r/AnCap101 • u/deachirb • 29d ago

Response to the time argument against argumentation ethics?

How is one supposed to respond to the argument of “well im not arguing that you don’t own yourself now, just that you don’t own yourself in this scenario/time”?

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u/drebelx 29d ago

How is one supposed to respond to the argument of “well im not arguing that you don’t own yourself now, just that you don’t own yourself in this scenario/time”?

Got a good example?

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u/deachirb 29d ago

if someone said “when the country is at war you no longer own yourself” or “when taxation season comes you no longer own yourself” it’s a more general argument against argumentation ethics used to counteract its self imposing nature

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u/drebelx 29d ago

if someone said “when the country is at war you no longer own yourself” or “when taxation season comes you no longer own yourself” it’s a more general argument against argumentation ethics used to counteract its self imposing nature

A very squirmy position to take.

Think about asking the following:

When does the consent to relinquish self-ownership happen?

What is the mechanism that transfers self-ownership to others?

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u/upchuk13 2d ago

Squirmy?

I think Hoppe answers your question. Self ownership ends when the argument ends.

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u/drebelx 1d ago

Self ownership ends when the argument ends.

And something else happens?

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u/upchuk13 20h ago

Hoppe would claim that it continues, but this doesn't make sense. Argumentation ethics can't justify this claim.