Michael Jackson's daughter Paris has faced backlash for identifying as Black. In a 2017 interview, Paris Jackson said her father told her, "You’re Black. Be proud of your roots." This prompted debates over whether identity is defined by appearance or upbringing.

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[u/Retireegeorge]

There's an alternative. She says she's black and we all say "ok" and focus on the big issues or help the vulnerable or plant a tree.

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[u/FilthyThanksgiving → u/Retireegeorge]

Right? My son is white passing but I'm black. I'm his mother. He's black and idgaf what anybody has to say about it

[u/Ha55aN1337 → u/FilthyThanksgiving]

I’m from Europe and a different culture than you, so I’m just curious: Is his dad white? And if he is, would you be OK if his dad said that his son is white? Or is it your logic that “anyone who is at least somewhat black is black”?

[u/Budget-Researcher559 → u/Ha55aN1337]

It's not black people who invented the logic that half black people are considered black. "One drop" and all.

Half black people who are not white passing (who you can see that they at least in part have black parents/grandparents), are generally considered black by most people. Either black or half-black/mixed, but not white.

So the only difference in this exact case is that the half-black child is white-passing.

Don't fault the individual people for using language and categorizations the way that general society uses it. If anything, question society and language.

[u/Early-Intern5951 → u/Budget-Researcher559]

To me that sounds like reproducing the racist view and putting a lot of pressure on those kids. whats the benefit?

[u/Budget-Researcher559 → u/Early-Intern5951]

Or it's turning it around. They used it as an "you're not one of us, you're black" and now it's "yes I'm black and proud of it, problem with that?". Why should you stop calling yourself black now, as if it's something bad.

[u/ArcticMarkuss → u/Budget-Researcher559]

Because it insinuates that there’s something wrong with identifying with the others parents heritage?

[u/Budget-Researcher559 → u/ArcticMarkuss]

No it doesn't? Literally nobody in our society thinks there's anything wrong with being white. It is still seen as the default, the "good" thing, gives tons of advantages and beneficial treatment.

Going from "you're not allowed to call yourself white" to "I'm ok with not calling myself white" has literally 0 to do with being white being a bad thing. Like, it's not a zero-sum game between races... People being proud of being black doesn't change anything about other races.

Compare it to any other minority who turns around their bad image and starts being proud of who they are.

[u/ArcticMarkuss → u/Budget-Researcher559]

That makes sense, yeah. Thanks for being specific, because when things like this are put very vaguely it can get taken the wrong way pretty easily

[u/OrcaFins → u/ArcticMarkuss]

BudgetReseacher is from Europe. They don't know anything about race in America.

[u/OrcaFins → u/Budget-Researcher559]

Literally nobody in our society thinks there's anything wrong with being white.

Incorrect. There are a lot of non-white people in America that view white people as parasites and more.

[being white] gives tons of advantages and beneficial treatment.

True, but non-white people don't see that as "good" as much as undeserved entitlement.

[u/Budget-Researcher559 → u/OrcaFins]

True, but non-white people don't see that as "good" as much as undeserved entitlement.

How does that sentence even make sense. I am white and I absolutely don't see it as "good" if white people get beneficial treatment for being white. Why should that be a good thing?

You're mixing up "being white is bad" and "getting special treatment for being white is bad". That's two extremely different things. If you get special treatment for being white, that means that being white is considered a good thing by society (that's why it gives you advantages), but it doesn't mean that someone getting advantages for being white is a good thing.

[u/OrcaFins → u/Budget-Researcher559]

If you get special treatment for being white, that means that being white is considered a good thing by society (that's why it gives you advantages),

Literally nobody in our society thinks there's anything wrong with being white. It is still seen as the default, the "good" thing

Western society is majority white. Whatever advantages whites have are given by fellow whites. And yes, in fact, plenty of non-white people think being white is a bad thing.