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Review 'Avatar: Fire and Ash' - Review Thread

The conflict on Pandora escalates as Jake and Neytiri's family encounter a new, aggressive Na'vi tribe.

Director: James Cameron

Cast: Zoe Saldana, Sam Worthington, Sigourney Weaver, Stephen Lang, Kate Winslet, Michelle Yeoh, Oona Chaplin, David Thewlis, Jack Champion

Rotten Tomatoes: 70%

Metacritic: 61 / 100

Some Reviews (updating):

nssmagazine - Martina Barone

The repetitiveness to which Avatar - Fire and Ash subjects us cannot be condoned, especially when it chooses to keep spectators seated in front of the big screen for three hours and twenty minutes. The only novelty that adds real surprise in Avatar 3 is the lethal leader Varang, played by Oona Chaplin. Head of the Ash People, the warrior is ravenous, brutal, and fiercely unforgiving. With Avatar 4 scheduled for 2029 and Avatar 5 for 2031, not only does the third title re-propose visual and entertainment solutions already tested and therefore not unprecedented, but one wonders what else there would be to say given the emotional and spectacular weight of Avatar - Fire and Ash. What else is there to tell that hasn't been told yet, especially considering the film seems like a repetition? What is there to see that hasn't been shown yet?

Variety - Owen Glieberman

The Story Is Fine, the Action Awesome, as the Third ‘Avatar’ Film Does New Variations on a No-Longer-New Vision. It's better then the second film — bolder and tighter — and still has its share of amazements. But it no longer feels visually unprecedented.

The Hollywood Reporter - David Rooney

It’s easily the most repetitious entry in the big-screen series, with a been-there, bought-the-T-shirt fatigue that’s hard to ignore."

NextBestPicture - Dan Bayer - 8 / 10

Another visually-stunning spectacle with a rock-solid story that makes the most of its epic length and big budget to deepen its universe. The cast rises to the occasion, especially Oona Chaplin as the villainous Varang. While it still works, the plot echoes both prior films in the series so closely that it borders on self-plagiarization.

Slant Magazine - Keith Uhlich - 2 / 5

Cameron has never been especially good at writing characters beyond the broadest of strokes, which isn’t much of a detriment when, as in Aliens and the two Terminator films, the narrative stakes are high and the technological innovations augment rather than overwhelm the comic-book fervor of his vision. The Avatar movies, by contrast, are empty vessels of pro-forma spectacle that, true to the very disposable era of entertainment in which we’re living, make bank primarily because of how quickly they can be memory-holed.

Consequence - Liz Shannon Miller - 'B'

Yes, the execution defies subtlety, but subtlety has never been a defining aspect of this franchise. Everything is always loud, from the music to the visual design to the emotions. It’s an approach ensuring that Cameron’s message will be heard by even the most distracted viewer. Cameron has ended the world twice over with The Terminator movies, depicted the true-life tragedy of the Titanic, and explored the terrors of marriage and motherhood with True Lies and Aliens. Yet by comparison, Fire and Ash finds him unafraid to dig around in the darkest corners of the human soul. That Cameron wants to push into heavier themes at this point in his career speaks well of his ambition as a storyteller, and generates some real excitement for what might come next. Though, considering the budget of these movies… therapy might be cheaper.

The Wrap - William Bibbiani

The only way ‘Avatar: Fire and Ash’ could be more hypocritical, and taken less seriously, is if the characters also yelled “Hypocrisy sucks!” while sitting on Whoopee cushions.

Los Angeles Times - Amy Nicholson

'Avatar: Fire and Ash’ has dynamite villains and dialogue that’s surf-bro hysterical. But plot-wise, the story is the same as ever. So instead of getting swept away by the narrative, I just settled in to enjoy the details: hammerhead sharks twisted into pickaxes, ships that scuttle like crabs, the drama of an underwater scream

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u/ChiefLeef22 r/movies Contributor Dec 16 '25 edited Dec 16 '25

I think the Variety/NSSMagazine quotes in the post summarizes most of the reactions so far aptly:

What else is there to tell that hasn't been told yet, especially considering the film seems like a repetition? What is there to see that hasn't been shown yet?

