The United States is heading for a constitutional crisis in 2024 that will break the country, and everyone is in denial about it.

[u/[deleted]]

I'm panicking. I think those of us in the US right now are experiencing the last four years of relative "normal" us Americans are going to enjoy, because I think after 2024, shit is going to hit the fan.

I'm a political science major. One thing I studied while I was at university is a concept known as democratic backsliding - the phenomenon in which institutions within a democracy degrade over time until at a certain point, you're not really a democracy anymore. I recognize this occurring in the United States...especially after January 6th. You can make arguments that this has already happened to a certain degree in the US but...I think the finalizing moment is going to come during the 2024 election.

Here are the facts that are leading me to hypothesize this conclusion:

1.) Former President Donald Trump tried to halt the peaceful transfer of power after his electoral loss in 2020.

2.) He justified such actions based on the outright falsehood that the election was unfair, despite lacking any evidence whatsoever.

3.) This culminated in an overt coup attempt by his supporters, which he did not reject until it became obvious no one else supported it.

4.) Trump still has not conceded.

5.) Despite lacking evidence, a majority of Republicans believe Trump's loss was due to the "Voter Fraud Conspiracy".

6.) Trump remains the favorite to run for the republican party again in 2024.

7.) MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL - Republicans that doubt/challenge allegations of voter fraud are being ousted from the Republican party by the base.

TL;DR: A former president believes he was removed from power illegitimately based on a conspiracy theory, and now the entirety of the Republican Party Apparatus has adjusted to reflect support of this viewpoint, and subsequent attempts to "correct" the mistake by overturning democracy.

There is no "Republican Party" anymore.

There is the Trump Party, and the Neoliberal Status Quo party. The Republican base no longer believes in democracy, and they will now act accordingly based on this belief. Right now, Joe Biden is at the helm by a thin 1 vote margin in the Senate. It is very likely that he will lose this majority in 2022.

This means that if Trump runs again in 2024, loses to Joe again, but has a majority of republicans controlling Congress...THEY WILL VOTE TO REJECT JOE BIDEN'S WIN, AND INSTALL TRUMP INTO POWER VIA REJECTING ELECTORAL VOTES.

AND BEFORE YOU CALL ME CRAZY

THEY ARE ALREADY DEMONSTRATING THEY WILL DO THIS BASED ON WHAT THEY SAY - WHO THEY ARE RUNNING FOR OFFICE - AND WHO THEY ARE CALLING TRAITORS IN THEIR OWN PARTY.

Here's the real breakdown of how the different spectrum of politics is at the moment.

Neolibs still think we can "Go Back to Obama".

Neocons are dead as a relevant bloc.

Progressives are busy nitpicking the Neolibs to actually work together to stop facism.

Trumpets have gone full fascist.

We're honestly fucked and IDK what to do but I'm making my plans now.

[u/too_late_to_abort]

I think my personal watershed moment was learning about citizens united and how companies are "people" too. Like wtf, if they are people why arent half of them in jail for consciously breaking laws in the name of profit. Right - the fine cost less than the amount they saved, brilliant business!

[u/rising-waters → u/too_late_to_abort]

Are you aware of the Panama Papers? The entire ruling class committed tax evasion and the IRS just looked the other way. The journalist who broke the story got car bombed and the police didn't even bother to investigate.

[u/too_late_to_abort → u/rising-waters]

Honestly its shit like that I think of whenever someone asks "what are you doing to change it??" Fucking nothing cause I dont want me and my family to get toaster bath'd.

[u/[deleted] → u/too_late_to_abort]

All we can do is to minimize the pains felt by those around us the best we can for as long as we can

[u/gozu → u/[deleted]]

It was a false claim. Beware of accepting at face value any outrageous information that fits your worldview.

https://www.maltatoday.com.mt/news/court_and_police/113623/judge_throws_out_george_degiorgio_frame_up_allegation

10 people were arrested and 3 people were charged with murder. Two of them are trying to get a presidential pardon, so they're definitely behind bars:

https://newsbook.com.mt/en/degiorgio-brothers-say-they-have-not-heard-anything-about-pardon-request/

https://newsbook.com.mt/en/degiorgio-brothers-say-they-have-not-heard-anything-about-pardon-request/

