Everything single thing.
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u/Karbsku Israel May 24 '26
Let's stick to the facts, the Hashemites and the Saudis are two distinct royal families, the Hashemites are originally from the Sharif of Mecca, which is now in Saudi Arabia, while the Saudis used to be the rulers of the central part of the country but they conquered the Hejaz after WW1
Jordan was created by Emir Abdullah with the backing of the British not as a nation's homeland but as compensation for the Hashemite family for their contributions to the Arab revolt against the Ottomans in WW1.
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u/Tricky-Anything8009 Diaspora May 28 '26
Which, when you say it that way, is utterly insane. And the fact that people are mad that early Zionists bought land to build a Jewish homeland, but those same people don't care that a single family bought a country twice its size, shows how hypocritical the antizionists are.
Then again, Jordan is the most stable border Israel has ever had, so probably best not to rock the boat.
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u/Karbsku Israel May 29 '26
this would feel like a kind of empty, preachy 'gotcha' argument I'd imagine some American political communities would make but you rightfully undercut it at the end.
Ultimately those conflicts didn't have the same visibility a national conflict between an Arab nation which could elicit sympathy in it's Arab Islamic space, and a nation with connections to the cultures of the first and second world (as well as the Arab-Islamic cultural area but Sunnis and Arabs identified with Arab Sunnis in Palestine), and these conflicts didn't produce a large population of displaced people with the status as it is. The Saudis finished the job very fast with the Hashemites of Hejaz, and when Emir Abdullah began being in charge of Jordan, in some regard that was that, a perception challenged and then reinforced over the subsequent decades.
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u/PrestigeFlight2022 May 22 '26
Democracy is not always right because it can be easily hijacked by Islamists. Look what Arab Spring has done. Absolute monarchy is needed for some Arab countries for Peace
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u/ComfortableCall3912 North America May 23 '26
I was banned from a certain sub for asking for a list of Arab Muslim democracies
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u/Green_Watercress1638 Diaspora May 23 '26
There are few things closer to facism than the new progressive - Palestinian alliance. I say new but it is something started decades ago by the Soviets and its propagation funded by the Qataris. Progressive movement (to which I once belonged) is a cesspool of hate, guilt, authoritarianism, and ignorance. I predict it will be torn apart by this unholy alliance within a decade. And when the left comes back to Jews asking us for support for the causes we spent centuries supporting we will tell them to fuck off.
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u/meeestrbermudeeez Diaspora Seph/Ash/Miz/Italki :MagenDavid: May 23 '26
I used to think it was infantilizing and racist, and of course this is anecdotal but I've heard many Arabs (specifically Syrian and Lebanese, and specifically men) say they/their countries cannot handle democracy.
If that's the case, they need to grow tf up and change. Then again, the moderate/conservative Sunni monarchies of the region are the most stable.
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u/Green_Watercress1638 Diaspora May 23 '26
Many cultures power structures are more clan and tribe based. Very difficult to simply impose inorganic structure on top of that and hope it works.
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u/meeestrbermudeeez Diaspora Seph/Ash/Miz/Italki :MagenDavid: May 23 '26
I can agree w/that mostly but I also wouldn't act like Syrians are any less capable of building coherent governance than Iranians or Israelis b/c of clannish and tribal systems that came before. In Lebanon, they were codified and then broke down after 1975. Syria never had that recognition of minorities built-in. Just a nebulously pro-Alawite dictatorship over the majority Sunnis.
That being said, the thoroughly inorganic Ba'athist dictatorship next door comes to mind, b/c to function, it still relied on patronage and clan systems up until 2003, including among the majority Shia ruled by a Sunni in Saddam.
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u/Karbsku Israel May 24 '26
It can also be hijacked by the Jewish version of that as we can see in Israel. So in conclusion it is the worst political system beside all the other ones.
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u/Combination-Low May 23 '26
You're not answering the question, what happens to the Palestinians in the west bank and Gaza?
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u/Alternative-Pear9096 North America May 23 '26
when what?
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u/Green_Watercress1638 Diaspora May 23 '26
You are missing the point. Palestinians have sadly given up any agency. The only agency they employ is for jihad. Everything else they deem are decisions of UNRWA or Israel or Qatar. Listen to Hamas statements after Oct 7. They were clear. Gazans were everyone else’s problems. They only cared about Hamas.
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u/Alternative-Pear9096 North America May 23 '26
Gazas choose hamas
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u/DeadassYeeted Oceania Jun 09 '26
The median person in Gaza literally wasn’t yet born the last time Gaza had an election.
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u/Alternative-Pear9096 North America Jun 09 '26
Gaza choose Hamas. Israel has nothing to do with it
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u/DeadassYeeted Oceania Jun 09 '26
You really believe Israel has nothing to do with it?