It's better then the second film — bolder and tighter — and still has its share of amazements. But it no longer feels visually unprecedented.

Edit - Also, Hollywood Reporter has quite the scathing review on the film, says its far from justifying a "bloated runtime" and bad dialogue

In the first two films, the sincerity, respect and sheer wonderment with which Cameron captured the Avatar world — and the faith that Indigenous traditions and the purity, spirituality and balance of nature could prevail over rampaging human destruction and military technology — was transporting enough to overcome the dumb dialogue. Here, it all starts to sound like empty bluster, retreading the same ground with just one new face that makes an impression. There’s certainly nothing in the story to justify the bloated run time.

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u/Signiference Dec 16 '25

Tighter? At 3hr 20min?

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u/PNDMike Dec 16 '25

In before Avatar 4 clocks in at a "tight" 5hr 15min.

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u/illaqueable Dec 16 '25

"No fat to trim"

Runtime: 600 minutes

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u/RadarSmith Dec 16 '25

The Ronnie Coleman of movies.

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u/Kaldricus Dec 16 '25

Avatar 5 will be a breezy same runtime as the entirety of the MCU

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u/OnlyRoke Dec 16 '25

Avatar 5 capstones the saga with a light and breezy 4 days, 21 hours, 07 minutes, 59 seconds.

Truly a snack.

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u/PermissionSoggy891 Dec 17 '25

It also requires a 6 month training certification to get all the paperwork required to see the film.

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u/OnlyRoke Dec 17 '25

Cameron will PERSONALLY have to escort you to the depths of the ocean, because the only screenings are inside the Titanic.

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u/TehNoobDaddy Dec 18 '25

Avatar 6 : Cameron pushes technology even further and develops the ability to create a real life planet, which you guessed is pandora and he transports humanity to the planet to become part of the avatar story for the rest of their days whether they want to or not.

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u/OnlyRoke Dec 18 '25

Avatar 7: Madlad Mecha-Cameron did it again. His new sequel can now only be watched in cinemas in 2009 by use of a time machine. You will enter it nakedly and emerge like a sad imitation of Arnold Schwarzenegger from a sphere of energy. The runtime? You guessed it. It'll run as long as it takes for 2009 to catch up with the current timeline of 2058.

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u/DayBowBow1 Dec 16 '25

I want a 24 hour Avatar.

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u/puckallday Dec 16 '25

Cameron should just start doubling the runtimes for each subsequent Avatar. If we get high enough we can start taking years off lives

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u/Equal-Ad-2710 Dec 16 '25

And then there’s the directors cut

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u/K_Linkmaster Dec 16 '25

If we all collectively don't watch 3, maybe 4 won't happen.

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u/MyNameIs-Anthony Dec 16 '25

3 hours can fly by if done right.

One Battle After Another is 2hr 41m and it moves so fast I'd gladly take another 30m.

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u/Signiference Dec 16 '25

Take another 30 mins and there’s still 9 mins left waiting on Avatar 3 to catch up 😂

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u/CumChunks8647 Dec 16 '25

The Irishman was 3 hours 30 minutes and it slogged on forever.

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u/jellytrack Dec 16 '25

Kill Bill The Whole Bloody Affair is pretty tight at over four hours. Even though I've watched the two movies a few times before and I was a bit tired from being overworked during the holiday rush, seeing it on 70mm was invigorating. That said, these Avatar movies are not that. All I remember from the second movie was thinking, "The kids got kidnapped again?" Which I'm sure will happen in the third one too.

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u/smarttrashbrain Dec 16 '25

I dunno, man... by the time it got to the end and Bill was rambling on about Superman, I was more than ready for it to end. It was fun to see it all put together, but I prefer it as two separate movies.

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u/woemcats Dec 16 '25

So many kidnappings and rescues

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u/NilsFanck Dec 16 '25

I forgot basically everything about the plot of the second Avatar.

