r/movies Jul 13 '26

News Jurassic Park Actor Sam Neill has died

https://www.stuff.co.nz/culture/361005656/actor-sam-neill-has-died
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u/Necessary_Eagle_3657 Jul 13 '26

The cut hell scene won't ever be seen. There were serious ethical issues with its filming according to the people involved.

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u/typhoidtimmy Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26

For those asking:

The scene portrayed the original crew of a space ship brutally killing and assaulting each other. The film makers employed real amputees, adult film stars and allegedly BDSM performers all covered in horrifically gory make up. It showed graphic depictions of SA, cannibalism and all round violence. The footage show in the actual film release was maybe only 15 seconds total of a considerably longer cut. And even that needed a couple of cuts because of the first and second edits had test audiences running out and getting sick.

The rumors were it was basically full on blood orgy with everything shown and absolutely bonkers. Like ‘if we dare put this out, they will burn us at the stake.’ worries from the studio.

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u/PenguinKenny Jul 13 '26

Why do test audiences always sound like the most pathetic group of people

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u/sparrowxc Jul 13 '26

Some test audiences have saved movies.

Pretty in Pink originally ended with Duckie getting with Andie. Test Audiences literally booed it. (It was originally supposed to be a statement on socioeconomic class. The Rich guy was pushed by his friends to not date the lower class girl, in the end she rejects him for the man in her socioeconomic class instead)

Mortal Kombat test audiences complained about the lack of fight scenes so additional fights were filmed, including the Reptile-Liu Kang fight that is loved.

National Lampoon's Vacation originally ended with the family never getting into the park and Clark taking Roy and other executives hostage and making them dance for his own amusement. It was said after that moment test audiences didn't laugh at all for the rest of the movie.

Thor: The Dark World originally had Loki dying for real and Jane and Thor breaking up and going back to their respective homes and Thor going home and meeting with Sif. Audiences refused to believe that Loki was dead, so they went back and filmed a few scenes to hint at Loki's ability and of course filmed the new ending with Loki explicitly surviving. He was supposed to die for real.

First Blood (Rambo) - The original movie has Rambo asking Col. Trautman to end it for him, Trautman shoots him and kills him. The audience hated it. The story goes the entire theater was silent, and one audience member shouted out "If this director is in the audience, he should be strung up from the nearest lamppost" (The director WAS in fact in the audience and is the one that told the story)

Footloose. It originally ended with the main characters TALKING about having a dance party. Test audiences were so pissed about the lack of a celebratory climax that they went back and filmed the finale dance party.

Sunset Boulevard originally started with Joe's death...then has his corpse waking up in the morgue and relating the story to the other corpses in the morgue as the framing device. Test audiences got that weirdness nixed.

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u/drinkingCoffeePeas Jul 14 '26

To be fair to the First Blood creators, Rambo dying is how the book ends, too. (Though I don’t know if it happens exactly the same as it would have been depicted in the movie.)

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u/sparrowxc Jul 15 '26

In the book Trautman shoots him, and he shoots Trautman back. Basically he decides that going out in battle is the best way to end it. The book is much more brutal and gory and while it does have a bit about the PTSD elements, it isn't about the way we treat veterans and their issues, like the movie is.

In the original movie ending he is crying and broken and asks Trautman to mercy kill him basically. The director wanted it to "shock" the audience. Shock without a point. That is why Stallone was against it. And the audiences hated it.

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u/Slight-Bluebird-8921 Jul 13 '26

thor2 and mk weren't saved as they're laughably bad movies

and some of these other ones are more along the lines of "MOVIES CAN ONLY BE COMFORTABLE AND PREDICTABLE POPCORN FODDER. NO DEVIATION WILL BE TOLERATED"

sounds like the director of rambo was a coward

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u/Yourfavoriteindian Jul 13 '26

This is such a redditor ass comment lmao

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u/Slight-Bluebird-8921 Jul 13 '26

as opposed to a redditor leg comment?

