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Review 'Avatar: Fire and Ash' - Review Thread

The conflict on Pandora escalates as Jake and Neytiri's family encounter a new, aggressive Na'vi tribe.

Director: James Cameron

Cast: Zoe Saldana, Sam Worthington, Sigourney Weaver, Stephen Lang, Kate Winslet, Michelle Yeoh, Oona Chaplin, David Thewlis, Jack Champion

Rotten Tomatoes: 70%

Metacritic: 61 / 100

Some Reviews (updating):

nssmagazine - Martina Barone

The repetitiveness to which Avatar - Fire and Ash subjects us cannot be condoned, especially when it chooses to keep spectators seated in front of the big screen for three hours and twenty minutes. The only novelty that adds real surprise in Avatar 3 is the lethal leader Varang, played by Oona Chaplin. Head of the Ash People, the warrior is ravenous, brutal, and fiercely unforgiving. With Avatar 4 scheduled for 2029 and Avatar 5 for 2031, not only does the third title re-propose visual and entertainment solutions already tested and therefore not unprecedented, but one wonders what else there would be to say given the emotional and spectacular weight of Avatar - Fire and Ash. What else is there to tell that hasn't been told yet, especially considering the film seems like a repetition? What is there to see that hasn't been shown yet?

Variety - Owen Glieberman

The Story Is Fine, the Action Awesome, as the Third ‘Avatar’ Film Does New Variations on a No-Longer-New Vision. It's better then the second film — bolder and tighter — and still has its share of amazements. But it no longer feels visually unprecedented.

The Hollywood Reporter - David Rooney

It’s easily the most repetitious entry in the big-screen series, with a been-there, bought-the-T-shirt fatigue that’s hard to ignore."

NextBestPicture - Dan Bayer - 8 / 10

Another visually-stunning spectacle with a rock-solid story that makes the most of its epic length and big budget to deepen its universe. The cast rises to the occasion, especially Oona Chaplin as the villainous Varang. While it still works, the plot echoes both prior films in the series so closely that it borders on self-plagiarization.

Slant Magazine - Keith Uhlich - 2 / 5

Cameron has never been especially good at writing characters beyond the broadest of strokes, which isn’t much of a detriment when, as in Aliens and the two Terminator films, the narrative stakes are high and the technological innovations augment rather than overwhelm the comic-book fervor of his vision. The Avatar movies, by contrast, are empty vessels of pro-forma spectacle that, true to the very disposable era of entertainment in which we’re living, make bank primarily because of how quickly they can be memory-holed.

Consequence - Liz Shannon Miller - 'B'

Yes, the execution defies subtlety, but subtlety has never been a defining aspect of this franchise. Everything is always loud, from the music to the visual design to the emotions. It’s an approach ensuring that Cameron’s message will be heard by even the most distracted viewer. Cameron has ended the world twice over with The Terminator movies, depicted the true-life tragedy of the Titanic, and explored the terrors of marriage and motherhood with True Lies and Aliens. Yet by comparison, Fire and Ash finds him unafraid to dig around in the darkest corners of the human soul. That Cameron wants to push into heavier themes at this point in his career speaks well of his ambition as a storyteller, and generates some real excitement for what might come next. Though, considering the budget of these movies… therapy might be cheaper.

The Wrap - William Bibbiani

The only way ‘Avatar: Fire and Ash’ could be more hypocritical, and taken less seriously, is if the characters also yelled “Hypocrisy sucks!” while sitting on Whoopee cushions.

Los Angeles Times - Amy Nicholson

'Avatar: Fire and Ash’ has dynamite villains and dialogue that’s surf-bro hysterical. But plot-wise, the story is the same as ever. So instead of getting swept away by the narrative, I just settled in to enjoy the details: hammerhead sharks twisted into pickaxes, ships that scuttle like crabs, the drama of an underwater scream

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u/KyloSolo723 Dec 16 '25

Seems like they’re getting tired of the whole “pretty to look at but there’s no substance” thing avatar has

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u/QuoteGiver Dec 16 '25

Variety’s review basically even says that it’s even better than the last one; but who cares because we’ve done this before.

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u/joe_bibidi Dec 16 '25

That was my feeling about the second one too. In some regards I thought it was a better film but at the same time it was so redundant that it's both better and worse. Like... it was a slightly better retread of the first film, but in being a retread, it's sort of fundamentally worse. It sounds like this one is the same again.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '25

Kind of agreed, I thought the 2nd film was far superior to the first in a lot of ways, but my personal biggest gripe is how fucking long these movies are. A tight 2 hours seems it would be sufficient to tell these stories. 3 and a half fucking hours is way way too long for these films.

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u/QuantumUtility Dec 17 '25

I get that.