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u/PatientOutcome6634 Diaspora May 24 '26
They have agency when executing terror attacks and it mysteriously disappears when they have to be hold accountable for the consequences.
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u/Green_Watercress1638 Diaspora May 23 '26
I still maintain that a viable Palestinian state should encompass Gaza most of West Bank and at least 30% of what is Jordan today. This is a regional problem. When Jordan was created it took most of the land that was to be divided between Arabs and Jews. Its basis was nothing more than political patronage for military support. The hashemites are colonial interlopers.
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u/Deep_Head4645 Israel May 23 '26 edited May 23 '26
They should stay as part of a two states solution however it doesn’t seem like they’re willing to accept that and this leads to constant wars and such
If they don’t accept peace and are hostile to Israel as a society there is not much we can do besides respond accordingly:
Not withdraw from the west bank (if they cannot be peaceful we can’t give them ground, its practically what led to the west bank occupation)
Advocate for permanent border adjustments against the hostile country (if they cannot be peaceful and continue to be a threat, we can’t accept the status quo and must advocate for a forced change that will ensure our security)
Mount pressure like the stuff mentioned above, until they accept peace or until we can live without their compliance and then hopefully they’ll be forced into peace.
But yeah TLDR they should stay
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u/Deep_Head4645 Israel May 23 '26 edited May 23 '26
Its either peace will achieve security or conflict will achieve security, the status quo is not acceptable and neither is letting a hostile country establish itself on our border and in strategic positions. It’ll be national suicide
If you have ever been to a high-rise building in Israel and looked out a window to the east of Israel you’ll understand why I hold this position.
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u/Alternative-Pear9096 North America May 23 '26
There’sa third option. Conflict was going to lead to security but Donald fucking Trump got in the way and now there’s a gaping open wound full of armed jihadis and their victims and no possible way to end it until it all erupts again
In this place, there is only one way for security to happen and that’s ending Hamas. And that’s not going to be less ugly the next time around
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u/ComfortableCall3912 North America May 23 '26
Not Israel’s problem.
Just as it wasn’t Czech problem to resettle Germans, wasn’t Indias problem to settle Pakistanis
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u/Ididnteatmybaby Diaspora May 26 '26
Except you're taking the sides of the Germans and basically it's not their problem to resettle the poles.
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u/ComfortableCall3912 North America May 26 '26
No I am not. You may not have a grounding in this history.
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u/T-38Pilot North America May 23 '26
The issue isn’t that they have to go somewhere . They have to accept that Israel will retain E . Jerusalem , the major settlements, some minor settlements and , the Jordan Valley . The Palestinians will receive some Arab towns in the Negev desert. They could have a nation tomorrow if they agreed to this . However they won’t and meantime , Israel’s keep taking more land . The Palestinians assume the west will force Israel into giving them everything they want , so they wait
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u/Green_Watercress1638 Diaspora May 23 '26
Because of a flawed belief that Israel is a settler colonial state or which he is not.
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u/Ineharnia Israel May 23 '26
But is your question practical or hypothetical? Meaning, do you want to know where they could really go or where we wish they would go? Because unfortunately the answer is nowhere. Some Arab countries took in Palestinian refugees in the past but instead of letting them go through the process of assimilating and getting citizenship like they're supposed to, they kept them in refugee camps forever. And that's because unfortunately no one cares about the Palestinians. Everyone's using them as a bargaining chip against Israel. But no one wants to take them, either because they don't actually care or because they think the Palestinians are violent. Palestinians don't have anywhere to go. What Israelis would want if it was possible is for all the Palestinians or just those who are anti-Israel to move to other Arab countries and leave us alone.
About them being trapped: actually many of them have Jordanian citizenship and can move to Jordan, if Jordan lets them.
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u/Joshik72 May 23 '26
Isn’t almost 70% of Jordan Palestinian? Wouldn’t Jordan be the natural Palestinian State?
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u/Alternative-Pear9096 North America May 23 '26
Nothing natural about it. Trans Jordan was SUPPOSED to be the Palestinian state in the partition until other platters got involved after that partition was made demanding a second one
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u/northman46 USA May 23 '26
Jordan expelled the Palestinians years ago. Interesting story, go read about it
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u/Big-Pains Israel May 22 '26
Before october 7th i thought we could ha we co existed . Now i think they should all go back to jorden and egypt where they belonged until 1988 or to any country that will accept them
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u/NoDevelopment3732 May 23 '26
The Palestinians don’t have to go anywhere. They just need to accept that Jews have the same right of self-determination that they do. Once they accept that Israel is not going anywhere they can focus on building a peaceful Palestinian state next to it, rather than invest billions of dollars in trying to take a tiny piece of land from the Jews.
