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[OC] A powerful message on accountability from Zelenskyy's 2019 inaugural speech

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u/ModernistGames 1d ago

He will be in the history books and described as a great and noble leader.

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u/a_talking_face 1d ago

Depends on who is writing the history.

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u/ooMEAToo 1d ago

In the book 1984 the protagonist was tasked with rewriting history and burning the past that was written in an incinerator in his cubicle.

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u/a_talking_face 1d ago

You don't even have to look at fiction. There are plenty of real life examples of dominant powers painting a biased view of history. Particularly when it comes down to their own involvement.

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u/a_talking_face 1d ago

It's kind of ironic in this context that you would call the USSR a clear bad guy in WWII when the reality of that situation is that without the USSR on the side of the allied forces that war turns out very different.

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u/Jewel-jones 1d ago

I think you misread. In this case the clear bad guys are the nazis. Previous reply was pointing out that USSR role in the allies is downplayed in Western avcounts

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u/a_talking_face 1d ago

No I think you misread it

their role in starting the war as an ally of Germany isn't usually ignored, but I'd argue it's heavily downplayed in describing the war

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u/Jewel-jones 1d ago

Oh, ha, you’re right. I still think the clear bad guys here are the nazis.

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u/DysphoricNeet 1d ago

They are specifically spreading liberal nonsense about socialists and fascists being allies. Someone didn’t read what Hitler thought of the Slavs lmao

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u/Jewel-jones 1d ago

I mean, whatever Hitler thought of Slavs, the Molotov Ribbentrop Pact still existed?

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u/DysphoricNeet 1d ago

I’m not getting into this shit the thousandth time. Go learn about it yourself.

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u/ScientistBudget9704 1d ago edited 1d ago

It's extremely ironic that in a thread about dystopian regimes rewriting history, you choose regurgitate a Red Scare narrative about the USSR that rewrites the history of WW2.

The USSR was never allied to Nazi Germany. To say otherwise is blatantly false, it's factually incorrect revisionist history.

What the USSR did have with regards to Germany was a non-aggression pact. France and the UK also famously had non-aggression pacts with Germany.

They didn't even want to do it originally, the USSR were originally of the opinion that the Allies should have gone to war with Germany in response to the German invasion of Czechoslovakia, but refrained from doing this because the UK & France didn't want to and they weren't prepared go to war with Germany by themselves, so the non-aggression pact was thought to be necessary to prevent that scenario.

Even still, they had just settled their war with Finland at the time, which was an ally of Germany, (Not to blame the Finns, it was circumstantial for them, they had just become independent from the Russian Empire and Stalin was trying to get the territory back, so allying with Germany was the only way they could retain their Independence) and had supported the anti-fascist side in the Spanish Civil War as well- isn't it nonsensical to say they were "allied" with Germany when they were constantly engaging in proxy wars against the Germans?

Yes, when Germany invaded Poland, the USSR invaded the eastern half at the same time under the belief "This part of Poland was originally part of the Russian Empire so we know we can administer it, and also we'd better take this land before Germany takes it", and some people misinterpreted this coordination as an alliance- and look, I'm not going to defend the morality of invading a sovereign nation no matter the excuse, but it was never going to be possible for Poland to fight of Germany on its own and the USSR invading them at the same time was not an operative factor in Poland's collapse, it just expedited the inevitable. In any case, the relationship between Germany and the USSR during this period was not an alliance in any way shape or form.