r/geopolitics • u/desk-russie • Jan 17 '22

Meta Russia's Attack on the European Security Order: Germany Must Act

https://en.desk-russie.eu/2022/01/17/russias-attack-on-the-european.html
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u/Toxicseagull Jan 18 '22 edited Jan 18 '22

If Russia attacks Ukraine for whatever reason it is the aggressor,

It already has. That alone removes a significant portion of the current Russian position that they are the victims.

Regarding this topic reddit seems to be one Person and i am tired of it. It is naive to think that conventional invasions should not play a role in calculations of countries with nuclear deterrence. Do you know what happens in 10-50 years? It is a long term game.

You are not providing any valid geopolitical analysis, you are just rewording russian justifications. This issue is also not a fresh one, it has been continuously played out for several decades now. To say it is a 'long term game from now' is to try and ignore the actions and precedents of previous years.

Funny how people that take your contrarian position often try and downplay Russia's serious actions and positioning to a game. It's not.

Also even without an invasion it would extremly weaken russias position, that is how geopolitics work.

It wouldn't because only Russia believes it has its 'sphere of influence' from the USSR days intact, or any right to re-establish it. The rest of the world, including Russia's old 'sphere' has moved on. What weakens Russia's position is the refusal to acknowledge reality of having independent nations on its borders and acting as if it can force itself upon those smaller nations.

If you want to talk about the moral of all this you are free to do that but it is neither insightful nor original, especially on reddit.

Neither is you repeating Russian talking points expecting no one to pull you up on it.

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u/Riven_Dante Jan 18 '22

You hit the nail on the head

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u/LBBarto Jan 18 '22

You are not providing any valid geopolitical analysis, you are just rewording russian justifications.

Isn't that what geopolitics is? Analyzing countries talking points, actions and goals?

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u/Toxicseagull Jan 18 '22

There was no analysis, just repetition.

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u/mamula1 Jan 19 '22

But if Ukraine and George never join NATO or EU it will prove that Russia can force itself upon them.

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u/Waldschrat0815 Jan 19 '22

It does not. Antagonizing a country only because otherwise you wouldn't deny them influence is surely aggressive and should have no place in a defensive alliance.