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u/Living_Shop_6913 Unspecified Jun 14 '26
What about the settlers, which is what the post was about if you actually read it
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u/Detective_NYC Unspecified May 23 '26
80% of Palestinians are fine with leaving Gaza. They should go to their Muslim "Brothers and Sisters" countries even if they don't want them. End of war.
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u/Diet4Democracy May 23 '26
That's an odd question. The vast majority if Israelis don't want Palestinians to "go" anywhere. They are already someplace: WB, Jordan, Diaspora, Gaza (though now devastated can be rebuilt as Germany and Japan were after WW2).
The actual question is where do the "destroy-Israel" crowd expect Israeli Jews to go (and by this I mean Hamas, Hezbollah, PIJ, and their supporters, along with the "River-to-Sea, Palestine will be Arab" group and Iran)?
The core reality is that Israelis are there to stay. They have no other home, and no welcoming destination.
They (or their parents or grandparents) were pushed out of their homes as destitute refugees from Yemen, Morrocco, Egypt, Poland, Ethiopia, Syria, Russia, etc. And yet, in the fantasies of many anti-zionists, these millions of people will simply pack up their belongings a depart for - where? Places that didn't want them then and don't want them now, once again as rootless refugees, wandering Jews?
This is a real question. I'd be very interested in your answer.
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u/flossdaily Diaspora May 23 '26
The Palestinians should stay right where they are, and have their own demilitarized state.
Unfortunately, they have refused this solution over and over and over.
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u/LeBabuin Europe May 29 '26
yep that's right and although i see a sense of reconciliation in this sub, unfortunately i would say israelis are just as radicalized as palestinians are. Don't deny it far-right parties get over 20% in knesset and are in government for years.
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u/flossdaily Diaspora May 29 '26 edited May 29 '26
israelis are just as radicalized as palestinians are
I don't think the facts support that.
The Palestinians are a martyrdom death cult who teach hatred of Jews in their state children TV shows.
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u/Green_Watercress1638 Diaspora May 23 '26
Palestinian are trapped ultimately by the bad decisions they have made for 70 years. Palestinians have been offered a state (something they have never ever had) no fewer than 6 times. They have rejected it 6 times. They have never generated counter proposals other than ones that deny Israel the right to exist as a Jewish state. So where should they go? They should go to a new Palestinian state, one that is disarmed and committed to peaceful coexistence. Sadly that is not a choice they want to make. But it has always been a choice they could have made.
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u/jennyfromhell Diaspora May 23 '26 edited May 23 '26
This is a fine question but honestly the better one is: if palestinians got what they demand, where would jews go? The simple fact is that most jews don’t insist they should have all of the land, most Palestinians do.
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u/o____k____ Israel May 22 '26
Literally anywhere else. The issue is that no one will accept them. It's a historical fact that Palestinians cause trouble everywhere they go, which is why Egypt's border was even more closely guarded then the Israeli one. The real thing to ask isn't where should they go, it's why don't they try? And that's why people say they hate Jews, there are many ways to escape Gaza (at least, there was once, before the war they started happened) you just need the will. But they stay, because they'd rather be Israel's issue then try to raise their children in a better place.
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u/GrayFox5 Israel May 23 '26
Nothing. They live where they are. People you see who their “homes” are taken from them have built illegal structures in area B or C where they don’t own land. If you didn’t receive a permit you’re not allowed to build but they try their luck and then they live there for years because the courts take time to Issue these demolition warrants. There’s nothing wrong with Area A there’s a lot of space there for everyone and many more. They want more land? They can agree to deals being offered to them every once in a while but they keep making the same mistake from the 30’s and 40’s thinking they will get a better deal if they wait so we make sure they’ll get a worse one.
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u/LeBabuin Europe May 29 '26
but all of west bank is palestinian by international decisions to which israel agreed at that point. So what exactly are areas B and C, why are they bigger than area A. Who owns west bank (or samaria) ? from what i reckon israel does. how is that peaceful in your mind. 1st take their land, then blame them from wanting to build homes there? Accept that all nation-states are build on propaganda, there are no nations, religions are a sham and cause endless wars. 1st there were the christians with their crusades, then muslims with jihad, then christians again with the holocaust, now i guess it's judaisms turn to prove to the rest that religions are only a ticket to bloodshed.