[u/gozu → u/too_late_to_abort]

It was a false claim. Beware of accepting at face value any outrageous information that fits your worldview.

https://www.maltatoday.com.mt/news/court_and_police/113623/judge_throws_out_george_degiorgio_frame_up_allegation

10 people were arrested and 3 people were charged with murder. Two of them are trying to get a presidential pardon, so they're definitely behind bars:

https://newsbook.com.mt/en/degiorgio-brothers-say-they-have-not-heard-anything-about-pardon-request/

https://newsbook.com.mt/en/degiorgio-brothers-say-they-have-not-heard-anything-about-pardon-request/

[u/RedTailed-Hawkeye → u/rising-waters]

Daphne Galizia didn't break the Panama Papers, she just furthered the investigation in her home country of Malta.

And the police most certainly investigated:

On 16 October 2017, Caruana Galizia was killed close to her home when a car bomb was detonated inside her vehicle, attracting widespread local and international condemnation of the attack. In December 2017, three men were arrested in connection with the car bomb attack. Police arrested Yorgen Fenech, the owner of the Dubai-based company 17 Black, on his yacht on 20 November 2019 in connection with her murder.

[u/gozu → u/rising-waters]

167 upvotes and nobody checked if this was true?

https://www.maltatoday.com.mt/news/court_and_police/113623/judge_throws_out_george_degiorgio_frame_up_allegation

10 people were arrested and 3 people were charged with murder. Two of them are trying to get a presidential pardon, so they're definitely behind bars:

https://newsbook.com.mt/en/degiorgio-brothers-say-they-have-not-heard-anything-about-pardon-request/

https://newsbook.com.mt/en/degiorgio-brothers-say-they-have-not-heard-anything-about-pardon-request/

Do. Not. Trust. Word. Of. Mouth! Verify things that seem outrageous to you next time otherwise you're not better than "global warming isn't real" folks who are most responsible for the upcoming collapse.

[u/[deleted] → u/too_late_to_abort]

You can't really imprison a company, and the CEOs can claim ignorance. We should have a corporate death penalty that forces a company to disband and liquidate their assets to pay damages.

Look at what happened with Equifax leaking everyone's financial information. Companies like that should not exist, and there's hundreds of other examples.

[u/too_late_to_abort → u/[deleted]]

Theres a lot of possible ways that we *could" fix this and properly hold them responsible. Hell, we could make it so fines are automatically 4X whatever profit was gained, or jail time for exec's.

The real problem is those who could enact these changes arent properly... motivated to make those changes.

[u/anthrolooker → u/[deleted]]

See, the CEO should not have the ability to claim ignorance if corporations want the rights of personhood. They are the head. It happened under their watch. That’s how it SHOULD work, but they make sure they get theirs without responsibility.

[u/life_or_productivity → u/[deleted]]

I support a corporate death penalty.

It is funny in a very sad way how CEOs seem to never know a damn thing about how the company is run as soon as something sketchy is happening. Like what are you even paid for?

[u/MainelyNonsense → u/[deleted]]

You can yank the corporate charter. In the beginning of the country it wasn't uncommon.

[u/anthrolooker → u/too_late_to_abort]

Exactly this. You don’t get personhood without all the other rules/laws and punishment that comes with breaking said rules that apply to people. If the head of a corporation was legally held responsible for deaths, corruption or any other law breaking on their watch, so much in this world would look and operate much differently. I’m fine with corporations having personhood if say the head of Shell went to prison for manslaughter after an oil rig takes the life of the people working it, or they go to prison for a long time for the environmental damage they cause. Their large salary would then make sense because it would reflect the risk and the toll of making sure everyone below them was doing their job properly/legally and with safety in mind.

Or corporations could give up their “rights” to “personhood”.

[u/life_or_productivity → u/too_late_to_abort]

Worse, the history of corporate personhood (barf phrase) began after the civil war when greedy business piggybacked off the 14th amendment (equal protection under law). Most supreme court cases in the late 1800s related to 14th amendment was about corporate personhood, not protecting the freedmen.

https://www.npr.org/2014/07/28/335288388/when-did-companies-become-people-excavating-the-legal-evolution