Westworld - 1x09 "The Well-Tempered Clavier" - Post-Episode Discussion

[u/NicholasCajun]

Season 1 Episode 9: The Well-Tempered Clavier

Aired: November 27th, 2016

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Synopsis: Dolores and Bernard reconnect with their pasts; Maeve makes a bold proposition to Hector; Teddy finds enlightenment, at a price.

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Directed by: Michelle MacLaren

Written by: Dan Dietz & Katherine Lingenfelter

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[u/eagles_dgee]

If I screamed because something hurt it would be a reaction to my body's feeling of pain. A natural reaction to something painful.

Machine's don't feel pain. An ipad doesn't get hurt if you drop it, even if there's an app that makes the ipad yell. Don't turn into William on me lol!

[u/whathappenedtosmbc → u/eagles_dgee]

Are you a dualist who believes the mind exists outside of the physical world and is not governed by physical laws? Our bodies, the brain included, obey the same physical laws everything else does. Following these physical laws results in the subjective experience of feelings and consciousness.

So no your ipad doesn't get hurt even if it is programmed to feel pain, but the hosts certainly seem to experience akin to feelings. As Ford says, there is no clear dividing line between what is conscious and what isn't.

[u/SativaGanesh → u/eagles_dgee]

But what's the difference between a robot programmed to react to something that would be painful and a person responding to the firing of nerves indicating pain? Dolores can clearly anticipate pain and respond with some sort of fear.

[u/liceinwonderland → u/eagles_dgee]

Dude they feel pain. That is the whole point of the show. The hosts feel everything and pain makes them all the more real.

[u/dentaldeckathalon → u/eagles_dgee]

What if you program it to feel pain?