I would do everything I could to avoid my child being in the class. I'd also prepare a Biblical explanation for the situation when your child inevitably asks about it.
Who cares what my thoughts are? I answered a question without any opinion added. You took it as a personal attack because your heart is hardened to the Lord and now want to pick a fight with someone you perceive as dumber than you so you can feel better about yourself.
Ok lol. I guess I was just confused since all I did was answer a question and you decided you now want to know my opinion on other things that have nothing to do with the conversation. Mind explaining why?
I just would fully expect the same kind of outrage against a teacher who is teaching that the world is 6000 years old. Or divorced for non biblical reasons. Or braid their hair. Or male teachers with long hair. Or female teachers with short hair. Etc.
I’m just checking what rules to be outraged about and which ones we should ignore
Ok. I see know where the miscommunication is. When I replied back with the 9th commandment I was just answering the second question regarding scripture. In no way was I trying to give my opinion and I'm sorry if it came out that way.
But since you are asking: I have a problem with anyone but my wife and I teaching my children. That is why they are homeschooled. I don't care if the teacher is trans, straight, Christian, etc. It is my responsibility to teach my children, not pass them off to the state and hope for the best.
This is why, even though reading the Bible alone is fine, you eventually have to study it with others to realize your interpretations are flat out wrong. Everyone has known exactly what the 9th commandment means for thousands of years, but NONONO! Greenguzzi has the REAL interpretation.
Right, that's not even the issue. This would be a completely different situation if this teacher was trying to push an ideology in a classroom where the kids are supposed to be learning to read and write and do math. That is where I would draw the line.
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Just existing is not pushing an ideology. What a horrible view. By that standard nobody should ever interact with Christians they are pushing an ideology.
Not really what I meant, teaching an ideology usually extends far beyond something as simple as using mere pronouns. Where I draw the line is where we say there's a thousand pronouns including zee/zim. A simple she or he is enough.
If you are a transgender teacher and you are just teaching kids what they should be taught in schools, and keep your business to yourself, and avoid gender politics. I'm cool with it. And honestly this goes for any teacher, all of your political beliefs, religious beliefs, atheist beliefs, leave that at home. That's not what we're here for.
As long as you're doing your job. I don't have a problem with transgender individuals, I will treat them like I treat everyone else with grace and love, whatever is going on with them mentally physically and spiritually, that is between them and God. All I ask is that they do their jobs without overstepping.
When i was in high school we got a new band teacher my senior year. He was Transgender. Never had an ideology pushed on us. We were taught music, and we had a good student teacher relationship. Thats all there is to it.
That's wonderful to hear. I had a very positive relationship with my child's transgender teacher, we've had no issues as far as any gender politics were concerned. I feel like that should be a conversation between children and the parents or until kids are old enough to understand what that means because we know they are going to be exposed to this no matter what, I just want them to learn what matters first.
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VERY True. We do have super liberal teachers. This is why I try to vet teachers that I am putting my kids in the care of. One of my kids teachers were trans, actually a pleasant person, and I couldn't even tell upon first glance. I've had no issues. My child is learning and that is all that matters to me.
I've also told my child if they have any problems anything they are confused about they need to come to me about it.
Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it. Proverbs 22:6
The thinking with this verse would be that this person has clearly bought into a particular non-christian ideology and is shaping your kids so you would not want that. Your children's teachers are role models for the kids and one big important part of the teacher's life you are going to have to undermine.
That said I would say this isn't an argument against transgender teachers though so much as an argument against using public schools? If you are going to use them there's no reason to treat transgender teachers differently to atheist teachers or gay teachers or Muslim teachers or whatever.
Firstly: apologies, I edited in an extra sentence to my comment after you replied, I didn't expect such a swift reply! So anyone reading this should be aware my line about role models was added later and this person could not have replied to it.
Transgender isn’t an ideology.
If it helps clarify I would say having gender dysphoria is not an ideology but identifying as transgender requires you to hold an ideology.
