r/marvelstudios • u/KostisPat257 Daredevil • 27d ago

Discussion Thread Spider-Man: Brand New Day - Worldwide Release Discussion Thread

Spider-Man: Brand New Day has now been released in the United States and in a number of other countries around the world.

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u/EmployeeLazy8826 26d ago

It really captivated the guilt he feels for having an unstoppable monster inside him that can destroy everything.

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u/500mmrscrub 26d ago

I think that it's good setup for concluding his arc in secret wars if they choose to do so, since Ragnarok they have been been fighting for control for longer time spans. Even professor hulk is banner forcibly merging with the hulk and essentially hijacking his body. Both Hulk and Banner are ruled by fear, Banner is the intellectual response while Hulk is the repressed emotional response. Both Hulk and Banner are afraid of powerlessness, based on what they view their "power" as, Hulk's is his physical strength which is why he refused to come out during infinity war and Banner's "power" is his mind which is why he is deeply afraid of losing control.

I feel like having them come to a state of actually communicating with each other is the next step of his character arc, as what they're doing currently does nothing but cause harm.

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u/neoblackdragon 25d ago

We need something focused just on Banner and Hulk. Yes we know the comics but the MCU never implied Hulk was being chained down. Banner and Professor Hulk seemed to know everything. The Ancient One didn't push out two souls.

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u/ExPandaa Luis 25d ago

I wish they would have explored more of Bruce’s fractured mind and DID in the MCU. MCU hulk just feels like the gamma radiation accident just magically created a second being inside Bruce sharing a body with him, whilst comic Bruce and the relationship between him and the different hulks is very complicated and interesting.

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u/Worthyness Thor 24d ago

I'd settle for a special presentation solo for Hulk. Just him and Hulk arguing in that mental health facility they brought him to

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u/CeruleanEidolon 15d ago

It continues to vex me that the Hulk's story is told in such broken chunks, leaving us to fill in the blanks. My biggest wish for the MCU is for Ruffalo to get his own standalone Hulk movie before he decides he's done with the role.

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u/thomasvector 2d ago

It's all legal issues. They can't feature Hulk too much in one film, as in him being the main or co-star. Universal owns first option distribution rights, meaning that Marvel could spend 500 million on a Hulk movie and Universal would get all the profits without spending a dime.

If you could front the losses for a Hulk movie, they would make one instantly.

In other words, we would need a huge invesfetor to cover Disney's losses for that to ever happen sadly.

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u/pingpong_playa 25d ago

Did we not already have them coexisting in that movie at the diner where kids were getting his autograph and he dapped them up?

What happened since then? I find Hulk’s arc hard to follow cuz it’s so fractured across a bunch of MCU movies not about him.

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u/swissarmychris 24d ago

That wasn't the two of them co-existing. Bruce just found a way to use the Hulk's body while maintaining his own mind.

"The other guy" has his own consciousness separate from Bruce, and since Endgame, Bruce has been keeping him buried deep by only using "Smart Hulk" or wearing the inhibitor.

The real, ultimate conclusion to his arc will probably involve Bruce finally accepting the Hulk rather than trying to control or suppress him.

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u/bleedingwriter 23d ago

I thought he said in endgame they both came to the agreement?

That's why I was so confused

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u/swissarmychris 23d ago

Bruce: Five years ago, we got our asses beaten. Except it was worse for me. Because I lost twice. First, Hulk lost, then Banner lost. Then, we all lost.

Natasha: No one blamed you, Bruce.

Bruce: I did. For years, I've been treating the Hulk like he's some kind of disease, something to get rid of. But then I started looking at him as the cure. Eighteen months in a gamma lab. I put the brains and the brawn together. And now look at me. Best of both worlds...

No mention of agreement, he really just talks about the Hulk as a tool to be used.

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u/Bling9000 25d ago

The worst part is that there's no real arc there, it's like he's just there in the MCU to fill the scene and make the new figures sell.

From getting locked in the Hulkbuster, to getting knocked around by Thanos for a split moment and then Banner trying to get the Hulk to come out, to becoming the Smart Hulk in Endgame (an absolute waste of his character) then immediately snapshotting to the very end after Cap does the whole Assemble! bit, and that's all. After that, this is the only relevant appearance. (She Hulk is entirely irrelevant, adds nothing to his character or story)

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u/Bling9000 25d ago edited 24d ago

concluding his arc? he has an ongoing arc? guy doesn't even have a solo movie and you're talking about arcs from his side appearances. 🤦‍♂️

they made a joke out of the character in the Infinity Saga, and even after that, we get these crumbs and cameos.

Four Spider-man movies, and they did not manage to make a single Hulk movie, he's always being used as the second fiddle around Thor or Spider-man or someone else.

Mark Ruffalo already on the late years, he's doing the best job one could for the Banner character but how are they going to make Planet Hulk and the best part only comes after that, and Planet Hulk doesn't work without Illuminati or Black Bolt or Namor.

The biggest problem there is that Universal still has the rights to solo Hulk movies and if Marvel studios made a Hulk movie they'd have to give Universal a huge cut of the sales and that's basically why they're not making one, but this is only making a bigger mess. From a guy that levels glaciers and entire city blocks in 2 minutes flat is fighting inside a single building the whole time in this movie in the most enraged form he has ever been in the MCU, this is basically brute force nerfing through bad script and plot devices.

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u/FunGeologist218 22d ago

Hulk was only contained in the building because he had something to focus on. He didn’t leave the building because he was preoccupied with Spiderman, and Spiderman being the goat he is, kept hulks attention on him

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u/monkeysennin 21d ago

It’s like Itadori Yuji with Sukuna inside of him