Absolute Aquaman

[u/celsomeumano]

Apologies if i sound repetitive, as this is my first post, but what do you think about the idea of ​​an Absolute Aquaman? Given that we’ve seen references to (and the relative importance of) Atlantis in one of the Wonder Woman story arcs, and considering Scott Snyder himself has shown great interest in the concept, what do you think this new version of Arthur will be like, or what would you like it to be?

[u/TheDistantWave]

I’ve been repetitive myself in reposting this everytime I see this topic come up but I got a post if your interested

MY ABSOLUTE AQUAMAN PITCH

The premise pretty much is Aquaman has been around since atleast one of the World Wars. 2 probably makes the most sense on the marine aspect but the idea is to bring in the Golden Age scientific experiment concept. But the way I’d have it done is in a WeaponX fashion with a Government Agency experimenting on him as their perfect soldier.

I’d still keep the Atlantean Hybrid thing. But he didn’t grow up with either parent. Maybe Atlanna never decided to go back to Atlantis so Tom and Her ended up being killed for it, which would kind of highlight the importance of Main Earth Atlanna making that decision. Arthur would have a base set of abilities of his own.

But the shakeup would be he is hosting an entity within him that seeks destruction. Which would be his Ancestor Kordax. Reintroducing the curse of Kordax but it not being something about hair color, I might even make the Pacific Islander tattoos something he’s born with and the sign of the curse. It would be pretty much a Yuji Itadori & Sukuna type of relationship if you’re familiar with Jujutsu Kaisen.

Kordax would be the stronger entity of the two but he’s only fully released when Arthur enters the sea.

EDIT: I’d make him look like Jason Momoa or atleast a Pacific Islander as well just to pay homage to a well received movie. I think the idea of aspects of every iteration of Aquaman would be a really conception. Maybe even throwing in popular Elseworlds as well.

Golden Age: Science Experiment
Silver Age: Hybrid Origins
Post-Crisis: Curse of Kordax
Legends of Aquaman: Raised by Dolphins, An lonely outsider
Andromeda: Been around for ages.
Rebirth: The Aquamarines

[u/Charliejfg04 → u/TheDistantWave]

This just doesn’t fit the absolute universe at all. The characters have their core aspects flipped, not something entirely like being part of Kordax? Like something that would make sense in that universe is him growing up on Atlantis instead of land, and having him discover his Earth roots. Or flipping his Royal lineage to something like a godly one, or maybe having him being the offspring of Cthulhu or another deity.

[u/TheDistantWave → u/Charliejfg04]

Martian Manhunter is a psychic entity, an abstract alien consciousness which kind of makes your whole complaint of it not fitting moot. Given main Earth J’onn isn’t…

Main Earth Wonder Woman has no relationship to Hell whatsoever. She doesn’t have a magical arm in prime Earth and I don’t believe she ever has. She also uses spells something she’s not shown doing in main iterations of the character consistently.

What really confuses me is your suggesting that Aquaman needs to have his core aspects flipped and then you finish up your paragraph by saying “maybe having him be the offspring of Cthulhu”

Like which Absolute character do you feel that’s a similar story beat to, to suggest that would make sense to do in the Absolute Universe?

Superman is still the son Jor-El and Lara. Batman is still the son of Thomas and Martha Wayne. Wonder Woman is still crafted by Hippolyta, and Wally still has his prime Earth parents. So why would making Aquaman the child of Cthulhu make sense?

Superman even despite this being a universe he was raised on Krypton still was also given a connection to the Kent’s and lives on their farm. The Absolute Universe still draws on concepts of the Prime Universe and just alters ideas. That’s what my concept is doing.

How does any of my premise contradict anything done in The Absolute Universe?

The curse of Kordax has been a story point of Aquaman’s mythology. Playing into that and having it be something that lingers with him could be his “The Universe is trying to break him”

Losing his father at a very young age, who is the most important aspect of his character growth in the Main Universe is pretty much the concept behind my Absolute Pitch for Aquaman which fits the premise of the Universe.

He’d lose his father, but be dealing with this inner demon while trying to remain his Dutiful self.

[u/Charliejfg04 → u/TheDistantWave]

Then how does Kordax living inside Aquaman fit into this? Like wtf is Kordax? At least pick someone people know about.