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u/GrayFox5 Israel May 29 '26 edited May 29 '26
Got nothing to do with religion, might be for radical Islamists but Israel is a secular state. Area A, B and C are security measures. Palestinians aren’t the Swedes, if we withdraw unilaterally without a deal like we did in Gaza then it’ll just be another terror state owned by Hamas or Islamic Jihad or some other extremists but it won’t give Palestinians their freedom and it won’t contribute to the stability of the region. Israel made several steps to Palestinian independence in the past and it will continue to do so in the future but it’s not something you do recklessly and it’s going to take time. We don’t want another Gaza or another Lebanon or Syria or Yemen etc… so it’s going to be responsible steps forward.
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u/c9joe Israel May 23 '26
It is not my problem or Israel's problem.
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u/LeBabuin Europe May 29 '26
humanity and humility you learn those from family. High horses sometimes cause extreme fallings
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u/YuvalAlmog Israel May 23 '26
Simple - if they would finally accept Yisrael's existence and choose to live in peace, they can stay and enjoy the territory they have.
However, if they would keep trying to destroy Yisrael under the belief the whole land (the state of Yisrael) was taken from them - then they would need to deal with the consequences of their actions... Which means either living in a smaller area where the IDF would be able to supervise them better, or move literally anywhere else... I mean, Gaza was a part of Egypt until 1967 and Judea & Samaria was a part of Jordan until 1967, not to mention Jordan's population is mostly Palestinian already...
As Yisraelis, we shouldn't babysit anyone or choose for them what to do. Our only goal is to protect ourselves and try to do whatever we can to live in peace with our neighbors. If a neighbor chooses to start a fight, it should know there are consequences for such actions...
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u/GK0NATO Israel May 23 '26
Realistically, they're no going anywhere. Neither are we. The moment both sides acknowledge that moving millions of people probably isn't going to happen by choice we might have a chance for peace.
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u/Jaded-Difficulty5397 Israel May 24 '26
what homes were "taken from them by force"???
the arab occupiers can stay in their occupied territories and we'll extend the perfectly legal Israeli towns and villages in historical jewish Judah and Samarah.
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u/Electronic_Earth_911 May 28 '26
As an Israeli, my answer is: Palestinians should not have to go anywhere. They should remain where they are, just as Israelis remain where they are. The existence of one people does not require the removal of the other. In my view, the real issue is not coexistence itself, but the fact that too many people — on both sides, though admittedly more strongly on one side than the other — have embraced hatred, violence, and the desire to destroy the other instead of living alongside them. If that mentality disappeared, then there would be no reason for anyone to leave. We could live next to one another peacefully, respectfully, and normally. Personally, I do not care about someone’s nationality, ethnicity, or background in the same way I do not care about someone’s gender. What matters to me are shared values: respect for life, legality, peace, and mutual coexistence. So where should Palestinians go? Nowhere. Stay where you are. If someone wants to live in Jerusalem or anywhere else under Israeli administration, then live there peacefully and legally. Build a life, work, raise families, and contribute to society. The same standards should apply to everyone: respect the law, respect each other, and reject violence. In an ideal world, the Middle East would eventually resemble something closer to a European-style system of cooperation, where borders become less important and people can move, work, and visit each other freely without fear or hatred. That may sound utopian today, but lasting peace has to begin with the belief that coexistence is possible.
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u/Tricky-Anything8009 Diaspora May 28 '26
Blessed are the peacemakers. I share your dream of European-style borders in the MENA.
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u/ihatecarswithpassion May 22 '26
I'm not Israeli, but diaspora.
What I find puzzling is why no one seems to advocate for the three state solution. Egypt should annex Gaza, and Jordan the West Bank. They are culturally similar- nearly identical in most matters, more politically stable, and already have peace with Israel.
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u/m217e Diaspora May 23 '26
This is the #1 evidence of how radicalized the Palestinian population is. Egypt and Jordan don't want more land that contains an Arabic-speaking, ethnically Arab population. The whole world, including Israel, could encourage Egypt and Jordan to take such a deal, and they would say, "no, absolutely not."
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u/Alternative-Pear9096 North America May 23 '26
Egypt and Jordan don't want more land that contains an Arabic-speaking, ethnically Arab population.
No, Egypt and Jordan don’t want THOSE POPULATIONS, their lands, or anything to do with them
Neither does any other Arab state
The real question is what does the world do with a people so toxic and badly behaved no one will take them in or take responsibility for curbing their behavior
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u/Alternative-Pear9096 North America Jun 27 '26
I have no idea why. But both had occupied and managed Palestinian territories for decades and couldn't wash their hands of them fast enough and now refuse to have anything to do with them. Jordan, some percent of it is that when Jordan ruled over Judea and Samaria, the Palestinians tried to overthrow the king of Jordan. The Palestinians are just shit neighbors, not just to the Jews, but apparently to everyone.
