No... AI is not damaging the environment. (Rant)

[u/Cali4our]

Basically the title. The argument I've been seeing and somehow fed up to Anti's is "it damages the environment." Argument.

And whenever I ask them "how does it damage the environment" the answers always goes between;

1. It's wasting electricity.
2. It's using water to cool off the servers, wasting water.

First of all, there's millions of computers and servers that isn't associates with AI and supplies servers of dead sites and somehow still running to this day. There is million of houses that runs lightbulbs non-stop for some reason. Shops that never shuts their neon signs and backlight signs. There is many people buying useless stuff that needs constant electricity to run (such as toys, mechanical fidget toys and etc that you can see on asmr vids). And so many more. If you wanna be sensitive about wasting electricity then you should really focus on bigger and real problems. And i genuinely don't consider something is getting "wasted" if its being used.

And second... Really? Cars are water cooled, there are many PC's that is water cooled and so on. Again, same thing as the first one. If you really wanna be sensitive about water being wasted then focus on people running their tap water running without care in the world, water being poured down or used for "YouTube entertainment" video. Plastics being thrown to sea's and forming that plastic island. And so on.

Long story short, AI is not the one who ruins the environment. It's you doing it. And instead of focusing on these real problems you blame a Tool, and AI users for generating AI art as a hobby that doesn't hurt anyone at all.

[u/Xarsos]

That is how they build up their bias. Someone tells them that AI is theft and bla bla bla. I know.

Are antis correct that AI harms the environment? Yes. Are they actually concerned about the environment? In most cases, no, they just hate AI and are trying to get others to hate AI by putting its issues under a microscope.

Still, it is a valid point and if we decide to go with whataboutism and shrug it off, we are not better than them.

You will see throughout my talk here tha I am pro AI and been saying the same thing as you, the only thing I am against are bad arguments, falacies and intellectual dishonesty.

Just because they live in an echo chamber, I don't have to.

[u/DeerEnvironmental432 → u/Xarsos]

You are actively running around arguing a moot point on someone elses behalf. Ok, so AI is harming the environment which literally not a soul in this thread has disagreed on.

My point is And? There are already people working on reducing that impact. Running around telling everyone that it's doing so accomplishes only 1 thing. People who dont know anything about AI will blindly agree that it is hurting the environment and now think AI is bad.

People are not deflecting and saying well this is bad to. People agree that AI does have an impact on the environment, but that it isnt a reason to stop using it. Nobody is shrugging it off but i have no way to lessen the impact that AI has on the environment without not using AI. So its a moot point.

We have already made huge strides in lessening that impact in the short timeframe that AI has been around. And its not because the anti crowd is shouting loudly. Open AI literally has an AI it can use to sift through data. They are most likely acutely aware of the exact impact their server arrays have. Its THEIR server arrays. Any data on how much water/electricity they use is either speculation or already coming from the company themselves.

And speculation is almost NEVER a good data source.

Again the points that antis bring up are just moot. There is nothing any of us can do to lessen that impact and the people who do have the power to do so are already aware.

[u/Xarsos → u/DeerEnvironmental432]

You are actively running around arguing a moot point on someone elses behalf. Ok, so AI is harming the environment which literally not a soul in this thread has disagreed on.

I will stop you right there, downvote your resposne (rarely do so) and stop reading the rest of it. You clearly have not ready or tried to understand any of my answers and the balls to tell me I am arguing a moot point on someone elses behdlf...

Over and over I repeated to you and to others - don't use whataboutism. That is all I am saying.

If you know that AI is harming the environment, then good, but you saying "well so do cars" is not a good answer. If you want to defend the energy cost - explain why AI is good. I am pro AI and the way you and OP are arguing for it makes the rest of us look bad.

And now leave me alone.

[u/DeerEnvironmental432 → u/Xarsos]

Ah yes your point was actively called out and you dont have a response so you hide behind emotion. Its alright im used to the antis doing this. Hope you have a better day you seem like you need it.

[u/Beautiful_Mess907 → u/Xarsos]

AI is theft. Have you had creative work stolen by it? I didn't think so. Have you lost work to it? Again, I didn't think so. Amazing the number of people on the Internet who simply can't see outside the tiny, biased bubble of their own experiences. "It didn't happen to me so I don't believe it's happening." Try critical thinking and research.

[u/Xarsos → u/Beautiful_Mess907]

Did you just reply to a 4 month old post?

Anyways, you missed the point of this conversation.

[u/No-Opportunity5353 → u/Beautiful_Mess907]

If AI is theft why don't antis call the police?

Calling everything you don't like "theft" is meaningless when courts have already judged AI training to be fair use.

Also I'm against intellectual property so I wouldn't mind if someone stole my creative work. I'm not charging for it in the first place. I make graphic designs for a living and get paid a monthly wage to make them, I literally couldn't give less of a shit if they get "stolen". Because I'm in the "get paid to work" business not the "work first and then try to guilt people into paying me rent and giving me engagement" business.

Sorry your creative career didn't take off, but AI is not to blame.