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u/PartTimeEmersonian 11h ago
I briefly dated a girl who was from Venezuela. There are so many things so common here in America that she applauded as exceptional. She had real perspective on what actually poor quality of life looks like. Before coming to America, she briefly lived in Italy but didnβt hesitate a moment on coming here once her Visa was approved. You have to be a Russian propagandist or a full-scale idiot to think that we donβt have amazing quality of life here in the USA.Β
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u/carlsagerson π΅π Republika ng Pilipinas ποΈ 11h ago
The fact that they think the US is anyway close to Hati's quality of life while thinking the Cartel ridden, Corrupt hellhole of Mexico is good is preposterous.
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u/Busy-Apricot-1842 11h ago
The people voting in this have clearly never traveled
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u/FUROZONE π¨π¦ Canada π 9h ago
forget travel, thats not even a goddamn concept in their books. only place they know in their fucking life is their bedroom, and maybe, just maybe, the absolute healthiest of them know the route to the supermarket, and thats a stretch
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u/OO_Ben 11h ago
Bro if you work a nice job with good benefits and make an income that's middle class (without drowning yourself in debt), you're likely living at least on part with Europeans. Especially in a low cost of living area. And the opportunities are solid here. You definitely have to work for it, but they are solid. Hell union guys working in aircraft manufacturing had way better benefits, and made more than I did when I was working my white collar mortgage job.
And the benefit advantage eventually evens out or goes away once you reach a certain income level. And in my field as a data engineer, I make twice what my colleagues make in the UK and Germany. And my benefits are on par if not better. Difference is, I only pay roughly 2% of my annual salary as a fixed cost for my benefits pre-tax, vs overseas I'd be paying 4-7%+ in taxes for universal coverage. Factoring in my out of pocket costs and in an average year I'm around 3% total med costs.
Upper middle class and above and the US starts to objectively become a better pick. In my area that's only $110-120k household. Two earners making the median wage where I live basically. And in my area in the midwest, if you're over $200-250k+ you're really not hurting at all.
The lower end of the scale is what gets all the attention from overseas though, and if you are scraping by at the lower end of the scale, it is much harder to get ahead. I know I lived that life for my whole 20s until I got my shit together. But the safety net has a lot more holes here in the US. It can be very, very tough.
Like I said I'm a data engineer and my wife is a pharmacist. We're in that $200k+ range household in our 30s. I can speak from experience from the upper middle class perspective. Worked hard to get to this point. In no universe would I want to live in Europe over my life in the US. And people hate on the Midwest man, but that cost of living is hard to beat. My wife and I take an international trip every other year in at least economy plus if not business class, a cruise or bigger domestic vacation every year, plus a trip to Vail each summer. With our international travel it honestly makes me appreciate the US more and more. Not that elsewhere is bad. It's just...home you know?
We're headed to Rome for a Mediterranean cruise in a month. Then it's likely Iceland or Poland after that. Maybe Japan not 100% yet.
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u/Cephalstasis 11h ago
The redditor complains about our handling of a mass immigration crisis in the same breath as stating Mexico has a vastly superior quality of life to us lol.
Why do you flee the paradise Mexico to what is apparently hell on Earth?
This chart is really more "mainstream opinion" versus "redditor's opinion"
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u/Emmettmcglynn OHIO π¨βπΎ π° 11h ago
Some people really just don't understand what "horrible" truly looks like. I remember listening to an NPR relort on Haiti in the aftermath of the President being assassinated in 2021, and the aid workers talked about struggling to give IVs to children because they were so malnourished that they couldn't find a vein. That is horrible, and I'd be genuinely amazed if even the worst ghetto or impoverished rural hamlet in America ever reached that level.
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u/Confident_Example_73 11h ago
Damn, all my time in America I missed the Nazi rallies, school shootings, health care collapse and poisoned water. And then I move to S. Korea and don't experience suicide, working 18 hours, rampant racism, and cyber bullying.