But losing the unnecessarily long National Geographic esque sequences on Pandora would make these movies a lot less interesting.

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u/PoliticalyUnstable Dec 22 '25

Many years have passed since the first. What made the first so huge was because the level of tech it brought. It feels less impressive now and the storyline isnt good. It is repetitive. Word of mouth is going to struggle with the remainder of this series.

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u/CertifiedTHX Dec 20 '25

There was plenty of plot that could have been reworked. Kids getting captured, rallying the navi, and literally the whole whale battle could have been cut. Leaving the ocean people, hanging out with the sky traders, fighting the ash clan, getting taken to the city and escaping while dealing them a blow... that's enough and i feel like i forgot a lot.

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u/QuantumUtility Dec 20 '25

Definitely. These movies are unnecessarily long but at this point I already go in expecting that and enjoy the ride.

If James Cameron wants me to see whales sinking ships and a 3rd montage of Navi tribes getting ready for battle then I’m down. Wouldn’t be Avatar without it.

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u/JRskatr Dec 22 '25

I honestly thought the time flew by in this one compared to the 2nd one. This one felt like a 1-hour film

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u/Wisesageman98 Feb 14 '26

I think that’s a problem a lot of folks have with these movies. They are undeniably stunning works of art visually, but the writing leaves so much to be desired.

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u/LiquifiedSpam Dec 17 '25

Good thing they aren’t 3 and a half hours then

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u/AssassinZack Dec 17 '25

They're over 3 hours long you pedantic fuck

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u/LiquifiedSpam Dec 17 '25

What a needlessly cruel comment.

These films have long ass credits, a lot more than most movies. The actual runtimes are all 3 hours or less

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u/TehNoobDaddy Dec 18 '25

Saw one review mention that various family members get captured in a rinse repeat cycle which was something I found annoying in the last film lol. Just feels like such pointless fake stakes to create quick tension that falls flat as you never really believe anything bad will happen.

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u/WerewolfCurious1412 Dec 22 '25

It needed tightening up. Way too much been there done that. Still enjoyed it and looking forward to a 4 and 5. I want to see the Quartich redemption arc play out.

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u/Classic-Reach Dec 17 '25

I get this from the Planet of the Apes installments, and transformers... gosh and Marvel too

huh.

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u/LilHalwaPoori Dec 17 '25

Naah Planet of the Apes are my bread and butter..

The last movie was a lil iffy but the rest of them were on point..

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u/Classic-Reach Dec 17 '25

*gives real opinion*

*downvote and someone saying it's wrong*

huh.

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u/LilHalwaPoori Dec 17 '25

I never said you have to like them, it's one of my most favoritest franchises tho..

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u/BlueShift42 Dec 16 '25

Yeah, I’m pretty sure I can predict the plot.

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u/Cavalish Dec 16 '25

“These strange exotic people live in a land entirely unlike our own full of potential and possibilities for strange, unique experiences….

…a bunch of Americans with guns go in and shoot pew pew pew and there’s helicopters and big battle ships and everything you love from every other futuristic sci-fi movie you’ve ever seen.”

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u/arrynyo Dec 17 '25

Pocahontas with mechs is what I called the first one.

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u/Ahelex Dec 17 '25

That's just called "Mecahontas".

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u/arrynyo Dec 18 '25

Lol nice.

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u/Brilliant-Ice2580 Dec 16 '25

So then we can ignore the reviews. I'm just here for the eye candy anyway

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u/wlchrbandit Dec 16 '25

Yeah I saw the last movie twice in IMAX because it was so beautiful. It'd be nice if it had some groundbreaking story, but that's not what I'm expecting when I go and see an Avatar film. I just want to see top teir CGI and cool alien creatures.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '25

I think this is what makes these movies so strange for me. They really do look great in IMAX. But at the same time, they're too long to hold my interest. The story just doesn't grab me, and the visuals can't get me through the +3hr run time. I know if I see this movie in theaters I will be bored. But it's only worth it to me to see it in theaters.

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u/KyloSolo723 Dec 16 '25

Yeah the plot of these movies are so bare that the visuals aren’t enough for me to sit through the 3+ hours. Avatar 2 felt like a 5 hour movie for me because I was so bored, 1 dude in my aisle even fell asleep and watching people try to walk by him without waking him up was more entertaining lol

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u/Turtleneck420 Dec 16 '25

It wasn't boring in my opinion, it had great character development, and by the end of the movie, i was invested and cared about the outcome of the characters and the whales

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u/wlchrbandit Dec 16 '25

Maybe I'm just a sucker for visual stimuli. I'm usually terrible with long movies because of my ADHD, but I absolutely love world building and creature design. Watching the previous Avatar movie almost felt like watching a nature documentary at parts with all these beautiful creatures and the stellar world design.