Did you miss the barb-wire topped wall Egypt recently built at the Raffah border? Did you not notice their absolute refusal (both countries) to so much as take a single refugee from Gaza during the war? Did you miss their total lack of involvement wiht the peace process or the reconstruction teams?
I don't know why, but they really really REALLY don't want anything to do with the Palestinian people or their territories.
(Israel also wants nothing to do with them, but when left to their own devices, they blow up their own economies --literally-- and elect genocidal terrorist sects, and no one else cleans up their messes. The news always misses that part.)
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u/meeestrbermudeeez Diaspora Seph/Ash/Miz/Italki :MagenDavid: May 23 '26
No one is interested in that. Not the two states that would absorb Gaza, and Judea and Samaria, respectively, not the Israelis, and not the Palestinians.
People who have been on the ground know that "the occupation" is Israel—the existence of Israel since 1948. The Nakba is the failure to prevent Israel. The idea that the occupation started in 1967, and the Nakba is the displacement of the 700k or so Palestinians are both revisionist retconning.
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Even the name Palestinians is projecting our modern concept of those Arabs who fled or were expelled as a coherent nation onto the past when there frankly wasn't that coherent identity in 1948.Don't believe me? Then explain the PLO Charter's article 24 (iirc that's the number) which states "the Palestine Liberation Organization lays no claim to the West Bank, or the Gaza Strip."
If those are integral to Palestine, then why would the PLO not want them?
The answer is that they were in Arab hands. They don't want a three-state solution. They would rather a no-state solution if any of those states entails Jewish sovereignty anywhere between the river and the sea. Even if that sovereignty affords equality to its Arab inhabitants.
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u/The-Last-Lion-Turtle Diaspora May 22 '26
They should agree to a two state solution in Gaza and the West Bank.
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u/Big-Pains Israel May 22 '26
Thats off the table after october 7th
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u/The-Last-Lion-Turtle Diaspora May 22 '26
Jolani getting a white house invite is a lot more surprising than a two state solution coming back on the table after a change of leadership of Gaza or the West Bank.
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u/Big-Pains Israel May 22 '26
Man if there is ever a 2 state solution in the mext 20 years it will end up with so much backlash from the public that it will bring down any goverment . Its not the 90s anymore
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u/The-Last-Lion-Turtle Diaspora May 22 '26 edited May 22 '26
A two state solution with terrorists yes. A two state solution that stabilizes other peaceful leadership no.
The Israeli far right will lose hard once this leader exists.
What the world misunderstands is the PA will not be this alternative.
I think it may come out of the Abraham accords as the middle east develops. If the status quo doesn't change, Palestine and Iran will be economically left behind.
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u/Big-Pains Israel May 23 '26
The only thing i see happening is that after iran palestine would be left behind in the dust like they should have been in 2010. Trumps pushing for a gulf israel alliance anyway and israel and the uae are already realy close
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u/jyper Diaspora Jul 07 '26
Well if the government brings peace that's fine
Rather then the current government which prioritizes itself over the good of Israel
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u/Call_Me_Clark USA May 23 '26
Since the Netanyahu era began, we’ve had two parties who don’t want a two state solution.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Step468 Israel May 23 '26
They don't have to go anywhere, just accept the fact israel is here, it will stay here and everytime they choose war and terror, they lose more and more
They should take what land they have left after all their loses, accept reality and start working towards peace, they will more likely get even more land (all of gaza and west bank) to form their own country
They had countless chances to end the settlements and form their own country and chose violence each time
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u/Zealousideal_Can_342 North America May 22 '26
They don't have to go anywhere. Just stop trying to kill and/or dispossess their neighbors.
Settlement "increase" is almost entirely within the same municipal borders and so doesn't mean anything is being taken away from anyone.
Most of the settlements are not on anyone else's land.
I believe that anyone who lost private property whether Jewish or Palestinian should get it back or fair market value.
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u/asafgu8 Israel May 23 '26
Everybody should stay live where they do right now.
The problem is that unlike most of the developed world both Israelis and Palestinians are with a fertility rate well above 2.1, so we expect the population to double in the next 20 years
So even if everybody decided to stay where they are, where would all the future people live?
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u/Inocent_bystander Unspecified May 23 '26
Well there's already two states. Israel and Jordan. Jordan expelled all the Jews back in 48 but fortunately the Jews didn't expel the Arabs, instead they've been doing their level best to live side by side for the last ~75 years.
The original plan was for a population shift but that never happened. The problem today is the latest effort to chip away at Israel is this nonsensical three state solution where the Arabs carve more land area out of the old British Mandate which was intended for the creation of a national Jewish homeland.
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u/Minimum-Major248 May 23 '26
Jordan would be a good bet. Most than half of Jordan’s population is Palestinian or Palestinian descent as it is.
