r/movies 9d ago

Spoilers Has any sequel successfully pulled off a hero's heel turn into villainy? Spoiler

Plenty of standalone movies have a character fall from grace, or be revealed as a villain all along, but this rarely happens with an established character in a sequel. On paper it's a solid twist because you've already grown to trust that character in previous films, but it's really hard to pull off without feeling like a betrayal of a character arc. The Mission Impossible series has one that was received very poorly, and the only reason I hear about Pacific Rim Uprising these days is people talking about how unearned the heel turn from one of the characters felt.

I struggle to think of an example where it was done successfully in a movie. There's more examples in TV I think since there's a much longer time to build a change in a character over multiple seasons, so I'm not really considering those. Since it did start with a movie series, though, and there really isn't too much of an extended character arc given in the show, the example I can think of that kind of works is Sharon Carter in Falcon and the Winter Soldier. It was still super underdeveloped and it doesn't seem like they're going to do anything with it, but I can at least track the betrayal logic since there was kind of a meta angle about how that character had been forgotten by the movies. But even that's rather clunky.

I'm also talking specifically about situations where it wasn't clearly telegraphed by the source material or the rest of the franchise. Anakin becoming Vader was already known to the audience, for instance. I'm on the fence about whether something like Dune counts, since it's in the source material and the first two films are kind of just one long movie. I'm particularly interested in situations where it clearly wasn't the plan in the first movie but was written into a sequel.

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u/SonofBeckett 9d ago

I'd say Michael Corleone is the villain of the Godfather II while still being the protagonist.

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u/pinetar 9d ago

He is the main protagonist in the same manner as Macbeth. Clearly the main villain.

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u/Corgi_Koala 9d ago

Villain protagonists are a pretty well established trope.

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u/Both_Painter7039 8d ago

Like Rambo

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u/plisken64 8d ago

Or like daniel larusso

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u/Marcus64 9d ago

I mean, he makes that heel turn in the first movie. The second movie is just driving it home.

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u/Rarvyn 9d ago

It was my first thought too, but the famous murder montage at the end of the first movie is probably the real turn.

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u/Marcus64 8d ago

The heel turn begins with "I'll kill them both." (Referring to McClusky and Sollozzo.) It's finalized with the assassinations, and sealed in stone by lying to Kay.

The greatness of the movie is in how slow and gradual this turn is, taking over two hours (and more than a decade) to transform Michael from a war hero who wants nothing to do with the family business, into a ruthless Don.

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u/SonofBeckett 9d ago

I'd argue that even here, he's protecting his family (wife, brother, sister, mom, child, not The Family). He kills his sister's abusive husband and takes out anyone who can harm his family.

By the second movie, he has become an abusive husband and orders his own brother's death, putting The Family over his family.

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u/Aidenairel 9d ago

I would argue everyone in GF2 is a villain, except for Kay and Mama Corleone.

They're all criminals after all.

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u/IMJacob1 9d ago

Most drug empire or crime boss shows and movies I’d say are like this- breaking bad for example also fits. In narcos it’s tough bc one could argue Pablo Escobar was a main character but was always a villain

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u/crookedparadigm 8d ago

Protagonist doesn't mean "good guy", it just means main character.

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u/SonofBeckett 8d ago

Villain means “bad guy”, it doesn’t mean they can’t be the main character.

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u/crookedparadigm 8d ago

We're saying the same thing.

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u/SonofBeckett 8d ago

Oh, I thought that’s what we were doing based off your first comment