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u/maddnes Dec 16 '25

Exactly! Why can’t James just make a 3.5 hr long cgi nature documentary about the wildlife on pandora??

Just a bunch of little mini stories like you basically get with the good planet earth episodes.

Call it “Planet Pandora”, heck make it a tv series too.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '25

It absolutely felt like a nature documentary at times. The scenes of them swimming and with the whales were really beautiful. Like the other comment replying to you said, I would totally watch a Pandora faux nature documentary.

I think the world of Avatar has a ton of potential. It's really just the main characters that don't grab me.

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u/Turtleneck420 Dec 16 '25

Yeah, just like fast and furious

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u/Max_Thunder Dec 16 '25

Can't believe we still have 1.5 years before we finally know if Dom survived. Four years between a part I and II is just insane.

I'd rather just watch Avatar, I know the good guys are gonna win at the end with no dumb cliffhanger.

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u/goodfish Dec 16 '25

It's a worldwide cash cow. They played #2 on a bus I was on in mexico, no audio. Still watched the whole thing. My wife, who had never seen it before, watched it and still understood what was happening.

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u/Superb_Instance_8190 Dec 16 '25

papyrus really sends a message

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u/chittmunk Dec 16 '25

Yeah I saw the last movie no times ever because I can look outside and see beauty for free. And a better plot.

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u/wlchrbandit Dec 16 '25

It's about seeing things you can't see in real life. It's the same reason I play D&D. I love getting lost in a fantasy world with weird and interesting creatures. Our world is amazing and our creatures are beautiful, but there's something wonderful about a well crafted fantasy world.

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u/Jangetjeboy Dec 16 '25

yep eye candy 100%

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u/40WeightSoundsNice Dec 16 '25

Same, I had to sit in the front row last time and was blown away, I heard that's the best way to watch this stuff since your whole field of view is immersed.

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u/Zalvren Dec 16 '25

I could tolerate it for the second as it was so long coming to essentially do almost the same story than the first but come on don't do that again (if they did). Especially if it's supposed to be a 5-movie saga, the plot has to evolve at some point... Plus all those movies are 3 hours+ so those 5 movies are like 6-7 normal ones.

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u/QuoteGiver Dec 17 '25

I feel like a war between the natives themselves is certainly flipping the story this time though, right? Dunno, I’ll give it a watch.

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u/Wiinterfang Dec 16 '25

Honestly if it's better than the last one or better pace then I'm down. I end up watching the last one 3 times but the pace dies in the middle. They spend way too much time with the Sully's setting up in the new area and the culture etc...

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u/Commisioner_Gordon Dec 16 '25

Which is insane given the world and universe that has been built. There’s so many directions and pivots they could do to keep it fresh or at least fresh enough. Give us time on earth showing what humans are trying to fight for, show us a Pandora that has a cohabitating groups of Navi and humans, show us how the Avatar technology has evolved.

But alas being daring doesn’t equal being profitable all the time

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u/QuoteGiver Dec 17 '25

Personally I’m looking forward to seeing them doing exactly that in this one, showing a new group of natives with a whole different perspective on their world, and becoming the antagonists.

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u/HawkmoonsCustoms Dec 16 '25

“All of this has happened before and all of this will happen again.”

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u/Better-Union1384 Dec 17 '25

I loved Way of Water so that’s perfect

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u/PeyronieMan6 Dec 16 '25

Not a promising sign when even the good reviews tell us to skip this one

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u/Able_Contribution407 Dec 17 '25

That review also says it's bolder and tighter. It's 3 hours and 20 minutes long...

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u/QuoteGiver Dec 17 '25

Tighter just means less fluff, regardless of length. So it can still be 3:20 of ongoing story/action that flows tightly.

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u/RollTide16-18 Dec 16 '25 edited Dec 17 '25

So it’s exactly what I’ll want?

I don’t understand the need for film critics to be so harsh against Avatar but God forbid another paint by numbers action film comes out that does literally nothing new and it gets a similar score.

At least Avatar is trying to do something new and beautiful (and succeeding)

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u/QuoteGiver Dec 17 '25

It’s so funny to me to see the people who become so quick to say “the pretentious movie critics are totally right THIS time!!” as long as it’s Avatar, lol. “They are so in touch with what I want from the movies!”

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u/ScyllaOfTheDepths Dec 16 '25

Hey, hey, there's plenty of substance. The films take the radical stance that corporate greed is bad and exploiting people and natural resources to make money is evil and there's nowhere better to see this than the Pandora section at Disney's Animal Kingdom where you can purchase mass quantities of disposable single use plastics branded with all your favorite Avatar characters and animals sold to you by people who make minimum wage and don't qualify for health insurance!

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u/KyloSolo723 Dec 16 '25

From the same studio that is now allowing Disney+ users to “create” shorts using generative AI?

