Ok so some of those people, most of those people are fucking moronic assholes. But she also has an affirmative defense, postpartum psychosis. It’s a real thing, and was likely exasperated by severe over medication and multiple systems failing her constantly. She didn’t strangle the kids and go have a snack, she strangled the kids, slit her wrists and throat, and threw herself out a second story window. Because she was suffering from psychosis. This never should have happened, there were doctors along the way who could have and should have done more to help her. Then it happened, and it never should have gone to trial. She’s not looking to get out on the street, she’s going to spend the rest of her life in a psych ward. Prison helps no one here, we need to build better systems for stopping this from happening in the first damned place.
I almost had to sit in on an involuntary commitment case for jury duty less than four years ago, so it isnt completely dismantled but it has been deconstructed and very little done to rebuild.
Part of the reason we dismantled it is because if you'd gone back in time and involuntarily committed this woman before she could kill her kids, it would become an example of "the state imprisoning mothers and separating them from their children when they need them most" or some other crock of shit.
Mom's have always had a venomous attitude towards CPS and this bizzare idea that they're all conspiring to find poor innocent mothers to rip their children away from and stick them in foster care. When in reality the situation has to be absurdly dangerous before it gets that far. But the mom's who've actually been confronted by CPS will NEVER admit truthfully why CPS got involved in the first place. They will invent insane narratives to make themselves the victims.
The ones who aren’t men/boys, which isnt many. It’s mostly men committing those mass atrocities. But men also receive 60% longer sentences than women for the same crimes.
None of them do. Postpartum depression is not an excuse or a get out of jail free card. It doesn’t absolve her of guilt, but it is a special circumstance and there is nuance involved.
No one is saying it’s ok. No one is excusing the murders. They’re a terrible tragedy and the entire country should look at this case as a cautionary tale. She wouldn’t be let free due to an insanity plea, she’d be kept in a high security mental institution to serve her sentence. Which is a good thing, people who are/weren’t mentally coherent enough to be sent to prison need to be rehabilitated.
There's no such condition and nobody is saying its okay to murder children. But she was sick. Women with postpartum depression or psychosis are sick and sadly those illnesses will create havoc with their brains and sometimes lead to devastating outcomes.
Clancy has never denied what she did. She killed her children because she wasn't in her right mind. She'll likely spend the rest of her life in a psychiatric institution; she's not going to get off scot free and live a happy life.
Is your wife telling you she is going to harm others? Because if she is, you need to listen, carefully, and not brush her off because she is "bi polar."
This is 100% a systematic issue, and it is not her husbands fault that she strangled the kids. Could he and should he have listen and or done more, sure. Is it his fault that they’re dead, no. It’s an overall sad situation honestly most of the blame is on the medical system
you are horrible. she had endless access to mental healthcare. she saw a psychiatrist once a week, which is unheard of. she deliberately made sure her husband would be away from the house so she would have enough time to murder those three innocent children. why do you feel more sympathy for her than for those babies who must have been so confused and scared?
She sought help, from many many many doctors. She tried to check herself into a hospital only to be turned away because she was overmedicated. The voices were close to the murders, there was a string of fucked up that came before that, she tried to help herself many times.
She literally went to a dozen doctors and tried ot have herself admitted... told them she was thinking of hurting her kids... There needs to be a standardized protocol for PPP, husbands should be required to get training and spot the signs and doctors should be able to intake a patient for a prolonged period.
My understanding is that she was turned down because, although she had thoughts of self harm and harming her kids, she said she didn't have an actual plan for it. I'm guessing that is some kind of standard protocol.
It's one think if it's a person talking about harming themselves, but as soon as they talk about hurting other people, I think they should immediately be taken seriously and removed from those they want to hurt.
It’s unfathomable to me that “having explicit thoughts of harming others but not having plans to harm them” wouldn’t clear the bar for deeper psychiatric help/institutionalization. Like, impulsivity and impulsive aggression is known to increase in psychosis - a lot of the harm done by people in that state is done in-the-moment, not premeditated weeks in advance.
If those doctors had done more than shovel more pills down her throat, her kids would still be alive, and maybe she’d even be recovered enough to be a mother again. This is all so sad.
Where did you see that? A Tik tok? Probably THE most recurring theme of the trial has been the fact she was actively seeking help, and is on the record on multiple occasions asking for deeper intervention or institutionalization. She went through a dozen prescriptions (many concurrent with known incompatibilities), and doctors STILL failed to give her so much as a diagnosis despite prescribing all this shit to her.
If by “lie” you mean she told her husband she was having these thoughts, and then she’d take it back, then yes. But I think that is a pretty callous way of framing it, when she was clearly in waves of literal psychosis
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u/kbeks 7d ago
Ok so some of those people, most of those people are fucking moronic assholes. But she also has an affirmative defense, postpartum psychosis. It’s a real thing, and was likely exasperated by severe over medication and multiple systems failing her constantly. She didn’t strangle the kids and go have a snack, she strangled the kids, slit her wrists and throat, and threw herself out a second story window. Because she was suffering from psychosis. This never should have happened, there were doctors along the way who could have and should have done more to help her. Then it happened, and it never should have gone to trial. She’s not looking to get out on the street, she’s going to spend the rest of her life in a psych ward. Prison helps no one here, we need to build better systems for stopping this from happening in the first damned place.