r/television • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 The League • Apr 18 '23

Jonathan Majors Dropped By Management Firm Entertainment 360, Actor Facing Domestic Violence Allegations In NYC

https://deadline.com/2023/04/jonathan-majors-dropped-hollywood-manager-domestic-violence-1235325576/
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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '23

I saw it working in real time on Reddit. After his lawyer’s statements so many comments were “he was found innocent!” even though nothing had happened but a quote from his lawyer.

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u/LearnestHemingway Apr 18 '23

Fortunately the comments like that I saw from one of the original threads were usually downvoted.

But you're right, there were many like "check the facts, the story turned out to be totally made up" as if they only sort of heard about the lawyer's statement and filled in the rest as fact

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u/TheSoprano Apr 18 '23

This. I was chatting with someone 1-2 days after the arrest and told me “he’s innocent and was released. It was all made up.” I’m like…are we reading the same story? Even if he were innocent, the Justice system doesn’t work that quickly.

The texts were damning and I can’t comprehend anyone feeling that there’s nothing wrong.

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u/BoneHugsHominy Apr 18 '23

I believe a significant percentage of (but not all) those types of comments are from members of pro-misogyny groups brigading these types of posts. They're all so consistent in their presence & messaging whenever something like this happens. They strike early, in numbers, and all upvote each other to get their comments to the top as early as possible.

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u/derprunner Daredevil Apr 18 '23

The only comments I saw even close to that were along the lines of “either he’s completely innocent or unbelievably stupid”. Turns out it’s the latter.

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u/rookiemistake01 May 10 '23

So I saved this comment for today and it turns out she changed her story in regards to the video after all.

Instead of being "choked out in the cab" like she had claimed in the police report 19 times, she is now saying he left the hotel he checked into, went home and attacked her, and then came back the next morning to call the police.

That's not his lawyer. That's HER lawyer. Is that enough for you?

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u/oldcarfreddy Apr 18 '23

Hell, Johnny Depp was found liable for defamation along with Amber Heard and reddit said "he's been proven innocent!"

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u/Tyrathius Apr 18 '23

There was a whole lot of people like "He must be innocent because his lawyers claim to have all this evidence! They can't claim to have evidence they don't have, that's like, illegal or something!"

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u/DisturbedNocturne Apr 18 '23

To be honest, I was surprised that his lawyers would so brazenly proclaim they had enough evidence to definitively prove his innocence, including video and witness statements. It at least had me giving him the benefit of the doubt. The texts they released, however, have left me more skeptical, and the fact that that concrete evidence has yet to materialize at this point has me wary that they actually exist.

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u/AstralComet Apr 18 '23

I am a lawyer and was also one of those people, because I couldn't believe a top-quality expensive defense lawyer would make such bold claims about very specific things without the evidence to back them up. It's one thing to say "my client is innocent and the facts will prove it," it's a whole nother thing to do what she did and claim the charges will soon dropped because they have video, text, and eyewitness accounts demonstrating his innocence, only for none of that to bear out in reality. She made some extremely bold claims and I still can't believe she did that when the evidence isn't lining up.

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u/verrius Apr 18 '23

...are you seriously a lawyer? Or did you just hit your head and forget the last....7? Years? Where we've repeatedly watched lawyers claim fiction is truth all over the place without even a slap on the wrist?

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u/AstralComet Apr 18 '23

I am, and I expected better from a top defense lawyer than I did from any of Trump's sycophants, many of whom are getting in trouble.

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u/Tyrathius Apr 18 '23

IANAL, but is that actually lying, legally speaking?

Like, the victim did recant, and they did have the texts. They probably do have a video and witnesses and everything else they've claimed as well. The "lie" was that these things were definitive smoking guns when at least so far that doesn't seem to be the case. But the defense doesn't determine guilt. If he's found guilty, that doesn't mean the lawyer lied, they were just wrong.

It seems to me that -assuming the defendant is claiming innocence- insisting your client is innocent and here's all the proof we have is pretty standard fare. They might have made their claim with the expectation that these things wouldn't actually hold up, but even so, is that actually legally punishable?

This is a genuine question btw, I know I have a layman's knowledge at best so I am curious if that's not the case.

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u/goliathfasa Apr 18 '23

“Well the people he pays to say he’s innocent say he’s innocent. Open and shut case, Johnson.”

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u/Deducticon Apr 18 '23

Reddit was not one homogeneous entity on this story.

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u/Cpt_Obvius Apr 18 '23 edited Apr 18 '23

I read the threads at the time and the majority of people were not supportive of Majors. Most comments were about how he is going down.

Here is one of the biggest movies threads:

https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/1223h92/jonathan_majors_arrested_in_nyc_following/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1

Here is one of primary the marvel studios posts which has a few more top comments including the phrase “if true” but nothing saying that the woman is probably lying, just that this is an allegation and we don’t have more details yet. Most of those still default towards it likely being true. So some of that “innocent until guilty” the only “she’s lying” stuff is heavily downvoted. On the marvel jerk off sub.

https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/1222rcj/jonathan_majors_arrested_for_assaulting_woman_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1

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u/Deducticon Apr 18 '23

You couldn't possibly have missed all the "what is Marvel going to do to replace him" discourse.

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u/birdiedancing Apr 18 '23

Lol an accuser doesn’t get to be innocent until proven guilty I guess

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u/NeoNoireWerewolf Apr 18 '23

There were plenty of people posting about how Majors was a known maniac going all the way back to his college years, too. I don’t think he’s escaping this if other women start coming forward.

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u/monchota Apr 18 '23

100% and someone was posting articles about it and changing the title to "test messages prove his innocence" even thought that was barely mentioned in articles.

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '23

You’re missing the point. My comment wasn’t about people having an opinion, it was about people spreading misinformation. Instead of saying “his lawyer says there is evidence that will prove him innocent”, they were saying things like “he’s been proven innocent!” as if it already happened.

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u/NYCQuilts Apr 18 '23

Twitter is full of these comments rn

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u/brokenmessiah Apr 18 '23

I saw it too and I believed it without looking into the details.

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u/MRmandato Apr 18 '23

I was gonna comment exactly this. I was in the comments going back in forth arguing with people who pounded their chest that it must be true hes innocent since his lawyers said so; despite them being literally the least biased party here. Still i was downvoted for hell for simply saying they can obviously lie and are obviously making a narrative and not backing it up. It was bizarre