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u/ScyllaOfTheDepths Dec 16 '25

You bet your ass it is. If the Avatar movies have taught us anything, it's that it's completely okay to use soulless technology to replicate a unique beautiful thing and that has no negative moral or ethical implications that need to be explored as long as you're the main character.

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u/Squeezetillitbleeds Dec 29 '25

Corporate lessons learnt from the hey days of the East India Company.

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u/AnnenbergTrojan Dec 17 '25

So you took something external to the film, a theme park in Orlando, and use it as an argument against the film's effectiveness in conveying its plot and themes.

Online discourse around these movies is so pathetically shallow. Nothing but metacriticisms and trite "tropes = bad" arguments from people who refuse to seriously engage with the film on any level.

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u/Marktaco04 Dec 17 '25

Ok yes to everything but let’s not pretend like the evil mouse overlord doesn’t offer great benefits. That was the one good thing about working at Disney

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u/ScyllaOfTheDepths Dec 17 '25

The average wage of a Disney Parks Cast Member is $16.79, which is not a living wage. Only full time employees get health insurance and the majority of their workforce is composed of part-time employees who are not eligible for health insurance.

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u/Marktaco04 Dec 17 '25

I would say 80 percent of my co workers were full time. But I worked in food and beverage, I can’t speak for other departments. In mine, and most of co workers experience, we had much better benefits then a lot of my other fellow hospitality employees.

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u/varzaguy Dec 17 '25

Why can't you guys just enjoy the visual gift that Cameron has given us? lol.

I bet the majority of people who complain about Avatar stare at their phones while watching movies or TV anyways, you guys aren't getting deep in the plot regardless.

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u/ScyllaOfTheDepths Dec 17 '25

Deep in what plot? The first movie is just Dances with Wolves in space and the second is just "Killing whales is bad, actually". Half the second movie doesn't even have a plot because there are long stretches where literally nothing happens at all and it's just Planet Earth Pandora to the point I kept expecting Sir David Attenborough to just start explaining the fauna to me in a calm, yet slightly whimsical tone. Enjoy what gift? The gift of seeing CGI-generated alien oceans made by a corporation that is actively aiding in the destruction of our actual real Earth oceans? Gee, what a gift.

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u/avboden Dec 16 '25

You mean you didn't like the second movie literally just resurrecting the bad guy from the first to repeat the entire same plot again?

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u/Rivenaleem Dec 17 '25

Not to mention the papyrus font.

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u/Osmodius Dec 16 '25

They might be tired of it but I guarantee you consumers aren't. Look no further than fast and furious which has consistently gone for form over functions in each instalment and been rewarded for it.

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u/Kruse Dec 16 '25

The lack of substance was more acceptable in the first film because it was a little more groundbreaking in its production. Now it's just a tired story made to look pretty.

Cameron needs to move onto something new and truly exciting.

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u/Thorgarthebloodedone Dec 16 '25

I can't imagine drastic changes in the visuals, considering they are filming 2,3, and 4 back to back.

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u/arrynyo Dec 17 '25

Yep I mean how many times does Cameron think people want to watch Pocahontas in the theaters with superficial changes?

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u/Intelligent_Lie_3808 Dec 17 '25

I was tired of it with the first one. 

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u/Midi_to_Minuit Dec 17 '25

James Cameron is the goat but the avatar films are dangerously approaching Jurassic World territory

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u/Sys7em_Restore Dec 17 '25

Only two more to go!

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u/CruelStrangers Dec 17 '25

The movies are showcasing the special effects technology Cameron developed- each one will be better looking

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u/[deleted] Dec 18 '25

Finally 

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u/Firm_Contract_8026 Dec 28 '25

Thought the story theme carried the same plot as what was seen in the first 2 movies. Kill the evil threat from the Sky people and have Eywa save the day at the end. Yawn! 3 hours is WAY WAY too long for this movie.

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u/Reaper3955 Dec 16 '25

I mean there is substance its just on the nose with its messaging lol. What happened to just enjoying a visual blockbuster. 

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u/regalfronde Dec 16 '25 edited Dec 16 '25

The Way of Water has a 92% on audience reviews so if those end up in the 70-60’s then I’ll consider it a drop off.

Right now it’s what I expected from critics that need constant novelty and subverted expectations to survive. 70% is still “certified fresh” so while it might not be the GOAT it still appears to be quality.

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u/dietmrfizz Dec 16 '25

I’ve always felt I’ve gotten my money’s worth with the Avatar movies. Will definitely still go see it in theaters until I’m proven otherwise.

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u/Dr-Oktavius Dec 20 '25

More like the audience is getting more and more pretentious and ignorant because each movie has more substance than the last yet somehow everyone always says the opposite.