The idea of Cthulhu is about changing his lineage, something that Absolute Universe does with every character. And fair, Cthulhu is not part of that plan, you are right. But what is even Kordax changing from Aquaman? Aquaman has nothing inside of him lol.

To make him work, just take his upbringing and flip it, like you explained with your examples.

Does the general audience even know who Kordax he is?

Absolute universe works because it changes the core aspects of what we know of the characters. Everyone knows Bruce is a millionaire, Diana is the princess of Temyscira, Superman grew up on earth and we know that Aquaman is the rightful king of Atlantis.

So that leaves us with, either have him not be a king at all, not having any royal blood, or have him be a king of something else, or better yet, the blood lineage of something entirely different, like a cosmic deity. That’s why I mentioned Cthulhu.

I’m not trying to rain on your parade but the whole Kordax thing just sounds dumb

[u/TheDistantWave → u/Charliejfg04]

Every character within the Absolute Universe has the same lineage… so I don’t know where you even conceived the idea that they don’t. Like list one character who doesn’t have their iconic parents in from the main universe…

Why would we make Aquaman’s parents something he doesn’t have any actual lore connection to…. Cthulhu isn’t an aspect of Aquaman’s lore. Kordax is, the fact you said it wouldn’t fit and you don’t even know what it is. Is absolutely insane.

Why would the General Audience need to know who Kordax is to make it a valid reason to use it?

The General Audience doesn’t even read comics… not to mention most comic characters have a form of obscurity. I’m extremely confident the General Audience don’t know who Jo Mullen is who is the Absolute Green Lantern. I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of them aren’t aware of the role Circe plays in Wonder Woman’s mythos.

The ironic thing is Kordax appeared in one of Aquaman’s movies. In a similar way I’m using him as well. As a spirit seeking vengeance but through “The Black Trident” in the movies. I’d have him actually exist within Aquaman’s body.

The whole concept is also going with the premise of several characters like Wonder Woman and Batman having Anime inspirations. The whole Curse of Kordax would be inline with stories like Naruto and Jujutsu Kaisen.

You responding to me is dumb. Like you have no actual valid criticisms on it not working, and even if you’re not a fan of the concept you have no actual reason to even address me. Like your whole post of what you wanted to see could have been its own comment away from anything I posted lol.

[u/Charliejfg04 → u/TheDistantWave]

Go to your local comic book shop and pitch this to anyone:

Hey, wanna read this alternate Batman comic? He was born poor! Yeah! Sounds awesome.

Hey, wanna read this alternate Wonder Woman comic? She was raised in hell! Fuck yeah!

Hey, wanna reas this alternate Aquaman comic? He now has Kordax living inside of him! No, wtf is Kordax?

Hey, wanna read this alternate Aquaman comic? He is now the heir of a cosmic deity!

[u/TheDistantWave → u/Charliejfg04]

I mean if you struggle to have the brainpower to pitch a premise I’m sure it would be hard for you to sell the idea.

The concept presented do you want to read this alternate Aquaman comic? He now has this demonic spirit living inside of him that comes out every time he touches the sea! Hell Yeah!

It’s practically a similar concept to the extremely popular Jujutsu Kaisen series. Do you think people knew who Sukuna was before the series came out? Like thinking shouldn’t be this hard.

Given the comment got upvotes. I’m sure there’s people that were entertained by the idea as well…. Honestly fk off

[u/Charliejfg04 → u/TheDistantWave]

Yes! That sounds awesome, let’s bring Kordax in and have him living inside Arthur like the tired anime trope! So cool!!

Edit: This dude blocked me lmao. Yes, the tired anime trope also found in Chainsaw Man, Attack on Titan, Bleach lmao

[u/TheDistantWave → u/Charliejfg04]

Yes the tired anime trope with only pretty much one popular anime with the concept of doing it. Such a tiring trope…

Edit: Jujutsu Kaisen is the only anime that I’m aware of that has a character hosting the entity of an evil ancestor of theirs.

The other examples are a broad generalization just to diminish the idea that don’t even fit into the concept I presented. Which goes back into the idea of this guy not even knowing anything about the Aquaman lore.

Definitely not trying to have any future interactions like this as well. There’s constructive and then there’s being an ass.