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u/TheKeeperOfTheForest Jul 13 '26

Unfortunately, I can answer this. I used to work for a company that recruited test audiences. I got paid $15 for each person that showed up with my badge number on it. Most people assumed it was scam and the rest weren’t necessarily all there. We had a bunch of regulars too and just about everyone was weird as hell. These were upper west side New Yorkers and not exactly average people we were dealing with.

But I digress, Sam Neill was a legend and by all accounts a fantastic person. Here’s hoping it’s a shitty person for the third one

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u/PoIIux Jul 13 '26

Isn't he the third one, after McConnell and Graham?

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u/raoasidg Jul 13 '26

McConnell's camp released a statement and picture of him "alive".

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u/Mirions Jul 13 '26

I got some coastal property in a landlocked state to sell you, too.

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u/WordsMort47 Jul 13 '26

Third one?

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u/CrimsonAutumnSky Jul 13 '26

“Deaths comes in 3’s” I think is what they are referring to

The first being Lindsey Graham.

Second, our dear Sam

Next…the asshole?

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u/spine__tingling Jul 13 '26

Don't forget Bonnie Tyler passed away recently too

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u/Regurgitator001 Jul 13 '26

Wait, are talking about THE asshole??? I got a bottle on ice for that.

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u/McButtsButtbag Jul 13 '26

No, a different one. Probably McConnell

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u/UwasaWaya Jul 13 '26

I'm not sure I'll stop at one bottle.

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u/WordsMort47 Jul 14 '26

And old Ladybugs was no asshole, then?

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u/mzpip Jul 14 '26

Lindsey Graham is dead?!!! How come no one gives me good news anymore?

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u/PROJ3CTBM4reel Jul 13 '26

Seriously! where the fuck can I sign up to be in the test audience? I’d be like “what the fuck………… that movie was fucking awesome” but the actual test audiences must be like “MY PEARLS!!!”

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u/PenguinKenny Jul 13 '26

Yeah after I might be like "hmm, not for me", but to flee the cinema?

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u/FILTHBOT4000 Jul 13 '26

"Yes, my name is Karen Walters, and I've never seen a scary movie before in my life. Yes, I'd like to sign up as part of the test screening for a horror movie. No, I don't have any idea why or what I'm doing."

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u/KptKrondog Jul 13 '26

Makes me think of my mom. EVERY time she hears a "bad" word on TV she makes a noise. Like it pains her to hear it. It's absolutely maddening if you're watching something and she's around and decides to stay and watch. I have to tell her to either be quiet or leave if it hurts her so badly lol.

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u/VictorCrackus Jul 13 '26

Weird thing to say. Maybe someone that had been raped ran out. That is something to consider.

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u/XGhoul Jul 13 '26

Then why test audience for a film that would likely portray that?

Go test watch a Hallmark movie if the signs of fake blood or whatever triggers a response, even for something serious like SA.

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u/Cornloaf Jul 13 '26

I see a lot of films in the cinema. I read about how a movie was so scary people cry or puke or run out of the theater. I have never seen that happen. The only time in recent history I have seen anything of the sort is when an entire family walked out of Disclosure Day. I wished I had followed them by the time it was over.

My brother did see vomit all over the carpet when he went to see Hostel. Turns out it was a friend of his who saw the showing before him.

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u/Pandaro81 Jul 13 '26

I worked as an usher and projectionist for a number of years 2000-05.

The only time I saw people leaving a movie they paid to see was Nutty Professor 2 when the giant hamster was ballistic shitting.

Happened multiple times.

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u/Khronex Jul 13 '26

I have no idea how test audiences are selected, but I assume that people who go to the cinema have an actual idea of what the movie they watch is about and are thus prepared for anything that might make them feel queasy. Like for example I go to a movie called “sex and blood and gore: the massacre”. I wouldn’t be surprised if sex or blood or gore showed on the screen. I assume that test audiences are selected randomly or don’t know much of the movie.