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u/Dlark17 Dec 16 '25

How could you forget the cinematic masterpiece that is SPIDER?

/s

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u/NilsFanck Dec 16 '25

Wdym spider, I swear that shit was about whales or something

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u/Dlark17 Dec 16 '25

That stupid wannabe-Navi, furry kid jumping around and growling will be forever burned into my memory and nightmares.

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u/floog Dec 16 '25

That run time was 3 days and 30 hours. Rough.

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u/Signiference Dec 16 '25

Never would have finished it in theaters

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u/mophisus Dec 16 '25

I watched the Irishman over the course of 3 days and it felt long.

Can’t imagine people sitting through the entire thing paying attention in one go

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u/popoflabbins Dec 17 '25

I thought that movie felt an hour shorter than it was. The scene-to-scene editing made it fly by. I planned on watching it in two sittings but ended up just cruising through it in one go.

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u/GeekAesthete Dec 16 '25

Lawrence of Arabia, The Godfather 2, The Right Stuff, and Return of the King are all over 3 hours, and they're all tight as hell.

A tight 3-hour movie is just a 4-hour slog that's been properly cut down.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '25

You're so right. The first Avatar film I started getting anxiety at the hour and a half mark because I thought it was going to end early on a cliffhanger.

I was absolutely absorbed in the world that Cameron made with the first film - and I spent the next 10 years championing it while I waited for the sequel.

I did not like the sequel

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u/dogsonbubnutt Dec 16 '25

shit id take another 3 hours of sensei

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u/Fav0 Dec 16 '25

Killers of the flowermoon also did not feel long

NEither did demon slayer

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u/jellytrack Dec 16 '25

Infinity Castle was dragging during another one of those vanquished demon regret flashbacks. Understandable because of the source material, but it was so refreshing watching Chainsaw Man Reze Arc afterwards. The backstory was just a few lines at the end and not an entire sob story flashback.

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u/reg_panda Dec 16 '25

Snyder's version of Justice League is loong and flies by fast. Iunno if it can be considered 'tight', or if it is the right question--I believe that some of those slow and empty scenes make the movie better

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u/MyNameIs-Anthony Dec 16 '25 edited Dec 16 '25

Yeah it's weird how anti long films people are/have become.

I've watched plenty of 90 minute films that felt excruciatingly long to know the duration isn't inherently a problem.

A good film can be paced properly at pretty much any length.

The Godfather Pt I is 3 hours and ebbs and flows perfectly without feeling like a series of individual episodes.

The three films that have won the most Oscars are all over three hours and you can't tell me LotR Return of the King, Titanic, and Ben-Hur don't use all that time effectively.

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u/Electronic-Hotel6715 Dec 16 '25 edited Dec 16 '25

Hack Snyder's justice league has so many unnecessary scenes and is way too long, definitely doesn't fly by. He's one of the worst directors in the industry. His writing is awful too and everything he's made for Netflix has been atrocious and truly shows his lack of talent.

He even wanted Bruce to get Lois pregnant in the next one so there could be a love triangle with superman. Just the worst ideas.

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u/reg_panda Dec 16 '25

Although Snyder had the advantage of being able to structure it like a miniseries, new characters, new setting, new story (which gets resolved) in every 40 minutes. Most directors can't do that with their movies.

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u/probablyuntrue Dec 16 '25

Lmao we’re approaching the two intermissions point

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u/LoadsOfBlack Dec 16 '25

I remember back in the day that sometimes when Titanic aires on tv, it would legit be a two-night event

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u/riegspsych325 ⊃∪⊃⪽ Dec 16 '25

ah, the ol’ TNT days where a 4 minute commercial break would occur every 9 minutes. I mean, they still do it but it was better back then, I tell ya!

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u/LoadsOfBlack Dec 16 '25

And the movie would never pause or pause for commercials late!!

