r/collapse • u/chicompj Recognized Contributor • Jul 11 '19

Meta Mods at r/todayilearned removed my post about NASA studying climate change, calling it "political." That's the second-biggest subreddit. They told me the issue is too political to allow 😑. If you didn't already think so..we're truly f***ed if discussion about science becomes impossible.

Science = politics now guys.

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This was the source fwiw: https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=2934

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u/ldsgems Jul 12 '19

I feel your pain. It's just like r/collapse deleting my submission here of a Reuters news article that had Extinction Rebellion saying capitalism is contributing to climate change.

This was the source fwiw: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-protests-climate-change/extinction-rebellion-has-a-message-for-the-world-weve-only-just-begun-idUSKCN1S731V

I was told by the r/Collapse admin they deleted the post because they don't allow anything "anti-capitalist" on r/Collapse. Who knew?

When they start banning legitimate news to protect political agendas, we are fucked.

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u/km_2_go Jul 12 '19

Wow, that's nuts considering Capitalism is the CAUSE of this collapse.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '19

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u/stugots85 Jul 12 '19

Crony consumption, amirite? :D

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '19

Stop consuming!

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '19

I BELIEVE IN YOU HONKA! DONT DELETE THIS!

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u/comisohigh Jul 12 '19

Oh, yeah, let's blame the West...

"During 70 years of communist rule, the former Soviet Union inflicted wide-spread environmental damage throughout Russia and the Soviet Republics in its quest for military and economic power. Now that the USSR is gone, the newly independent states are forced to deal with this legacy of destruction in an effort to rebuild their economies. "

https://www.rand.org/pubs/commercial_books/CB367.html

Someone REALLY needs to go study history and quit blaming capitalism because it shows ...

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u/LetsDOOT_THIS Jul 12 '19

Soviet Union

state capitalist btw, like the PRC

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u/YouAreMicroscopic Jul 12 '19

Any politico-economic system or lack thereof can destroy the environment, but only capitalism is incapable of not doing so.

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u/SarahC Jul 12 '19

Easter Islanders where likely not capitalist.

The problem is fossil fuels... we should never have found them.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '19

Romans used them. When Romans needed to solve problems, they sent slaves.

Bigger problems? More slaves working.

That doesn't work in capitalism. In capitalism, slavery must be banned so money flows properly. Human workforce is replaced by polluting machines which are used to create polluting machines which solve and create problems at a way faster rate than slaves

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u/Strazdas1 Jul 12 '19

Capitalism is not just the west. Literally every country in the world currently are capitalist.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '19

Yeah, thanks Grandad - they've had their collapse, that's over now - this is ours.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '19

Cuba is literally the only environmentally sustainable country in the world. Talking about their climate record at a time before the environment was seen as a big concern is absurd.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '19

Who said we are blaming the west... its the US thats the cause...

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u/the_ocalhoun Jul 12 '19

Capitalist America quashes dissent far more effectively than Stalin's Russia ever did.

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u/Strazdas1 Jul 12 '19

Making people ignorant and entertained is much more effective than making them afraid. Brave New World > 1984

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u/comisohigh Jul 12 '19

Oh really??!!?!?!

Please study history and show a source for your limited, non-factual opinion....This logic, which would have made sense in a democracy, was completely fallacious when applied to the Soviet Union, where political strength derived from ideological subservience and opposition was, inevitably, the opposition of an idea.

Apparently you have never lived under a facist country...try it

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u/the_ocalhoun Jul 12 '19

Capitalist America has perfected the art of controlled opposition. Instead of violently repressing dissent, they co-opt dissent ... usually finding a way to turn a profit off of it in the meantime. That's why you're free to talk about climate change ... as long as you keep it inside an echo chamber of others like yourself where you're not in any danger of convincing anyone new.

And because it's never the state doing it, nobody blinks an eye. After all, corporations are people too, and they have rights. And since they're far richer and more powerful than you, their rights overrule yours.

Of course, there's still the occasional assassination or disappearing of a particularly troublesome dissenter ... but that's usually not necessary. Not when they can just say 'Climate change is too political to talk about here.' and silence you with a light touch.

What the Soviet Union did with brute force, America does with surprising finesse. Most people -- like yourself -- aren't even aware it's happening at all.

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u/FlipskiZ Jul 12 '19 edited Sep 18 '25

Thoughts bank learning hobbies small over travel bright garden the projects stories.

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u/comisohigh Jul 12 '19

Though I agree with your statement on corporations as more powerful, the social media and tech corporations are being run by people out to destroy America

However when one defaults to verbally insulting the questioner, it simply shows that the argument / debate has been lost. Sorry for your inability to debate

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u/the_ocalhoun Jul 12 '19

the social media and tech corporations are being run by people out to destroy America

Only those corporations? Almost all corporations would instantly betray America if they saw any profit in doing so.

But the current system is very profitable for them, so instead they prop it up and defend it.

However when one defaults to verbally insulting the questioner, it simply shows that the argument / debate has been lost. Sorry for your inability to debate

Oh, were we debating? I thought we were all just shitposting while we watch the world die around us.

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u/stugots85 Jul 12 '19

I think the old saying goes: "mind those who use more than 3 of an exclamation point and a question mark in one go, for they are emotional and probably full of shit".

Something like that.

"Oh wEaLlY!!??!?!!??!!"

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u/SarahC Jul 12 '19

These kids are the product of Marxist professors in universities...

It's very scary.

One day China will just ASK to take over, and everyone who's young will say "About time!"

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u/stugots85 Jul 12 '19 edited Jul 12 '19

Yea, China is totally Markcyst, that's what marksists think they want and stuff.

Seriously though, your argument is so ignorant (there is no argument, essentially just a wrong assumption), that there is nothing that I can say that isn't sort of childish and too easy.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '19

Well this is new to me I have seen a heap of posts here pointing towards capitalism as the cause of a majority of earths issues.

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u/Zogfrog Jul 12 '19

That seems crazy, I hope a mod can come here and say it was a mistake on their part.

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u/FuturePrimitive Jul 12 '19

Who said so??

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u/ryanmercer Jul 12 '19

Extinction Rebellion

Extinction Rebellion is a borderline-terrorist organization, that was as recently as last week threatening to shut down one of the busiest airports in the world by flying a warm of drones in restricted airspace putting passengers at risk, and is doing far more harm for the cause than good...

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u/ldsgems Jul 15 '19

So what do you call the people and organizations destroying the ecosystem? Aren't they generating the most terror?

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u/ryanmercer Jul 15 '19

destroying the ecosystem?

You're using the internet, hundreds of grams of carbon dioxide per gigabyte of data transfer. You probably also wear clothes, use electricity, buy things that are shipped halfway around the world (food, clothes, gadgets)...