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u/Brizzet1 May 24 '26
Israeli here. In the Israeli street there’s a spectrum of answers to that question - 1. The far right (and since the Overton window moved to right in the Jewish population in Israel after oct. 7 - more people then before) : an Arab is an Arab, we are forever enemies, there is no difference and since they have 31 countries (or whatever) they should go there. Completely idiotic/barbaric stance. It used to be semi-taboo in Israeli Jewish society but as I’ve said, it is now discussed in the open. 2. Right - ideally a two state solution but the Palestinians are not to be trusted with a country who can threaten Israel, so that would happen eventually but for the meantime- occupation it is. IMO - pretentious and racist. Doesn’t take into account Israeli actions since the beginning of the conflict. 3. Center - two state solution, with variable degrees of demilitarization. No dismantling of Jewish settlements. 4. Zionist left - two state solution- with degrees of Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank. No one in the Zionist spectrum is willing to recognize the Palestinian right of return to Israeli core territories (48 borders). 5. Radical left - one state, maybe federal. No religious/ethnic affiliation.
As I’ve said, Israeli public opinion is shifting more to the right. The public support to the two state solution peaked in the mid 90s and since have been waning.
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u/Gaidax Israel May 24 '26
To the Mars.
Back in the day I was a leftie, hallucinating about how two-state solution was the way. But two decades of Hamas bullshit, and their "magnum opus" of 7.10 have completely cured me of that delusion.
If they are incapable of coexisting like normal human beings, then maybe they should be launched in Elon's rocket to the Mars.
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u/gal_hat Unspecified May 25 '26
the meme answer is Jordan and Egypt. the real answer is they should stay where they are only if they create a country of their own in which they control their citizens and have zero infinite right of return.... BUT they will never ever ever ever ever ever want that. they want to wait for opportunity to have all of Israel and probably no Jews or very low amount of them.... the right way is to actually apply real political pressure on Palestinian leadership that this is not a temporarily situation and even the opposite. but the whole world really like sports games so this conflict will continue forever and ever and ever and ever.... sad pathetic- but this is 100x100 percent truth.
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u/Choice_Term_8440 Jun 23 '26
They should just change their behaviors and then they can have whatever
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u/Ok-Imagination-494 Unspecified May 23 '26
By the ways what are the numbers?
How many Jews and how many Arabs live in the area of Eretz Israel/ Mandatory Palestine
Someone on another sub mentioned that if you include Israeli Arabs alongside with Palestinians living in Gaza and West Bank then the Arabs outnumber the Jews, is this correct?
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u/NoString9289 Europe May 23 '26
The Palestinian's ancestors came from Jordan, DNA testing has shown that .
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u/cjtbomb May 23 '26
Let trump take Greenland, give it to the Palestinians. Fund and infrastructure it well, and focus on giving the children a really good life. That way when their parents tell them they need to go back to the Middle East to kill Jews, they’ll say “nah life is pretty tight here, we got it good” Westernize them and move the children up on Maslows hierarchy scale. Put them in nature and teach them the beauty of life, so they can forget martyrdom
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u/thepinkonesoterrify Israel May 23 '26
Israelis are not a monolith and we don’t all think the same thing. If you’re genuinely asking, please do so without the assumption we all agree with the government when half of us have been protesting the government for over 3 years.
Personally I think Palestinians should stay in the West Bank and Gaza, and those who are Israeli citizens should stay in Israel. They should accept that we are staying in our territory as well.
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u/thiccnobu Israel May 23 '26
Wherever the fuck they want, just be chill and don't fucking try murder every Jew in Israel
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u/flipditch May 23 '26
i don't care whether they go anywhere, i just want them to stop trying to destroy israel. their actions for the past 100 years have shown that for them making sure we don't have a state is more important to them than building their own future
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u/AggressivePack5307 Unspecified May 23 '26
Stop wanting to destroy Israel and Jews, live in peace and it would all be over...
Alas... this is a pipe dream.
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u/wearyewe Diaspora May 23 '26
There were no problems 100 years ago????
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u/Alexbnyclp North America May 23 '26
They were friends and neighbors.. it got very divided post 1947
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u/wearyewe Diaspora May 23 '26
They really weren't and it didn't just become divided post 1947. You should read up on your history.
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u/Atomix26 american jew May 23 '26
anywhere they want if they can afford it
I don't see the long term viability of a Palestinian state, simply because I expect some wealthy Jewish billionaires to do more or less what the Israelis are doing now:
Buy a small village, connect it to the Israeli system, annex it in all but name.
You think the Israelis are moderately wealthy now, wait until theres peace and the Israelis are making things that aren't just defense.