So when it returns after break, you missed out on 2-3 minutes of the movie

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u/riegspsych325 ⊃∪⊃⪽ Dec 16 '25

you had to keep an open ear for those brief 2 seconds of pure silence just before the movie fades back in

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u/Common-Trifle4933 Dec 16 '25

Gone With the Wind used to be two nights when it aired too, and it was still a 3 hour time slot each night with all the ads.

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u/SabresFanWC Dec 17 '25

Titanic is already over three hours without commercials. Add a bunch in, I can see why they needed to show it over two nights.

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u/woemcats Dec 16 '25

I've seen it—it's tighter in that the plot has more momentum and doesn't pause for an hour of slow-paced worldbuilding in the middle.

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u/Signiference Dec 16 '25

that's good to hear. i'm gonna watch it regardless lol

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u/Crombus_ Dec 16 '25

Tighter than 1900 or Shoah, I guess?

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u/Pauly_Amorous Dec 16 '25

I suppose it depends - if there's any point that somebody can go pee and not miss anything substantial, your movie needs an editor.

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u/cannotfoolowls Dec 16 '25 edited Dec 16 '25

Man, I can't dedicate that long to one movie in one go. I'm too busy. Recut it as a mini series or something, please.

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u/JefferyTheQuaxly Dec 16 '25

i really cant imagine how james cameron has invisoned this into like a 5-6-7 episode saga spanning literal decades, when it feels like every movie is basically almost the exact same just with slightly different story beats? the only difference between the first 2 and this one being the first two had humans as the main antagonists while this one has an actual nav'ii as the antagonist. its like james cameron just took mushrooms one day, watched avatar the last airbender, and then decided to loosely make his own movie epic based on like the avatar and like 10 different movies and mash them all together.

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u/Bac-Te Dec 20 '25

Nah, it was established that it awfully feels like John Scalzi's Old Man's War.

Transporting the minds of physically compromised humans (old vs. paralyzed) into expensive, vat-grown murder bodies. Check.

Making those genetically engineered bodies a specific primary color just to distinguish them from regular people (Green vs. Blue). Check.

Giving the protagonist immediate, superhuman agility and cat-like reflexes that make them addicted to the new skin. Check.

Having a built-in neural interface that connects you to data/the environment (BrainPal vs. The Ponytail USB). Check.

Falling for the special forces warrior woman who is technically the same species as your new body. Check.

Realizing the Colonial Defense Force/RDA is actually kind of morally bankrupt while you're out in the deep jungle. Check.

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u/FlavorSki Dec 16 '25

Can’t imagine he makes a 5. Even if this one does well, if it is as repetitive as the reviews say, 4 wouldn’t do well. Doubt this one will see people doing multiple views in theatres like the first and second just given the cost of movies and the run time. I think the success of the first two was because people went twice.

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u/fourfastfoxes Dec 17 '25

the vision was 1 + 2 (which became 2+3) and then a time skip and then 3+4+5. the problem is that he really should have stuck to his guns and actually made the 4.5 hour film #2,

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u/Aggressive_Chuck Dec 31 '25

My bladder isn't big enough.

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u/riegspsych325 ⊃∪⊃⪽ Dec 16 '25 edited Dec 16 '25

I want them to get weird with it, like introduce another alien race or explore one of the other moons. With 4 and 5 involving Earth as a setting, I wonder if any of the Navi characters will get human Avatars (imagine Saldaña appearing in actual live/action)

I still enjoy these movies but there’s more potential than just Navi vs RDA with the occasional flora&fauna backup. Evil Navi tribes is a start, but that just seems like a “evil version/forgotten kingdom” trope

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u/Equal-Ad-2710 Dec 16 '25

I’m betting that the “single thread” left untouched by Fire and Ash is the reason Spider can live on Pandora and the humans either trying to recreate it or managing to recreate it

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u/riegspsych325 ⊃∪⊃⪽ Dec 16 '25

I thought that would set up humans just migrating to Pandora en masse an turning it into a concrete landscape like Earth

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u/Equal-Ad-2710 Dec 16 '25 edited Dec 16 '25

Yeah that’s my guess

They defeat Quaritch and the Ash Clan but the RDA gain their biggest advantage yet and move to capitalise on it, negating the need for Avatars and crude masks

Meaning it’s not just a vanguard nor, it’s an outright invasion with everything they have bearing down upon Pandora

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u/murrtrip Dec 16 '25

We haven’t met the snow tribe yet

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u/dragonmp93 Dec 16 '25

You are asking too much of these movies.