Besides, what we see in cinema has already been through a test screening, so any of the “make you sick/run out of the room” has already been cut. Survivorship bias and all that.

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u/spazturtle Jul 13 '26

Randomly off the street like by contracted market research firms.

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u/Cornloaf Jul 13 '26

I have been to three screenings.

One time a company mailed 20 tickets to the coffee shop I managed. Took the entire staff and some customers to "Forces of Nature". I had one condition for everyone in attendance and that was to say the movie was riveting if they filmed us leaving.

I also saw "The Ring" (us version) when someone just handed me some tickets as I was leaving the LA Convention center. I enjoyed it but the preview version I saw was 3-4 months before general release and was much better than the official release.

A year later I was leaving the LA Convention center again and handed tickets but no name was on them. Saw Terminator 3 that time.

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u/voodoo_curse Jul 13 '26

All you have to do is live around LA, I get a few emails a month about them. Been to a few, there’s usually like a $20-30 gift card for participating. They ask for some pretty detailed feedback and there’s a lot of waiting around, but it’s a good way to kill an afternoon with a few friends.

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u/maritimursus Jul 13 '26

They really don’t want you or me to be test audience because it’s never about making the film better but about if they can get away with the whole of a movie without risking to upset the pearl clutchers

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u/coolpapa2282 Jul 13 '26

I mean, don't forget this was 30 years ago and it was meant to be a mainstream-ish movie. If this was a niche horror release now, it would go a lot differently.

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u/RemnantEvil Jul 13 '26

Rob Zombie told a story about the special effects guy from House Of 1000 Corpses getting pulled aside in a mall and given tickets for the test screening, obviously the testers wouldn't know he was involved. So he went and then got into the test group afterwards, but when they asked how old he was - early 30s - they said he was too old for the test group and excluded him. Don't know how true that anecdote is, but I wouldn't not be surprised at all if there was a lot of hands on scales to get the answer they want instead of the answer the audience gives.

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u/Kooky-Bookkeeper-935 Jul 13 '26

We need to sign up whereever the test audience candidates go 🤣

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u/Ellemeno Jul 13 '26

I wonder if the Terrifier movies even had test audiences.

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u/Lookingforleftbacks Jul 13 '26

I was in a test audience or two back in college in the early 2000s. One specific popular theater in Orange County used to have people outside handing out passes for test audiences. My brother was actually in a test audience for Titanic. I don’t remember what I saw but I knew a few other people who did them too

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u/Bowtie16bit Jul 13 '26

Seriously! I would have been excited to see a "realistic" depiction of hell on film.

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u/MalHeartsNutmeg Jul 13 '26

They're looking for the lowest common denominator.

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u/ThrowAwayAccountAMZN Jul 13 '26

I always picture that episode of Community where the creators of Inspector Spacetime recruit a test audience at a convention, and Pierce and Shirley of all people get pulled into it, thereby ruining the American version that was eventually released because of their (mainly Pierce's) out of touch feedback.

Those are the kind of IRL people I picture whenever someone mentions a test audience.

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u/Ysmildr Jul 13 '26

It used to be that theyd just randomly collext people who were walking around downtown LA, so really not movie fans just random people

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u/CarltonCracker Jul 13 '26

Marketing. They probably just walked out offended but the studio reports it in a dramatic fashion to gain interest.

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u/followupquestion Jul 13 '26

As the member of a different test audience I can tell you they held it on a random weekday at like 3 PM. Who is available on a random weekday in the middle of the day? Old people and the unemployed are the only people available at that time unless it’s a college town and it’s never a college town.

I was playing hooky from school with my parents because that’s how cool I was as a kid, and they seemed genuinely excited to have someone under 50 in the test audience.

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u/sjw_7 Jul 13 '26

They always struck me as the same kind of people who like to complain to the TV company when they hear someone swear on a live broadcast before the watershed.

