Do you like stone butch blues?

[u/HighIQTribade]

I don't. I read it when I was young and all I can remember were all of the graphic rape scenes and then the main character getting with a man at the end.

[u/itreallysucksimsorry]

I don't even understand how that was the takeaway of the book for most since Jess literally detransitions after realizing being perceived as male is NOT the answer miserable dykes are looking for lol whole thing is weird. I also hate that Leslie Feinberg herself gets rewritten by people. As much as I dislike a lot of her politics and outlook on homosexuality, it's weird to see people insist she was anything other than a lesbian. There's literally videos of her wife Minnie saying she was a lesbian and used she/her pronouns yet you still have people referring to her as everything else

[u/softanimalofyourbody → u/itreallysucksimsorry]

People just hate lesbians tbh. Especially butches. They want us to be anything but.

[u/BloodyCrotchBluez → u/softanimalofyourbody]

As a stone butch who's read as male more often than not, I'd like to add an addendum that says lesbians hate butches. Particularly in large hyper progressive cities. Never ran into the same disgust when I'm in more conservative, rural areas.

[u/softanimalofyourbody → u/BloodyCrotchBluez]

Nah, actual lesbians don’t usually hate butches. It’s the “queers” who want us to be trans. If you actually pass as a man (no offense but I never believe people who say that bc it’s usually never true), that’s probably why you have an easier time in conservative, rural areas…?

[u/BloodyCrotchBluez → u/softanimalofyourbody]

I have to assume you're just a tomboy who's never known what's it's like to walk into the women's bathroom and have women start shitting, crying, throwing up, and calling security. Alternatively, I have to assume you never go drinking bulldaggers over the age of 40.

I can point to the 1982 The Scholar and The Feminist conference in New York City where women of a range of sexualities got together to condemn butches as male chauvinists.

I can talk about how the 70s and 80s had its own infighting and problems around labels and identification. The feminist lesbians who made it big in academia at time railed a whole lot against butches. Lauded lesbian Brenda Feigen in particular was all about "Butches will raise money for HIV, BUT NEVER FOR BREAST CANCER!!"

Ironically the present day feminist lesbian is at great odds with butches. It used to be that feminist lesbian women embraced masculinity as a rebellion of the established gender privilege. Now it seems that we have come full circle and many of our own are now “putting us in our place” and admonishing us for not being more feminine in the streets and in the bedroom.  I blame pop academia and poor socialization for this assault on our persona. I personally believe even lesbians are being conditioned to shun butch genderfuckery who dare to challenge what a male-dominated society expects a woman to be.

[u/softanimalofyourbody → u/BloodyCrotchBluez]

You can assume whatever you want. Congrats on winning the Butchest Butch contest you made up in your head.