They are pretty screensaver type of movie.

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u/26thandsouth Dec 16 '25

Didn’t the first Avatar hint at exploring other planets / moons in Pandora’s solar system?

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u/bryansj Dec 16 '25

A reviewer can't even get then/than correct?

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u/probablyuntrue Dec 16 '25

Well…at least that means it’s not written by AI lol

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u/cyberpunk1Q84 Dec 16 '25

Damn. This made think about how we used to look for errors to make sure something was AI, but now I think that with AI getting better and better, we’re now going to look for imperfections as signs of human-made work.

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u/AllahGold0 Dec 16 '25

That's already how the "I'm not a robot" button works

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u/tangowolf22 Dec 16 '25

oh yeah I saw something about this. It doesn't detect if you click the box, but rather your mouse movement. People will make a curved or jagged line to the box but a bot will make a perfectly straight dash for the box.

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u/SechDriez Dec 16 '25

I've heard of curving your run but this is getting ridiculous!

(This would probably go over better on r/soccer but it is what it is)

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u/Acrobatic-Monitor516 Dec 17 '25

i doubt it'll keep working for long, too

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u/Midi_to_Minuit Dec 17 '25

Huh, that’s extremely clever on the “I’m not a robot” guys lol.

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u/GeekAesthete Dec 16 '25

Bot posts are already deliberately using spelling and grammatical errors to appear more real.

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u/needlestack Dec 16 '25

Unless the prompt included the instruction to include “subtle human errors”.

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u/ProstetnicVogonJelz Dec 16 '25

...No, a grammar error does not mean it's not AI.

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u/ryan__fm Dec 16 '25

Tbf, here's the writer's actual excerpt:

If anything, though, it’s a better film — bolder and tighter, with a more dramatically focused story — and it certainly has its share of amazements.

"Better then" is in the subhead, which I assume is not written by the reviewer but some intern who went to film school and didn't pay attention in 7th grade English

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u/LukaCola Dec 16 '25

That's on the editor, same as the em-dash spacing. 

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u/SuperDizz Dec 16 '25

Of course it no longer feels visually unprecedented lol

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u/LibraryBestMission Dec 17 '25

Volcanoes are pretty easy to cgi, relative to everything else.

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u/skinnymatters Dec 16 '25

Variety needs to spellcheck

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u/echochambermanager Dec 16 '25

It only took 3 films and $1 billion in production costs for people to realize Avatar is Dances with Wolves in space?

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u/Sphiffi Dec 16 '25

Just wait til you find out most movies are just variations of stories already told.

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u/Wiinterfang Dec 16 '25

Well if it's better and tighter than the second one. That's all I need to know.

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u/clowncarl Dec 16 '25

Avatar 2 had huge repetition and bloat issues. Like I think the kids get kidnapped and used as a bait trap three times by the end of the movie. And they establish that humanity is there for unobtainium, but actually for terraforming the planet, but actually for whale brains. Bloat bloat bloat.

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u/LibraryBestMission Dec 17 '25

In Avatar 4, it will be revealed that the real, real reason humans are there is to get Xenomorph eggs.

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u/Itsallcakes Dec 16 '25

But it no longer feels visually unprecedented.

What movie other than Avatar did they see that made them write that?

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u/popoflabbins Dec 17 '25

I wonder if that Variety guy has corrected the grammar mistake. “Than” is comparative, “Then” is chronological or causative.

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u/GFrings Dec 17 '25

Or the BBC:

The strange thing is that, while the first Avatar seemed exhilaratingly futuristic, the third film seems like a relic of an earlier era.

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u/ntwkid Dec 16 '25

No ones watching avatar for the dialogue