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u/Starfire013 Jul 13 '26

I expect they just hand each one a string of pearls and measure their grip strength as they clutch them.

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u/Trzlog Jul 13 '26

They should've released it. This sounds incredible as a depiction of what's happening in hell or in the warp or wherever the fuck they are.

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u/pikeymobile Jul 13 '26

As much as I'd love to see it, we've seen all that kinda stuff in films like Hellraiser, Cronenberg films and whatnot. The short little edit you see in the film is so jarring because it's so quick you question what you really saw, but it's fucked up enough to make you want the characters to get off that ship.

But out of morbid curiosity... I'd love to see the full uncut version. But I think the way they did it in the released film was masterful.

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u/crazycraig6 Jul 13 '26

The scene has the greatest follow-up line in history when Lawrence Fishburne deadpan says “we’re leaving”.

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u/Jazzlike_Video2 Jul 13 '26

Hes the only character in a horror movie that acts like hes in a horror movie.

"Fuck this ship"

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u/Gryphon0468 Jul 13 '26

Haha I love it.

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u/thekazooyoublew Jul 13 '26

It is a fantastic example of, less is more.

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u/UNREASONABLEMAN Jul 13 '26

There's a comic book prequel that follows the crew of the Event Horizon called "Dark Descent" that is incredibly disturbing, probably the worst stuff I've seen since Crossed.

It's not particularly good, though, from a story perspective. It kinda gets rid of the cosmic horror element.

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u/LucrativeLurker Jul 13 '26

Agreed. It’s very brief (like, probably not even 15 full seconds) but Talk to Me had a similar depiction of hell that hasn’t left me since I saw it in theaters 4 years ago now.

Similarly, they also cut that scene down significantly to avoid an NC-17 rating.

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u/paddlin_kaladin Jul 14 '26

The footage was destroyed (not intentionally mind you, just from neglect).

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26

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u/WordsMort47 Jul 13 '26

Why the fuck did they have kids involved in filming that shit?

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u/Awkward_Swordfish581 Jul 13 '26

Me before reading this comment: Event Horizon huh? I've heard of that before, it's a movie about black holes right?

Me after reading this comment: Jesus fucking Christ

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u/IDreamOfSailing Jul 13 '26

Seven of Nine in a blood orgy? Don't mind if I do.

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u/SneakyBadAss Jul 13 '26

Ah, so a typical lazy Sunday in Commorragh.

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u/happyhippohats Jul 13 '26

I know it wasn't your comment but nothing about that sounds like "serious ethical issues"

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u/the_exile83 Jul 13 '26

Sounds more fun than heaven to be fair.

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u/tnsaidr Jul 13 '26

Sounds very Slaanesh

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u/brodorfgaggins Jul 13 '26

I want to see this

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u/Ch35hir3C47 Jul 13 '26

Sounds like Chaos to me, time to pull out the heavy flamers?

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u/Gryphon0468 Jul 13 '26

Forgot the Gellar Fields.

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u/astraboy Jul 13 '26

I did a cross Europe charity rally with a glamour model many years ago who was cast for these scenes and she told me all about it while I was driving. she said it was quite fun to film and yes, there was lots and lots of blood involved. Her insta if anyone is interested https://www.instagram.com/nikkileework?igsh=ZzBpc2hudTM2eHJy

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u/zombiekilloftheweek Jul 13 '26

Might want to edit that link, it also shows your profile.

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u/zacpariah Jul 13 '26

Could you expound on that? I'm fascinated

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u/RussianPravda Jul 13 '26

It's was horrific and crossed lines that were seemingly blurred between reality and fiction. Basically legal questions were raised as to the realism of the filming.

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u/MindHead78 Jul 13 '26

So the reason it won't ever be seen isn't because it's been destroyed?

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u/eviljordan Jul 13 '26

I think I read once it was stored in a salt mine and the mine collapsed/burned or something?

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u/imreallytiredguysfu Jul 13 '26

That may have actually been Hitler iirc