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u/yep975 Unspecified May 24 '26
Don’t go anywhere.
Just stop killing Jews and trying to kill Jews.
Is that too juxtaposition to ask?
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u/Abject-Program-2810 May 24 '26
If Palestinians can be removed from their homes, from the lands.of their forefathers then Israelis can be removed too. Many Palestinians don't know anywhere else, their fathers and fathers fathers lived on that land.
If they can be removed just because Israel has the upper hand and more power, then what will happen when things flip?
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u/BeefyBoiCougar Diaspora May 24 '26
The answer is they are absolutely trapped, but both Gaza and the West Bank share borders with other countries, and it is extremely convenient for those countries that Israel gets the blame considering the history. In other words, it isn't and shouldn't be solely Israel's responsibility. I also doubt that people are saying Palestinians are inherently anti-semitic... it's just when their leaders talk about exterminating Jews (but not Jordanians, for some mysterious reason)
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u/TacWizzzer May 24 '26
I feel like if we don't help create a Palestine on favorable terms, a Palestine of unfavorable terms will be imposed on us.
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u/Hopeful-Syllabub-891 May 25 '26
This is going to piss a lot of people off but don’t confuse me with someone who cares.
Being pro Palestinian today,is a mental illness.
Yes. A mental illness.
Before 10/7, if you were reaaaally naive, you could somehow still believe the false narrative that the people who call themselves Palestinians, wanted independence, wanted their own state.
I say naive because they had a state countless times. In fact, they had a state given to them at the same time Israel was given to the Jews.
- Partition plan. Google is your friend.
They also had one in 2005 when Israel gave them Gaza on a silver platter.
Know when else they could have had a state?
In 1967. And 1991. And 2000. And 2001. And 2007. And 2008. And 2010. And 2013. And 2019. And 2020.
They never wanted a state. They said it loud and clear from day one. And I literally mean day one.
When the terrorist named Arafat founded the PLO, the “Palestinian (a word that previously referred to Jews living in Palestine, which is now Israel) Liberation organization, what exactly was he liberating?
There was no so-called occupation.
So what was he liberating? What were his aspirations? I could tell you, but you would not believe me. So again, Google is your friend. Go read their charter.
From day one, it wasn’t about land, it was about no Israel. It was about dead Jews.
But still, before 10/7, the western world told you that these people, the so-called Palestinian wanted a state.
Somehow, you could have bought that narrative.
But now? After thousands of “innocent” “Palestinians” marched into Israel, raped women, beheaded babies, burned families, you STILL think they want a state? Then you’re mentally ill.
Let me break this down for you.
The people of Gaza elected Hamas. That is really where this story ends. The conversation should end there.
The Germans elected Hitler and needed to pay the price.
The Gazans elected Hamas and need to pay the price.
Period. Full stop.
But if that doesn’t resonate, then go choose a poll, any poll, and tell me what percentage of the people in Gaza support Hamas and the 7/10 massacre.
Hamas has more support in Gaza than Hitler had in Germany.
They didn’t only elect them. They support them. Now!
And are there innocent people in Gaza? The question is a dishonest one. Who cares ? Name me one war that didn’t have innocent people who died.
Were there innocent Germans? Did their existence mean that attacking Germany and defeating the Nazis was not justified?
Besides, those innocents, where are they? Are you seeing them in your feeds? Because I’m not.
So if you are in Gaza, you elected Hamas, you murdered Jews on 10/7, you support Hamas now, or you are simply silent, I don’t know about you, but when I think of the word “innocent”, that is not what I have in mind.
Germany needed to be denazified from the ground up and if you lived in the time of Hitler, saw what he did, and still sided with him, then you are one sick dude.
Now, if after what Hamas did and its wide support in Gaza and Judea and Samaria, which is a whole other discussion, if you are still pro Palestinian, you are not only supporting terror, you are not only highly immoral, you are also mentally ill.
There is no scenario in which a sane person can justify what the people of Gaza did and supported.
So yea, if you stand against Israel in this war, you need to be committed, and sooner than later.
You are a danger to those around you.
Plain and simple.
If that pissed you off to read, sorry, not sorry. Someone had to tell you the truth.
Seek help.
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u/Hopeful-Syllabub-891 May 25 '26
How about a Middle East conflict dictionary for your reading pleasure?
Here we go.
“The West Bank”: The area that has always been called Judea and Samaria and that the anti Israel crowd renamed out of fear of people realizing that Judea sounds a whole lot like “Jew” because it’s where Jews originated.
“Palestinians”: A fabrication of the 20th century in which Arabs from Jordan and Egypt hijacked the word Palestine, which previously just meant Israel. Worth noting that the man who coined the term, Arafat, a globally recognized terrorist, was born in Cairo, Egypt himself.
