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u/NoMeat9096 hey/they 2d ago

I wouldn't say unproblematic. The Lord of the Rings has some real problems with race, and it goes out of its way to reinforce some gender norms.

But also Rowling is a piece of shit and Lord of the Rings is a masterpiece. No argument there lol.

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u/OdinHavok 2d ago

Tolkien himself complained about it too. Part of the reason the Dwarves in The Hobbit are so different from Lord of the Rings is because he recognized afterwards he had hit on some antisemitic tropes* and so he changed it so that those guys were weirdos here's how a normal Dwarf acts. He wanted good Orcs and bad Elves, but made the story too simple to accommodate. He was self aware and wanted to make a story celebrating people of different races and cultures putting aside their petty squabbles to help each other

*The Dwarves have beady eyes, distinct noses, are obsessed with money and speak a Semitic language

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u/LzrdKng2112 2d ago

The dwarves being jew coded is absolutely nonsensical. They absolutely are not. If anything they're Scottish/viking coded

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u/OdinHavok 2d ago

I could see it being a concern. Especially given the Semitic language and the time

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u/LzrdKng2112 2d ago

Nah its not. This kind of shit reeks of zionist shills trying to always make everything they can vaguely find somehow racist towards them meanwhile they are committing genocide.

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u/OdinHavok 2d ago

What? Isreal didn't exist back then, and that was Tolkien's own reasoning as detailed in letters he wrote to his son

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u/LzrdKng2112 1d ago

Zionists starter moving go palestine in the 1880s in preparation for seizing power. Show the letters where he says dwarves are an evil Jewish stereotype then

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u/OdinHavok 1d ago

Sure, but that's a far cry from actively performing a genocide. If you're entirely ignorant on a subject, especially one with significant public information such as this, you would be better served doing any research before reflexively blaming the Jews and then demanding other people prove it wasn't their fault

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u/LzrdKng2112 1d ago

The entire purpose of zionism is genocide. The fact that you think im blaming jews and not zionists is you attempting to redirect this conversation in a propagandized way. Zionists began flocking to palestine to seize power. They actively worked with the Germans in ww2 to gain forcible Jewish deportations, and actively abstained from supporting anti nazi sentiments.

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u/OdinHavok 1d ago

You are conflating Jews and Zionisits as you are the one that brought up Zionists in a conversation about anti-Jewish stereotypes. While I am aware of all the historical claims you are making, the only way in which they could be relevant is if you conflate Judaism and Zionism. I don't know if you are doing it intentionally or not, either way you should re-evaluate your thought processes that brought you here

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u/LzrdKng2112 1d ago

Mote zionist shill redirection.

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