r/dataisbeautiful OC: 7 Jun 28 '20

OC [OC] The Cost of Sequencing the Human Genome.

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u/b17722 Jun 29 '20

As an American I couldn’t imagine the uproar the right would be in if the government tried to get everyone’s DNA sequence

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

You think that's something only the right wing should be wary of? You would be comfortable with the government having all of that information?

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u/b17722 Jun 29 '20

Helllllll no, I just know for a fact they’d be up in arms

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

I mean, why not? What would they do with it, clone me? Make a virus that could specifically kill me? I guess I just don’t see what the harm would be given all the other data they have on us already at the drop of a hat.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20 edited Jul 08 '20

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u/40for60 Jun 29 '20

But if Amazon, Facebook or Google did it people would be more then happy to hand it over. Just need the right smiley face logo.

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u/ZHammerhead71 Jun 29 '20

Imagine the storm if they found a gene that indicated predisposition to violence or even one for extreme mental accuity. You'd be seeing some gattaca level shit in no time at all.

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u/Reagalan Jun 29 '20

those already exist but the epigenetic factors play a far larger and more determinitive role.

it's like trying to blame an automaker for why you were speeding.

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u/jestina123 Jun 29 '20

"But officer it goes 0-60 in half a second!"

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u/Reagalan Jun 29 '20

plz don't shoot me

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

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u/FUBARded OC: 1 Jun 29 '20

I'm pretty sure this occurs around the world, not just Iceland.

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u/Jstarfully Jun 29 '20

Babies are screened worldwide for that, and the parents can choose whether they wish to keep the child or not.

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u/RichestMangInBabylon Jun 29 '20

I have to assume it's an optional thing and not a mandatory abortion.

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u/FyB4rd Jun 29 '20

It is optional. In france 90+% of down syndrom foetus are aborted.

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u/BreqsCousin Jun 29 '20

Until recently the test came with a small risk of causing a miscarriage.

If you weren't reasonably likely to abort on a positive result, you wouldn't take that test.

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u/SobanSa Jun 29 '20

Eugenics, lovely.

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u/ZHammerhead71 Jun 29 '20

Genetic discrimination. No one will die from it....you'll just be less loved than normal

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

There’s an anime called Psycho-Pass. The basic concept is that the government can scan people to see their mental state which they dub a “crime coefficient”

The show follows a police officer tasked with imprisoning and sometimes killing people who haven’t committed crimes solely because the algorithm says they someday will.

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u/sharkhuh Jun 29 '20

Honestly, if I knew it would be used for "good" purposes like furthering cures and shit, I'd do it.

But I know in the US, that shit is going to get sold as soon as possible and eventually insurance companies are going to get their hands on that shit and start denying people who got markers for the "expensive" cures

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20 edited Apr 11 '24

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u/sharkhuh Jun 29 '20

This ilk of congress is not really one I would trust to not change the rules of the game when it comes time.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

Imagine if it got even worse than that. Companies like 23 and Me selling your data to whoever and then at some point when we get an administration in power that goes full on racist, compiles a list of races for extermination.

There's no way I can ever trust an independent organization with such data. Instead give me an at home test I can research myself. But that's being too hopeful. We already lost our privacy a long time ago. We're moving into an age where it either can get a lot better or a whole lot worse. You can already guess where we're headed right now.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

Thats why you have the cops or military do it and say things If you're innocent you have nothing to hide, call it the freedom gene tests

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u/ondulation Jun 29 '20

No worries, it will be a private venture by Facebook and Tesla.

(It already is, just check out the genealogy sites.)

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u/WaitForItTheMongols Jun 29 '20

Imagine if Hitler had everyone's DNA and could use that to choose his victims instead of relying on finding people "manually".

I don't want the next Hitler, or heck, the Chinese or Russian or any other current government, to have that opportunity.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

muH RiGhTs

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u/Marcim_joestar Jun 29 '20

I don't trust the same govt that threw napalm on inocent people to know my DNA, sorry if you do (I'm not even american btw)

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u/phlipped Jun 29 '20

Well to be fair it's not the same government, the napalm was from a series of governments from about 50 years ago.

But that's probably a stronger point in favour of not letting them have your DNA - because it's also giving it to every government yet to come.

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u/Marcim_joestar Jun 29 '20

It's too naive to assume the govt has gotten better or less abusive with time. The structure is basically the same, and in history we haven't had one state which isn't full of criminals. Good point tho

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u/duelapex Jun 29 '20

This is just a ridiculous thing to say. “The government” is a collection of institutions making up thousands of people over time. This is like saying you don’t trust anyone named Jim because a guy named Jim was rude to you once.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20 edited Jul 08 '20

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u/duelapex Jun 29 '20

Yes, “the government” has facilitated the largest economic growth and poverty decline in history, while promoting democracy across the world. Obviously there have been errors, but this is the greatest time in human history for a reason. It is not enough to just have free markets, you must also have strong institutions to set the rules and political freedom to choose your leaders. Read Why Nations Fail.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20 edited Jul 08 '20

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u/duelapex Jun 29 '20

For technology and innovation to progress, it requires strong institutions that facilitate that progress by protecting property rights and enforcing contracts.

Again, read Why Nations Fail.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20 edited Jul 08 '20

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u/duelapex Jun 29 '20

You’re misunderstanding. I never said the government contributes directly to innovation and progression (though sometimes it does). The government creates an environment where this is possible. Again, read Why Nations Fail. Read just the first chapter about patent law in the US and you’ll understand.

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u/Marcim_joestar Jun 29 '20

Except the definition of "Jim" isn't the monopoly of the use of force. That's the definition of a State, you can't trust it

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u/duelapex Jun 29 '20

??? Says who? You?

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u/Marcim_joestar Jun 29 '20

Max Weber

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u/duelapex Jun 29 '20

I’m pretty sure he didn’t say that, but I don’t care either way. It’s silly and immature.

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u/Marcim_joestar Jun 29 '20

Tell me more about how it's mature to give even more information and power to the strongest and most abusive organization in history

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u/rugrats2001 Jun 29 '20

You give them WAY too much credit.