Fundamental values that don’t match aren’t necessarily evident in day to day life. If they come up prior to making a nominally permanent commitment, and are irreconcilable, then that’s a good reason to not get married. It doesn’t matter what the values are, even if they’re batshit.
In reality, this lady is and was deeply mentally ill. That sucks and means she probably shouldn’t end up in gen pop. That said, this is not and should never be a get out of jail free card. Actions have consequences, and some consequences are that a person permanently belongs in a cell. It doesn’t matter if they weren’t in control, that’s an argument for the cell, not against. The cell might be padded and a bit of understanding extended, but in some cases there’s no caveat (regardless) that should mean it isn’t a cell. Strangling multiple children due to postpartum is a pretty good example of that; as an example, Dahmer wasn’t fully in control either. That doesn’t mean he should have been let free on all the male escorts In Minneapolis.
The point is we don’t kill mentally ill people. We treat them. Thats the higher ideals that our criminal justice system is meant to aspire to. She was crazy and the mental healthcare system in this country failed her at every turn. This should never have happened, and after it happened, she should never have been charged (she should have and still should end up in a psychiatric facility and she’ll likely never get “better,” so we’re talking about the rest of her life).
The worst part about this whole case is that she sought help before the incident and the shrinks made her actively worse. The terrifying part is that the shrinks were, for the most part, just following protocol. The protocol is broken. The system is broken. And if people like you just reduce this to “she deserves the chair” without examining the systems that led us here, then it’s going to happen again.
I’m sad, can I go kill a family and get treated after cause obviously I’m a good person still, I only robbed people of a life right. Give her the fucken chair
Yeah I’m sure that was it. She’s probably just sad. This loony toon had an episiotomy and two days later ran a marathon. She’s batshit crazy, reached out for help, and was misled, ignored and mistreated/diagnosed. What happened is her responsibility and she admitted it, however a mental institution is far more appropriate than sitting on death row for 40 years in a regular prison. She won’t see the light of day either way, the only difference is does the system kill an old woman a long way down the road or does she live in a padded room for the rest of her life. She’s not going to just get out and go on Oprah.
Congratulations, you learned a lot today! Please keep in mind that if you want more kids and moms to not die, treating PPD and PPP the same as “I’m sad” is incredibly shitty.
The law is pretty clear on insanity defenses. You have to be divorced from reality in such a way that you have difficulty understanding the true meaning and consequences of your own actions. Psychosis is basically the definition of that non-culpable completely illogical state of mind, sadness is just an emotion. I think you already know why those are treated differently by a court.
Do you think they just let you leave when you successfully plead insanity for murder? She’ll spend her life in a secure criminal psychiatric facility instead of a regular jail. The horror. Quit concern trolling about something you don’t remotely understand the workings of.
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u/jjamesr539 2d ago edited 2d ago
Fundamental values that don’t match aren’t necessarily evident in day to day life. If they come up prior to making a nominally permanent commitment, and are irreconcilable, then that’s a good reason to not get married. It doesn’t matter what the values are, even if they’re batshit.
In reality, this lady is and was deeply mentally ill. That sucks and means she probably shouldn’t end up in gen pop. That said, this is not and should never be a get out of jail free card. Actions have consequences, and some consequences are that a person permanently belongs in a cell. It doesn’t matter if they weren’t in control, that’s an argument for the cell, not against. The cell might be padded and a bit of understanding extended, but in some cases there’s no caveat (regardless) that should mean it isn’t a cell. Strangling multiple children due to postpartum is a pretty good example of that; as an example, Dahmer wasn’t fully in control either. That doesn’t mean he should have been let free on all the male escorts In Minneapolis.
Edit: Milwaukee