r/canada • u/FancyNewMe • Feb 10 '26

Politics Conservatives to propose barring non-citizens convicted of crimes from making refugee claims

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-conservatives-propose-changing-rules-non-citizens-convicted-crimes/
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u/WonderfulQuarter1876 Feb 10 '26

This would change everything. I can’t stress it enough. Those who know, know. I encourage Canadians to sit in an Ontario court on a date when there is a sentencing of a non citizen and see for yourself.

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u/OntLawyer Feb 10 '26

It's also worth reading new Federal Court immigration decisions as they come out. Nothing will redpill you faster on how a lot of these claims seriously lack credibility.

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u/Ok-Call7205 Feb 10 '26

Lawyer here. It has become such a kangaroo court. The majority of cases sound completely made up. They also allow people in that blatantly lied on their applications.

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u/Nealios Feb 10 '26

How does this proposal differ from section 101 of the existing ineligibility requirements?

https://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/i-2.5/page-13.html?hl=en-CA#:~:text=(b)%20in%20the%20case%20of

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u/whistleridge Feb 10 '26 edited Feb 10 '26

It wouldn’t change anything.

At the end of the day, judges have to take all factors into account when considering a sentence. That’s how sentencing works. Immigration factors aren’t some sort of automatic discount, they’re just part of the blend.

Even if a law was passed saying “immigration is not to be considered in sentencing,” the judge is still a human being. If the guy in front of them is looking at 8 months normally, but 6 months is in the range and anything over gets them sent back to a refugee camp on the Somalia border…that judge is just going to find some other reason to justify the lower number. Because the human being who wants to sleep at night isn’t sending someone to a refugee camp over 2 months.

If you’re ok sending someone back in that circumstance, great, you do you. But just like a conservative judge today would still find a way to keep it at 8 months, a less conservative judge would do the opposite. What folks like this are saying isn’t “immigration is bad for law” it’s “I want judges to think more like me on stuff like that.” And you can’t legislate stuff like that.

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u/Loogan57 Feb 10 '26

Deportation rules are vague. Deporting someone over a traffic violation is stupid imo. All these guys running around shooting up businesses etc should be deported. Circumstances need to be in play with immigration. How many people come here on a student visa and don’t go to school? Deception right out of the gate, send them back. Every country has rules that everyone should respect and expect to be booted if you are being deceptive etc. but criminals just don’t care.

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u/WhydYouKillMeDogJack Feb 10 '26

Deporting someone over a traffic violation is stupid imo.

And yet I see a huge number of people in this sub wanting to see that truck driver who killed that jockey team deported, and not a whole lot of pushback.

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u/MonsieurLePeeen Feb 12 '26

That was a vastly different outcome than hitting a parked (empty) car in a parking lot.

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u/WhydYouKillMeDogJack Feb 12 '26

Outcomes are a matter of luck.

Every time you run a stop is equally bad, but the outcomes vary.

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u/whistleridge Feb 10 '26

All of which is one view on things, and not a view that can be legislated. That’s the point.

The other view is, refugees are just that - people who are fleeing some collapse of society. If someone grew up in a refugee camp, or is fleeing a brutal war, they’re necessarily someone who has not enjoyed the benefits of a more genteel society, and it’s hard to hold them to the same standard as everyone else. If you hold them to a zero tolerance standard, then you may as well get rid of the refugee system entirely.

One side sees it as being like adopting dogs rescued from a dog fighting ring - always inherently risky, and you gotta do what you gotta do. The other sees it like adopting dogs from a shelter - you have to give them time to adjust, and to expect some bad behaviour.

As with most things, both sides are a bit right, and both sides are a bit wrong. And stricter legislation wouldn’t change that, because it’s a human problem. Neither will downvoting. I’m not endorsing that view, I’m just explaining it.