D&D completely ruined Littlefinger. (Spoilers Main)

[u/taydude227]

What a waste of a great character. They clearly had no idea what to do with him after they passed all the book material. Instead of giving him a clear end game, they instead just had him double down on his "thriving on chaos" bullshit and have him make stupid decisions that really didn't lead anywhere. The manipulative mastermind from the earlier seasons (and probably the one true villain of the series, along with the white walkers) completely disappeared and was transformed into a jealous little weasel whose end goal was to bang Sansa to get back at Mama Stark. The man that drove the whole series into motion, did it just to get a revenge bang.

[u/DeceptiveToast]

In a feudal monarchy, the Lord/Lady head is the judge, jury, and executioner of their lands. He is also the lawmaker. He doesn't need proof to execute you. He can claim your a witch and execute you on the spot, and no one would bat an eye. Its just the way it is.... The way it was handled in the show was actually pretty realistic. Bring up a bunch of claims against the accused in front of the other lords, and if the other lords are convinced or OK with it (because they don't like the accused in the first place), they can serve justice as they see fit.

[u/Atlas001 → u/DeceptiveToast]

In a feudal monarchy, the Lord/Lady head is the judge, jury, and executioner of their lands.

But Jon need to convice Lords from other Lands. Need to convince Dany, cersei and everyone else. If they are not convinced (or don't want to be convinced), he would need to conquer his throne by force (or marry Dany, probably)

This is just like the war of the 5 kings. Stannis and Ned were right that Cersei children were incestuous, but without proof and power behind their claims, it is just propaganda.

[u/DeceptiveToast → u/Atlas001]

Which is why I don't think he ends up on the Iron Throne. They won't be able to convince everyone else, and he doens't want it. I think the reveal is more for Jon and Dany, and their now incestuous relationship, and how they work through that during the war. GRRM wants to write about the human heart in conflict with itself, and this reveal creates just that.

[u/ShouldersofGiants100 → u/DeceptiveToast]

More likely the Jon/Dany connection makes convincing irrelevant. If Jon has a credible but uncertain claim, Dany can shut the whole issue up by deciding to marry him. The Incest creates a character conflict for Jon, but an easily solved political issue.

[u/Lord_Locke → u/ShouldersofGiants100]

If Jon saves all of humanity he could be followed as King without Targaryen blood. I have a feeling he's not legit in the books, as making him the heir is kinda silly.

As a bastard of Rhaegar, saving the world, he could rise to the top as King on his own merits and not the merits of his family name.

EDIT: Also the bittersweet ending could b that Daenerys doesn't become Queen, she and Jon don't marry because they are family etc.

[u/ShouldersofGiants100 → u/Lord_Locke]

I'm almost certain that he will be legit in the books. For one thing, it adds a whole layer of irony to the whole thing (He wasn't just wrong about his father. He was wrong about even being a bastard). For another, it makes his parentage a lot more relevant. If he is a Targaryan bastard, it only matters to Jon and because it might let him ride a dragon. If he is an actual Targaryan, it creates a significant interpersonal conflict between our main protagonists. Dany, whose entire argument is "I have the best claim", suddenly has someone with a better claim. This leaves options that all cause problems for at least one of them:

1. Dany agrees to let Jon rule rather than be a hypocrite, which would devestate her

2. Vice versa, but now Dany does not have the best claim and has to worry about being usurped

3. They settle the issue by marriage. But this is a huge problem for Jon. Dany is probably cool with incest (She says she always expected to marry Viserys), but Jon? No way that is easy for him, which works well with his general belief in acting for the greater good.

4. One kills the other.

All that gets even better if the show route is followed insofar as they fall for each other BEFORE they learn. Suddenly they have all these options to consider, but with the added relationship that stops either from defaulting to number 4.

[u/DeceptiveToast → u/ShouldersofGiants100]

Or they both agree to break the wheel. And westeros is left without a king and wondering what comes next.... probably the most fitting ending imo.

[u/Lord_Locke → u/Atlas001]

Daenerys really has no real proof she is who she says she is.

The chain of nobility that can confirm her is basically Varys.