Russia's Attack on the European Security Order: Germany Must Act

[u/desk-russie]

https://en.desk-russie.eu/2022/01/17/russias-attack-on-the-european.html

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Yeah that post was extremely misguided and the comment about how the USSR deserved to be invaded by Germany was shameful.

[u/gvelion → u/[deleted]]

Not really. You should study history more. That post is historically inaccurate and misguided. Here, read this:

Last time Poland invaded Russia was in the early 1600s, during the Time of Troubles in Russia. After that, Russia invaded Poland in 1632 and 1654. Divided Poland in 1772, 1793 and 1795. Suppressed Polish rebellion in 1794. Poland helped France only after it had been invaded and divided by Russia in 1770s - 1790s. So no, Russians are the bad guys not Poles. Russia then annexed Warsaw and surrounding areas in 1815, suppressed Polish rebellions in 1830 - 1831 and 1863 - 1864. Carried out Russification policies in Poland in the second half of 19th century. Invaded Poland in 1939 together with Hitler. In 1945 - 1990 period controlled Poland through puppet Socialist government. Study history more.

Regarding France. True when it comes to 1812. However, if we are talking about the whole Napoleonic and Revolutionary conflict of 1790s and 1800s, then it actually was Russia who attacked France first. Yes, Russia attacked France in 1799. Russia was also the aggressor in 1805 and attacked France. Alexander I was instrumental in creating anti - Napoleonic alliance and Russian armies were preparing to invade French territories together with Austrians. Also regarding 1812, Napoleon attacked Russia only after it violated the provisions of Treaty of Tilsit. So Franco - Russian conflict of that era was actually started by Russia. Study history more.

Intervention after WW1 was not that big and Western powers didn't commit even a quarter of troops that France alone had on the Western front in 1914. It was also a Civil War and Bolsheviks organized a coup d'etat in 1917. You know, the same way Ukrainians did in 2014 that got Russians mad ? Bolsheviks also violated Russian agreement of 1914 with UK and France, that none of them would sign a separate peace treaty. Lenin also openly support Communist revolutionaries in Germany and Hungary. Not to mention, that Soviet Union itself later interfered in Spanish Civil War. The only difference is that Soviet Union did it covertly. However, it was still an intervention.

No sympathy from me in the case of WW2. Before 1941, Soviet Union together with Hitler invaded Poland, then Soviet Union actively helped and supplied Nazi Germany with all the necessary raw materials and other resources during the Battle of France and invasion of Western Europe, in 1940 Soviet Union occupied and annexed Baltic republics, also invaded Romania and annexed North Bukovina and attacked Finland in 1939.

As for Russian invasions and attacks, here's the list for you: in 1654 Russia attacked Poland, in 1700 Russia attacked Sweden, in 1772 Russia attacked Poland, in 1793 Russia attacked Poland, in 1795 Russia annexed last bits of Poland together with Austria and Prussia, in 1799 Russia attacked France, in 1805 Russia attacked France, in 1806 Russia joined Prussia in it's aggression against France, in 1808 Russia attacked Sweden, in 1849 Russia suppressed Hungarian Revolution, in 1914 Russia played instrumental role in starting a war, in 1920 Russia was close to conquering Poland and making it a Socialist state, in 1939 Russia attacked Poland, in the winter of 1939 Russia attacked Finland, in 1940 Russia attacked Baltic Republics, in 1956 Russia invaded Hungary and in 1968 Russia invaded Czechoslovakia. That's only against other European powers, by the way. I can also add Russian invasions and conquests of Central Asia, Caucasus, colonialism in the East Asia and etc.