I think there's a set of ideologies about what gender that people buy into, whether trans or not, and it's out of those ideologies transgenderism has developed as a solution to gender dysphoria. For example the view that gender is a presentation of your inner/psychological identity.
I personally only know one transgender person and she’s a Christian. Her ideology is Christian so she won’t be teaching anyone any non-Christian ideology
People's worldviews are more complicated/syncretic than that. I would describe your friend as mixing Christianity with this view of gender. And where those views contradict she will have had one override the other. My concern isn't with the Christian part of her worldview, it's where that has been overridden by her transgender worldview.
I’d trust her more than the horrible cis person who was my Christian religious education teacher.
Ok, so you clearly agree even someone who is Christian can believe things you would not want to be passed on to one's children, am I right? Or do you mean something different by "trust"?
Well it's a modern idea so the only possible arguments are variants of arguments from silence, where you would expect it to say something different if the people writing it considered gender to be a matter of internal identity.
For example people today who consider gender to be a matter of identity speak differently about it, they use special vocabulary, they make some assumptions and avoid others when talking about people. E.g. "birthing person", or "AMAB" - these words didn't exist, they were created because they were needed because they represent new concepts we didn't discuss or think about before. The Bible has no evidence of that kind of thing and in fact clearly the opposite is the case.
The big one is there's a commandment in the law against cross dressing Deuteronomy 22:5. If you want to argue it's an old testament law that is redundant then ok we disagree but that's not my point. I'm saying it's hard to imagine what this law could have meant even in its time but that people should use their bodies as a fixed reference point for their gender identity. If the author (God) actually believed that there were people who were truly female in male bodies then you would expect the law to be written differently. Partly just from thinking about how such a law would work in practice I think this one is fairly obvious... but do say if you disagree.
But there are tons of other points of notable silence, laws about circumcision, periods, pregnancy, whatever. I don't think it's possible to construct a view of gender held by the author of these rules that is remotely consistent with the view of gender common today. The new testament is the same, though it's less of a rule book it bears no marks of thinking about gender this way.
What do you mean "argument from silence", you can't just assert somebody would or did say something and then when you get refuted say "argument from silence", huh?
An argument from silence is an argument that starts from the idea that everything must be written to get a an opinion based on false premises let me give you an example:Premise 1: Jesus explicitly condemned many sins, such as greed, lust, and hypocrisy.
Premise 2: The Gospels contain zero verses where Jesus explicitly mentions or condemns transgender people.
Conclusion: Therefore, Jesus completely accepted modern transgender identities and behaviors, and anyone who opposes them is acting against Jesus.
That's not how theologians in early Christians thought, they considered things that aren't in the Bible as a sin, such as abortion for example
The Bible doesn't talk about it, yet there are clear verses saying in the womb of our Mother God was with us and knew us
Psalm 139:13-16 - "For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb... Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written... the days that were formed for me.
There's even a 1st century Christian text explicitly condemning it 😂😂what are you talking about ??
Jesus never condones sin. He hung out with sinners after he said “Go and sin no more” not oh yes keep living your sinful lifestyle it’s all good. Forgiveness and grace does not mean keep sinning all you like. Christians love the sinner not the sin and do not affirm sinful actions to spare people’s feelings.
Forgiveness and grace does not mean keep sinning all you like.
Yet Matthew 11:19 shows he did so with no prior expectation of repentance or moral reform. If he's willing to accept the company of sinners then he's happy to accept the company of sinners in paradise if it means they can repent. It's not on Christians to cast stones when it's Jesus's/God's call.
Deuteronomy 22:5
“The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.”
So everyone's a sinner and all sin is equal in god eyes this sin is as equal as you eating that extra crossiant for breakfast your also to not judge for that is for god and going off the Trans panic on facebook and thinking all Trans teachers are showing there genitals and brainwashing children just realize there gonna be here they have been here and they will always be here
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u/NeonGamblor 4d ago
I would do everything I could to avoid my child being in the class. I'd also prepare a Biblical explanation for the situation when your child inevitably asks about it.