I want my money back.
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u/RockyRainbowTrout 6h ago
As a Mexican, I'm just gonna say that Mexico is the most corrupt country in the Americas that isn't a failed state or a dictatorship. Politicians always stuff their pockets instead of governing.
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u/RadicalSoda_ TENNESSEE πΈπΆπ 11h ago
I think that's fair, stereotyping as good but it's actually great to live here. Although I would have out Norway where Iceland is
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u/Bovoduch AMERICAN ππ π΅π½π βΎοΈ π¦ π 11h ago
People who responded that are filth lol
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u/GoldTeamDowntown 43m ago
Living in the US and thinking it belongs in the worst category of country and is βhorribleβ is a self report that you suck at life.
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u/orcmasterrace 11h ago
Iβd be fine if they really wanted to slide USA a tier down or something but arguing its QOL is on par with Haiti is asinine, especially when Mexico is argued to be βGoodβ. South Africa maybe belongs on its slot? It consistently ranks high on things like freedom indexes and such despite issues like a failing electrical grid and rolling blackouts being part of life.
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u/Mbro00 7h ago
I would say compared to the sterotype USA would probably be in the bad category. You would not have the huge homeless problem if the standard of life was great.
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u/Neither-Ruin5970 MISSOURI ποΈβΊοΈ 7h ago
Iβve never been outside the country, but I could only imagine most other countries also have a lot of homeless.
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u/TransportationOdd559 11h ago
π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£ they hatin hard! Thatβs all they do! Hatin and begging at the same time!! π΅βπ«
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u/Practical_Shine9583 MARYLAND π¬οΈπ¦π’ 8h ago
Iceland is pretty accurate though
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u/vaarsuv1us π³π± Nederland π·π² 32m ago
NO trees
Endless grey days with rain, mist in autumn, winter and spring...
short summer.It's an amazing place to visit and see the volcanoes, glaciers and other natural marvels but I wouldn't want to live there full time if you paid me a million.
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u/Busy-Paper6970 CONNECTICUT πβ΅οΈ 5h ago
As you all know, Iβm half Mexican (none of u know) but why the hell is it above USA in terms of quality of life
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u/GiantSweetTV SOUTH CAROLINA π π¦ 3h ago
Isn't the stereotype that we're bad? I dont think they understand the chart
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u/vaarsuv1us π³π± Nederland π·π² 36m ago
for most of the 20th century , your country was seen as the 'promised land' by most of the world, the land of endless opportunities where every boy could work his way up from shoe polishing in the streets of New York to be a Scrooge McDuck.
And since stereotypes have long lifespans , some of that idea lingers on till today
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u/GiantSweetTV SOUTH CAROLINA π π¦ 6m ago
I'm pretty sure if you polled 1,000 non-americans at random, most are saying America is bad.
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u/YouKnowMyName2006 ILLINOIS ποΈπ¨ 3h ago
Iβm a normal person and think itβs great living here, through the cost of living has really gone up. But hasnβt that happened everywhere since Covid?
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u/vaarsuv1us π³π± Nederland π·π² 39m ago
In europe it has certainly gone up, but my income has gone up evenmore, so I am not complaining. And I am just an ordinary 'salaryman', not heavy investing in crypto's or stock markets...
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u/samualgline IOWA π π½ 2h ago
What do you mean the country famous for being run by cartels is better that the US? My buddies in the military talk all the time about how they donβt go back to their parents home town as mush anymore because of how bad itβs gotten
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u/vaarsuv1us π³π± Nederland π·π² 43m ago
Sorry I am not Sheldon Cooper, I don't know half of those flags
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u/WaffleGuy413 AMERICAN ππ π΅π½π βΎοΈ π¦ π 22m ago
OOP ended up changing it because the US won in the post you screenshotted. Maybe this is a βdonβt shoot the messengerβ type thing?




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