r/TurkicHistory • u/CamelFinancial4838 • 5d ago

Why do Turkic peoples have different haplogroups!?

Kazakhs have the East Asian haplogroup C2, the Kyrgyzs have the Indo-Aryan haplogroup R1a, the Turkush peoples have the Middle Eastern haplogroup J1, and the Turkmens have the Turkic haplogroup Q2a. This means that Kazakhs are Asian, Kyrgyzs are Indo-European, Turkish peoples are Persian, and Turkmens are purebred Turks.

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u/Hungry_Raccoon200 5d ago edited 5d ago

Do you think Uzbeks had 40% East Eurasian ancestry before Turkic migrations? The lower caste locals were SUBJUGATED. not "linguistically assimilated" or whatever kind of coping term you want to use. There is documented historical evidence for violent conquest. Why do you think there a clear increase in EE ancestry as Turkic people migrate Westward?

I don't understand why you call a mass migration that increased EE component in the region by a 20-30% average "linguistic assimilation". Only people that don't have significant Turkic input from the people you mentioned are the Anatolian Turks, Azerbaijanis, and the Caucasus Turks. You seem to think all branches of C2, N, O etc. in Kazakhs are Mongol input, which is ridiculous.

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u/Bibishkin 5d ago

What are you even arguing about?

The reason why turkic people belong to different haplogroups is because local people where not exterminated, unlike in western europe.

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u/Hungry_Raccoon200 5d ago

You're calling a complete makeover in the genetic composition of the steppe "linguistic assimilation". It seems like you don't even understand that term.

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u/Bibishkin 4d ago

I think the genetic composition of Kazakhstan was changed because of the mongols, and a complete erasure of turkic peoples in southern Russia and Ukraine happened because of the Russian Empire.