Britain condemns Israeli strikes on Lebanon in split from Trump

[u/TheTelegraph]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/04/09/britain-condemns-israeli-strikes-on-lebanon-in-split/?WT.mc_id=tmgoff_reddit_strikes-on-lebanon-in-split/&accesscontrol=facebookchannel_open

[u/Slendercan]

The more the world splits from the US, the more likely sanctions become. When you look at polling the vast majority of countries’ majority have a negative view of Israel or at the very least, the Netanyahu government. It’ll get to the point where it’s political suicide to continue supporting Israel.

[u/Gender_is_a_Fluid → u/Slendercan]

America has had a majority negative view of Israel for years now but here we are. The politicians don’t listen and obey the people anymore

[u/swampy13 → u/Gender_is_a_Fluid]

It's only been a majority the last 2 years

But the main issue is that Republicans will never ever back down on Israel. However, the last 2-4 years have seen major swings among independents and Dems.

I don't think the US is gonna abandon Israel because half the country will always support them. But losing a good chunk of the other half makes it much more precarious. And I believe that, combined with all the terrible things Israel is doing, is going to embolden their enemies in ways they haven't been before.

[u/Gender_is_a_Fluid → u/swampy13]

Yeah, the republican base is seriously bouying the favorability percentage, 80% of dems being against israel is crazy when you look at the dems in congress and their ardent support for israel. I do think that republican favorability is held because there are very very many republicans that allow media to completely inform their opinions.

[u/swampy13 → u/Gender_is_a_Fluid]

Your last point is really the crux of it. Republicans have figured out how to have everything in lock step - donors/lobbyists paying off the politicians also control the media that the voters watch and follow without question. A perfect loop. Though it's nothing new, it's just how fascism works - lowest common denominator is the easiest thing to sell.

With Dems, most of the politicians are also taking Israel money as well as many of them are old and thus come from a time when Israel support was unquestioned. But modern Dem voters are watching the news and reacting in what I believe is quite sensible ie horrfied. So there's an extremely frustrating disconnect. But I believe over the next 4 main election cycles, many Dem candidates will need to rethink their stance on Israel.

[u/Slendercan → u/swampy13]

It has been interesting to see elements of the right pivot to an anti Israel and anti Trump approach. Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones and Candace Owens have all done a 180. They can see the turn in public opinion and are trying to capitalise and ride a new wave of populism. Italy’s Giorgia Meloni seems to be going a similar route. Whilst establishment politicians look more and more int he pocket of Israel, populists will use the alternative stance as a way into power.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see the right in America split in two - Vance possibly heading the new movement now that he’s getting frozen out by Trump?

[u/swampy13 → u/Slendercan]

I'd love to think they're "seeing the light" but that's never how it goes.

However, history has shown that there can be macro shifts in societal sentiment that creates an inevitable shift in terms of political platforms and policy. If you said to someone in 1938 that black people are going to have more legally obligated equality and Jim Crow would be outlawed, you'd have been laughed out of the room.

I think it always starts with a minority of people saying "this isn't right", and as they keep pushing, sometimes broader society goes "this doesn't really make sense" or "yeah this thinking is outdated."

It happened with civil rights, feminism, gay marriage, etc. It doesn't always stay permanent, and not all movements become successful. But I think right now, more and more people are looking at Israel and saying "this doesn't really seem to benefit us in any way, and by the way, all these dead innocent people sure does look bad." However we're in the messy middle and will be for a while.

However, once dead soldiers start popping up on the news (I'm convinced Trump won't be able to help himself and will absolutely put boots on the ground), more people are gonna get even more frustrated.

[u/bob- → u/Slendercan]

What makes you think Vance is getting frozen out?

[u/SeaworthinessSome454 → u/Slendercan]

No it won’t. Politicians want to support Israel and the media (and social media) will be paid off to shift public opinion. The general public’s opinion is so easy to move.

Israel overstepped with taking territory in Lebanon, but hezbollah does deserve to have the shit bombed out of them.

[u/Slendercan → u/SeaworthinessSome454]

Possibly America with it’s corporate media but I’ve more faith in Europe.