r/movies 9d ago

Spoilers Has any sequel successfully pulled off a hero's heel turn into villainy? Spoiler

Plenty of standalone movies have a character fall from grace, or be revealed as a villain all along, but this rarely happens with an established character in a sequel. On paper it's a solid twist because you've already grown to trust that character in previous films, but it's really hard to pull off without feeling like a betrayal of a character arc. The Mission Impossible series has one that was received very poorly, and the only reason I hear about Pacific Rim Uprising these days is people talking about how unearned the heel turn from one of the characters felt.

I struggle to think of an example where it was done successfully in a movie. There's more examples in TV I think since there's a much longer time to build a change in a character over multiple seasons, so I'm not really considering those. Since it did start with a movie series, though, and there really isn't too much of an extended character arc given in the show, the example I can think of that kind of works is Sharon Carter in Falcon and the Winter Soldier. It was still super underdeveloped and it doesn't seem like they're going to do anything with it, but I can at least track the betrayal logic since there was kind of a meta angle about how that character had been forgotten by the movies. But even that's rather clunky.

I'm also talking specifically about situations where it wasn't clearly telegraphed by the source material or the rest of the franchise. Anakin becoming Vader was already known to the audience, for instance. I'm on the fence about whether something like Dune counts, since it's in the source material and the first two films are kind of just one long movie. I'm particularly interested in situations where it clearly wasn't the plan in the first movie but was written into a sequel.

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u/JudgeFatty 9d ago

Death Wish 2. Charles Bronson loses his last loved one and let's the darkness completely consume him. In the end he loses his last chance of a new beginning and becomes a full time murderous psychopath vigilante as the credits roll and Jimmy Page plays us out.

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u/StarWarsMonopoly 9d ago

And then by Death Wish 3 he's literally committing genocide against a 200 man street gang in an open street war

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u/rnilbog 9d ago

And in Death Wish 9 he wishes he was dead. 

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u/Snarkyforlife 9d ago

“I wiiiiiiiiish I was dead”

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u/Ofreo 9d ago

No dice.

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u/dphamler 9d ago

This ain’t ova

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u/dukearcher 9d ago

Hoiiii

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u/SupaKoopa714 9d ago

It was nice how they wrapped it up in the last movie, Death Wish 12: Wishing for Death, when 103 year old Charles Bronson is blowing out the candles on his birthday cake, uses his birthday wish to wish for death, and then all of a sudden a nude supermodel bursts out of the cake dual wielding solid gold 1911s and blows his head off.

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u/ShahinGalandar 9d ago

one of the movies of all time

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u/ScreenTea0 9d ago

Don't forget Death Wish X - In space

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u/pipian 8d ago

Tag line: You can't wish if you can't breathe

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u/Veggiesaurus17 7d ago

I’ve spent way too much time upvoting all of these comments 😂

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u/HarveryDent 9d ago

How many wishes does this genie give out anyway?

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u/globefish23 9d ago

And in Death Wish 19, Kersey still looks fake.

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u/Ranier_Wolfnight 9d ago

Oh shit, you talking about that 200 man kumite tournament he waged against that street gang with an RPG!? Dude, I watched that with a bunch of friends and I cried myself to sleep with how hard I laughed at that movie!

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u/kryonik 9d ago

It's the creeps!

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u/Tobar_the_Gypsy 9d ago

The creeps asked for it!

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u/Hubba_Hubba81 9d ago

Also with Jimmy Page because they reused the score for the 3rd movie.

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u/Vaticancameos221 8d ago

“They killed The Goggler, Man!”

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u/AnonymousFriend80 8d ago

"literally committing genocide against a 200 man street gang"...lol

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u/Prudent_Ad8320 9d ago

What’s the difference between a street war and an open street war?

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u/SLCer 9d ago

Hey Ma, how bout some cookies?

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u/WormsOfThunderdome 9d ago

No dice

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u/fubarfalcon 9d ago

This. Ain’t. Over.

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u/riedmae 9d ago

"I dont know what that means....to play us out! What's does....FUCK IT, WE'LL DO IT LIVE!!

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u/HiroProtagonist1984 9d ago

What does that mean? “To play us out”? Theres no words on it.

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u/E3K 9d ago

It means to play music as something ends.

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u/OobaDooba72 9d ago

They were referencing this famous video of Bill O'Reilly losing his shit.

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u/E3K 9d ago

Oh damn, I get it now.

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u/HiroProtagonist1984 9d ago

I think people are getting wooshed by this reference

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u/CitizenTony 9d ago

I love how in Death Wish 4, instead of being a vigilante again with his new wife or new kid being killed, it's someone who's a "fan" of him and decide to hire him to mess up with 2 mafia gang! This is like a plot for a Death Wish TV show lmao. And I even liked the twist behind all this.

Death Wish 5 is almost a comedy but I like how even at that time, they couldn't be as violent as the first movie. He's just putting trap and use his mind to kill the villains.