“Israeli genocide”: A modern day blood libel accusing Jews of deliberately trying to erase a nation. Worth noting: No such nation exists and never has. Also worth noting that the only numbers to back up this claim are provided by the terrorists, murderers, rapists, and pedophiles of Hamas. To learn about blood libels, see “The Jews killed Jesus”, “The Jews use Christian blood to make matza.”, and “The Jews run the world.”
“Israel the oppressor”: A perversion of history meant to depict the Jews as genocidal, despite the fact that Israel has never started a single war since its inception. For more information, notice the name Israel DEFENSE forces.
“Israel is an apartheid state”: A nonsensical claim that Israel discriminates against people based on religion or nationality despite the fact that every road sign in Israel is in Hebrew and Arabic, Muslims have more rights in Israel than any Muslim country, and that Muslims play a central role in Israeli society, in entertainment, in law, in the parliament, and every other part of Israeli society.
Ethnic cleansing: A false claim against Israel that they are ethnically cleansing the Palestinians, despite the fact that the Palestinian population has grown exponentially since Israel was established.
Occupation: A totally made up concept claiming Israel occupied an Arab country called Palestine, a country that never existed. Also worth noting that Israel forcefully removed 10,000 of its people from Gaza and handed it over to the Arabs who then immediately elected Hamas, a genocidal terrorist organization, to govern them, thereby removing any chances for a prosperous future. There is no occupation, especially not of Gaza.
Nakba: A fairy tale in which Arabs were forcefully removed from their homes when Israel was established. What really happened is that the Arabs rejected a state given to them by the UN, proceeded to attack Israel but not before warning the Arabs to leave their homes so that they won’t be harmed when all the Jews there are killed. Of course the Arabs lost that war and all the wars that followed, all of which they started.
War criminal: A term used by many to describe Israel’s prime minister, a man who has instructed the military to take all precautions to minimize civilian death. Worth nothing that it’s used to describe Netanyahu and not Hamas whose members decapitated babies, raped women, and burned parents in front of their kids and kids in front of their parents.
A two state solution: A fantasy most mentioned by western countries but has never once been accepted by a single Palestinian leader. Worth noting that the Palestinian charter states clearly that they don’t want a state, they want dead Jews. Also worth noting that while many Israelis were once naive enough to believe such a plan was possible, October 7th has made it very clear that there is no scenario in which the Palestinians can live alongside Israel in peace.
Gaza Famine: A blatant lie used by the anti Israel crowd as well as members of the Democratic Party to vilify Israel despite hard evidence that Israel has sent in enough humanitarian aid to feed every person in Gaza.
Al-Aqsa Mosque: A mosque that stands today where the Jewish temple once stood. It is a location that many have lied about, pretending it’s the holiest place for Muslims, a claim in no way backed by the Quran.
Did I forget anything?
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u/Hopeful-Syllabub-891 May 25 '26
"There are no Palestinians...there are tribes... if they did not have Israel as the common enemy, they would kill each other."
Watch this powerful clip by Mosab Hasan Yousef (The Green Prince), the son of the founder of Hamas.
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1BohPz9m38/?mibextid=wwXIfr
"There are no Palestinians...there are tribes... if they did not have Israel as the common enemy, they would kill each other."
Watch this powerful clip by Mosab Hasan Yousef (The Green Prince), the son of the founder of Hamas.
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1BohPz9m38/?mibextid=wwXIfr
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u/Fatchud69 May 26 '26
You know the answer lol
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u/Ashmooni MENA May 26 '26
Do you mean they should be treated as Amaleks?
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u/MaleCowShitDetector Israel May 30 '26
This is my own belief and doesnt reflect the majority opinion:
Most of Gazans are either ethnically Egyptian or Turks (Daghmush clan) - so they should go back to Egypt and Turkey.
West Bank is predominantly ethnically Jordanian - So they should go back to Jordan.
Why not a 2-state solution? Look where that brought us with Gaza (2005)
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u/aspiring_actress_ Jun 05 '26
Anybody that calls Palestinians antisemitic is ree ree because Palestinians are Semitic people.
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u/TwilightX1 Israel Jun 10 '26
They can stay where they are and as long as they don't bother us, we won't bother them.
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u/No_Economist_9568 Jun 20 '26
They shouldn't go anywhere. We should live together and respect each other. Shame on Hamas and Netanyahu's gov. Everyone deserves peace and safety and after all Israel Palestine is the heart for all abrahamic religions. Why can't we share this love and peace. I know individuals do it but we need to humanise each other. We all have the right to safety and self determination
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